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Help appreciated

Help of Ukrainian editors is highly appreciated here. Tymek (talk) 03:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Links to years

Not a priority, but linking every year is not encouraged in WP:MOS as far as I recall. Leaving it for now to be gentle with this vast work, but someone might like to tweak out the links down the track. Julia Rossi (talk) 08:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

It looks really good, i do not think the years need to be tweaked.Meatsgains (talk) 03:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Why's it called Market Square?

I've only ever heard it called Rynok Square. Benjamin (talk) 21:17, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 30 October 2023

It has been proposed in this section that Market Square (Lviv) be renamed and moved to Rynok Square.

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Market Square (Lviv)Rynok Square – Market is just the english translation of the word. Benjamin (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Support. Natural disambiguation is preferable per WP:NCDAB.  —Michael Z. 13:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
I do not particularly care but if it gets moved it should be moved to Rynok Square (Lviv), since there are other Rynok Squares. In addition, it would be good to provide some arguments why Rynok Square and not Market Square is the COMMONNAME. We have plenty of examples when the COMMONNAME is in fact a translation, such as Market Square, Wrocław. Ymblanter (talk) 19:28, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
It would only need the disambiguation if there were other articles about Rynok Squares, per WP:D2D.
There’s no COMMONNAME argument about either yet, but the proposed name better serves the WP:CRITERIA and NCDAB.  —Michael Z. 20:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
It should be however an argument about COMMONNAME. It is not ok to consider a move without determining whether the object has a COMMONNAME. Ymblanter (talk) 21:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
I see no evidence presented that it has a single COMMONNAME. That is ok. More input is welcome.  —Michael Z. 03:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
I do not see an evidence that the market square in Lviv is the primary topic. Ymblanter (talk) 21:39, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Well, I can create an article about the Ivano-Frankivsk one, no problem. Ymblanter (talk) 21:40, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose. "Rynok" simply means "market"! Why would we combine a Ukrainian word with an English word like this? It's a weird thing to do and never to be recommended. And it's certainly not the only Rynok around by a long way, so parenthetical disambiguation is still required. Either rename it to its full Ukrainian name (Ploshcha Rynok) or keep as a full English name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
I've only ever heard it called Rynok Square. That's what it's called on Google Maps, on signposts in the city, and that's what all my Ukrainian friends call it when speaking english. The first time I heard it called Market Square was when I looked it up on Misplaced Pages. Also, your claim is false, there is no other article titled Rynok Square. Benjamin (talk) 16:28, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Yes its name means “market.” It is still a proper name, which is attested by the capitalization of Площа Ринок in Ukrainian. It’s quite conventional and in many cases the only acceptable form to use a name with a geographical identifier: river Dnipro not rika Dnipro, Kyiv region not Kyivska oblast, Tarasa Shevchenka Street not vulytsia Tarasa Shevchenka, etcetera. See WP:USEENGLISH, Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use English, and Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Names of classes.  —Michael Z. 17:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Rynok Square is more commonly used.  —Michael Z. 17:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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