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Changing West Jerusalem to Jerusalem is a violation of the sanctions mentioned above

Motza is in West Jerusalem, so changing that is a violation of the sanctions. And you shouldn't make any edits at all relevant to the Arab-Israeli conflict at the moment. Doug Weller talk 17:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Doug, what are the rules of using West Jerusalem instead of Jerusalem?

Thank you for introducing me to Musakhan

I shall definitely be making this soon. Doug Weller talk 17:40, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Just made it yesterday, it's terrific. Highly recommended.

Copyright violation at Birzeit University

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ARBPIA violation at Birzeit University, copyright problems and a temporary block

You've been told you shouldn't be making such edits. I'm also concerned about your lack of response to the copyright issues. You know about article talk pages but I'm wondering if you've discovered your own. To ensure that these issues don't continue, I'm giving you an indefinite block. That just means you're blocked until you start responding here and show that you understand the issues of copyright and editing in the area of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Doug Weller talk 11:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I have no idea why this edit is considered a violation. Where can I learn more about ARBPIA? A mentor could help. All I was trying to do is to give a more balanced account of the latest events.

January 2022

Tombah (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Thanks for helping me discover my talk page. But I strongly disagree with the latest change you did to the Birzeit University page. The current description of the latest events in unbalanced, and shows only half of the picture. Memri is not the only site used as reference. Please unblock me and then, suggest corrections to the introduction if needed, instead of deleting it all.

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Request reason:

I didn't mean to cause any damage or disruption to Misplaced Pages. I'm still trying to figure out what was the exact violation I'm accused of, as I wasn't aware of the Talk Page, and didn't see the previous warnings. I sure didn't try to vandalize anything, just expand the Birzeit University to include recent events from various point of views. If there are any rules I can read about ARBPIA, I'd be happy to learn. Please unblock me. I have a lot more to contribute to Misplaced Pages.

Accept reason:

see discussion below. Doug Weller talk 17:41, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Users are not permitted to remove declined unblock requests. Lavalizard101 (talk) 13:12, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

I also note that you are asking where you can learn more about ARBPIA. I can't understand this at all. An "alert" was posted to your talk page on December 27th by User:Huldra. This included the statement "Please note the 30/500 rule; editors must be registered for at least 30 days, and have at least 500 edits in order to edit in the IP (=Israel-Palestine) area, cheers,". You deleted that today as well as User:Diannaa's copyright warning. If you don't understand why this edit is related to the Arab-Israeli conflict then I'm concerned about your ability to edit in the area. The same goes for changing from West Jerusalem to Jerusalem.

But I've got an almost bigger worry. I said you hadn't discovered your talk page and you thanked me for helping you discover it. But I was wrong, you discovered it on January 3rd when you edited it. Doug Weller talk 13:33, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi Doug, let me explain: Today was in fact the first time I learned what user page should look like, after seeing yours and some few others. I learned that most people delete older messages to keep the talk page up to date, and this is why I deleted older messages.

About the Birzeit University edit - Of course I understand how the page is related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but what I don't get is why my edit is considered a violation of the rules. I was trying to be respectful for the two sides and balance the account, as the previous description of it seemed pretty unbalanced. It almost looks like the Israel military stormed the place for no real reason, but there was a real reason behind it, as Palestinian militants held rallies there and called for the continuation of suicide bombings against Israelis (like me). I wish it wasn't true, but the YouTube link I added depicts that perfectly. When I entered the page mentioned by Huldra, I didn't find specific instructions there what is okay and what's not when editing a page related to the conflict, and I still don't get why the Birzeit edit was a violation. I could use a more exact guidance - what are the rules?

As of the talk page - well, that's correct. The last edit you saw is surely me, but it was using my mobile phone, trying to understand what to do with the notification I got. I admit it took me a while to understand the Talk Page dynamics - I thought of the messages as notifications (like in Facebook), not something that should be answered separately. About copyright violations - after reading the copyright violation guide, I understand that what I was doing (changing some wording but still using the general structure used by the original reference) is wrong.

Again, I kindly ask for unblock. As I hope you can see, I have contributed lots of articles to Misplaced Pages in the last two months since I joined. Most are related to Biblical archaeology, Palestinian culinary, world history, religion and more. Please have some good faith in me... that's all I ask (except some clearer instructions for ARBPIA. :)).

Please read my post above this one - I'm not clear what part you don't understand about your restrictions at the moment against editing in the area. You also haven't responded about copyright. Don't forget to sign with 4 tildes, eg ~~~~ Doug Weller talk 10:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

About ARBPIA - do we have a clearer guide, "Do" and "Don't do", about the Israel/Palestinian conflict? Where can I find it? Regarding the copyright issues - truth is I thought that a superficial change of words will suffice, but after reading the guide, I acknowledge my mistake... I understand the two options are: (1) Rewrite the quote completely using my own words; (2) employing quotation. Tombah (talk) 17:35, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

First, before you edit an article that might be in some way related to the conflict, read the top of the talk page. If it mentions discretionary sanctions it may also mention restrictions such was WP:1RR. When you edit an article, make sure you read anything at the top of the edit window. Don't change sourced text unless you have checked the source - editors mess around with the words Israel, Canaan, Palestine and Levant without seeing what the source says - we follow the source. Don't use your own opinions of what something should say, again, we use sources. Make sure you've read WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NPOV. Be civil, but I don't see that as a problem for you. Do you understand my comments on West Jerusalem and why your edit at Birzeit University was related to the conflict? And finally, you should not edit articles related to the subject or sections of articles related to the subject until you have 500 edits. In fact some articles you actually can't edit. Any more questions? Doug Weller talk 14:15, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I've read WP:V, WP:RS and WP:NPOV, thank your for that. Yes, I do understand your comments about Jerusalem and Birzeit, and I promise I won't edit any article related to the Israel-Palestinian conflict until I reach the 500 edits mark. You have my word. About Jerusalem - Full disclosure: I'm living in Jerusalem and personally I'm having trouble with having to specify which part of the city I'm referring to at each point (putting ideology aside, as it is not professional - I naturally don't think that way, especially when describing distances from the city as I did on the Solomon's Temple page regarding the Motza Temple. And we all pay taxes to the same municipal authorities). In any case, if these are the guidelines Misplaced Pages decided to adopt, I'd do everything I can to follow them.
I admit I'm not sure I fully understood the point about my latest edit at Birzeit University: Now, I understand it was a copyright violation, and that Memri isn't considered a reliable source according to Misplaced Pages standards. I do feel I have to stress the point that the video I used as reference is indeed real, and I thought that expanding that paragraph to include the Israeli POV is necessary for assuring the neutrality of the article (I think the current description of recent events present a much Pro-Palestinian POV). So, here's my last question: except the copyright issues, editing the article before reaching 500 edits, and the MEMRI reliability: how could I add the Israeli POV to the article without violating ARBPIA. tombah (talk) 16:47, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I'd say that if an event is significant enough to be included, you need several mainstream sources. But otherwise it would probably have been ok if you had 500 edits. I'm unblocking you now. Doug Weller talk 17:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! tombah (talk) 08:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

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Minor edits

Hi Tom. Please read WP:Minor as isn’t minor. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Doug, I will definitely have a look. Thanks! tombah (talk)

This is not minor either. Selfstudier (talk) 19:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

City of David (historic)

This edit removed "The prevailing theory in mainstream scholarship, is that even if the kings David and Solomon existed, they were monarchs of a tiny backwater." and replaced it with "led some scholars to believe that even if the kings David and Solomon existed, they were chieftains of a tiny backwater.". Edit mistakes can and do occur but when taken together with your edit summary It is incorrect to claim that most scholars today believe that David and Solomon were backwater chieftains; it is hard to see how this edit amounts to anything other than source misrepresentation. The Haaretz source is perfectly clear on the point and in WP we do not alter sources to fit our personal opinions. What one can do is present alternative sourcing that is contradictory. Since you are a relatively new editor I am going to fix the misrepresentation and overlook the lapse on this occasion with every expectation that there will be no recurrence. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 09:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Selfstudier, the true nature of the Kingdom of David and Solomon as described in the Hebrew Bible is one of the most highly contested subjects in today's biblical archeology. I invite you to check out the United Monarchy article, it really explains the debate in great detail, with the different points raised by each side. The Haaretz article brings the story of one scholar from the Tel Aviv University who stands against the prevailing view in that university, which is widely known as "Biblical minimalism". There are many other articles and books that put forward the exactly opposite claim, which is commonly associated with the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, which has been putting forward that claim for years. In fact, in recent years, recent archaeological discoveries such as Khirbet Qeiyafa reinforces the theory put forward by the Hebrew University, which claim that David's kingdom was much larger and stronger than thought to be by biblical minimalists. To sum up, there's no real consensus regarding this issue today. I'll add few more references to the City of David (historic) article so the different views are better represented. tombah (talk) 10:12, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The need is for sources to be accurately represented. Haaretz make the claim directly and I do not see in the article that they attribute that view to Tel Aviv University. The article later mentions a dispute between scholars at Tel Aviv so I suspect matters are not as simple as you say. In fact I have little interest in the ins and outs of this debate just that it was me who added the Haaretz material in the first place as balance for what was in the article at the time and so I noticed your edit. If it is as you say it is, then it should be a straightforward matter to accurately source current material that spells out (the sources need to actually say it) the relative prevalence of different views. I might have a look myself if I get a chance.Selfstudier (talk) 10:30, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

For your work at middle eastern articles. Keep it up! Shrike (talk) 18:18, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages requires attribution

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March 2022

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to assume bad faith when dealing with other editors, as you did at Talk:Al-Khader, you may be blocked from editing. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. Doug Weller talk 12:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

@Doug Weller HI, could you please have a look at my post on your talk page? would really appreciate your answer with how to deal with that cases. I think that recent edits of the Sebastia, Nablus article showcase that the issue best. Tombah (talk) 12:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Looking at that post, I disagree, the first problem at the Sebastia article is that following a revert by one editor, simply reinserting the reverted content with an edit summary that translates to "I'm right" is not the best way to proceed. It is also not correct to bold a place name that is not an alternate name, only a name from ancient times. While you may argue that the other editor was POV in reverting, I don't see his action as being any more POV than your own for the same reason in reverse. Content disputes need to be dealt with at article talk pages in the first instance and should it go beyond a content dispute, then there are procedures for that too. Selfstudier (talk) 12:57, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

You say something like "What do you have against ancient Jewish history?" again I promise you I will report it and ask for a topic ban. You don't get to make implications like that. Read and internalize WP:NPA and WP:AVOIDYOU. Youve already been informed of the discretionary sanctions, further edit-warring or personal attacks will bring an enforcement request. nableezy - 15:12, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Israeli settlements article

Your most recent edit summary is false. The statement "excluding the United States, which has recognized Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem and the Golan Heights" is untrue. Although it is natural for people to hold a POV, I frankly find the pattern of your editing in general to lack objectivity nor is this the first time that you have allowed your personal beliefs to hold sway over sources. If there is a recurrence, I will request a topic ban.

Further, you have applied an unbalanced tag following a consensus against you in the matter of an alternate name for settlements. As the tag states, it is designed to prompt the adding of neglected viewpoints which doesn't apply to the argument you are making, what viewpoint has been neglected? Perhaps you intended some other tag?

I have reverted your recent editing until such time as you can attain a consensus for it in article talk. In general it is a bad idea to make substantive changes to the leads of important IP articles absent such consensus.

Thank you for your attention. Selfstudier (talk) 09:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Selfstudier what makes the aforementioned statement untrue? The United States did in fact recognize Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights. Have a look at United States recognition of the Golan Heights as part of Israel. It almost seems like you accuse me for a lack of objectivity while rejecting the actual facts. Regarding the template, it was already pointed out by another user that this is a case of WP:UNDUE. To be honest, it is starting to feel like a violation of Misplaced Pages:WikiBullying directed personally at my contributions to Misplaced Pages. Tombah (talk) 10:04, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

United States recognition of Jerusalem as capital of Israel suggests at best that you do not understand the material you are editing. Selfstudier (talk) 10:13, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Again, you are personally attacking me instead of explaining how you view things in a constructive and kind way. If this continues, I'm afraid I'll have to ask someone to have a look on this. Tombah (talk) 10:18, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You are also now in breach of the 1R restriction.Selfstudier (talk) 10:19, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Selfstudier,I think you should stop personally attacking Tombah. Let's keep this conversation as constructive as we can. What are your arguments against mentioning the US recognition of the Golan Heights as part of Israel? Eladkarmel (talk) 11:50, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

1R breach

I am doing you the courtesy of waiting for your self revert at the Israeli settlements article, failing which I will report the matter. Here are the relevant diffs.

Revision as of 21:52, 13 March 2022 Added "excluding the United States"

Revision as of 00:07, 14 March 2022 Reverted by Onceinawhile.

Revision as of 08:40, 14 March 2022 Readded.

Revision as of 09:48, 14 March 2022 Reverted by Selfstudier.

Revision as of 10:10, 14 March 2022 Readded.

Selfstudier (talk) 10:56, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Is expanding an article, and adding citations considered a revert? I haven't figured that out, so if that is true, I owe you my apologies. In any case, I do not understand what this is all about - the US recognition of the Golan Heights as an Israeli territory is a fact. I wish you would stop your personal attacks against me. I'm a moment away from reporting that matter. Tombah (talk) 11:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

You have added the material "excluding the United States" three times, twice undoing the actions of other editors inside a 24 hour period. Kindly self revert, I won't ask again.

The separate issue with your editing is your obvious misread of the situation regarding Jerusalem. Recognizing a capital is not a recognition of sovereignty and the US clearly stated so.

Selfstudier (talk) 11:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Jerusalem, this is indeed my bad. The Golan Heights reference was added later as a correction, not as a revert. And again, I ask you to stop attacking me. The language you are using here is extremely aggressive and aubsive. This should stop now. Tombah (talk) 11:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Just self revert as asked Shrike (talk) 14:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Notice of Arbitration Enforcement noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Tombah. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 12:38, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages requires attribution (2nd request)

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Thanks, @DanCherek, I'll make sure I attribute it to the original contributor on next time Tombah (talk) 09:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

DYKs

If you create a new article you may showcase an interesting fact from it on main page through WP:DYK process. If you need help let me know Shrike (talk) 07:19, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

1RR

You've violated the 1RR at Palestinians, kindly self-revert or you may be reported to arbitration enforcement and blocked or topic-banned. Also, this method of repeatedly trying to revert your changes in without consensus is edit-warring, regardless of if you revert once a day or once a week. That is likewise disruptive editing and may be reported to arbitration enforcement. When you make an edit that is reverted the next step is to seek consensus on the talk page, not simply restore your edit. Regardless of the wider editing MO issue, the 1RR at Palestinians should be self-reverted otherwise a report will be made. nableezy - 16:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Nableezy, please tell me, how did I violate 1RR? Not sure I got you. Tombah (talk) 16:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind, not sure how it happened but I didn't see you reverted me earlier. I'm self-reverting... and by the way, what is exactly the issue in dispute? Tombah (talk) 16:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

We can discuss that at Talk:Palestinians further. nableezy - 17:45, 11 April 2022 (UTC)