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Swimming Bishapod of every day !

"Where did the lilypads go?" :-( bishapod splash! 10:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC).

Hehe, in and out the lilypads, splash splash splash! ! Nice doggie come swim too! bishapod splash! 16:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC).

Requests for adminship and bureaucratship update
No current discussions. Recent RfAs, recent RfBs: (successful, unsuccessful)

Programming wish

Hi Bishonen! General question -- can you point me to the techies who recently allowed us more review on our watchlist? I have a "wish", as my watchlist grows and grows, to be able to sort the list by topic. I would like to be able to call up list A, B, or C - and review activity in those specific areas. Does this sound like others might find it useful too? If you know anyone who is doing programming in this area, please let me know. WBardwin 23:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, W. You're supposed to request stuff like that at Misplaced Pages:Bugzilla. But... I don't quite know how to put this. Perhaps I've just been unlucky. But the fact is, I've taken away the impression that the developers like to give us nifty new features that they come up with themselves... but don't so much like fulfilling requests. At least, any requests that I've made (that's maybe like, uh, one), or that I know of that friends/wikiacquaintances have made, have just, well, been sucked into the Bugzilla and never heard of again. You never get a reply, or learn why your request isn't being entertained. At least that's my experience. It's been a while since I tried, so the nerds may have gotten more gracious, I don't know. Summary: apply at Bugzilla, but don't get your hopes up. Bishonen | talk 23:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for the note -- no hurry about my stuff, usually anyway. I agree that "Bugzilla's" reputation is less than steller. I think I've put in two requests -- apparently into the ozone. I put the note above on your page, on User:JRM's (who I've not seen lately) talk and on Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical). I thought if I spread the idea around, someone might notice. And I know people read your talk page, if only for a smile! As I approach 600 pages on my watch (I know --only 600!), I find I would just really like to look at topics in isolation. For example, lately I've started working on articles on the Canadian/American Fur trade, 1820-1840, and some more distantly related articles as well. If I could sort those into a minor watchlist, I could keep track of what is happening to my most recent efforts. I thought that it would be useful for articles relating to any Wiki-project people belong to as well. Do you personally see a use for this feature? Best.....WBardwin 02:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

People are actually talking about it on the Village pump! Some of the ideas move much further along than mine -- but....... We shall see. WBardwin 05:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. There is really no hurry, just me trying to tweek the status quo as usual. Too bad about JRM. I always found him pleasant, helpful and knowledgable. But, sadly and increasingly, that seems to be the type of editor and administrator that ends up leaving Misplaced Pages. You have to wonder why. I hope something doesn't push you over the edge, Bishonen. But, then, you can always call up Bishzilla!! Best.............WBardwin 01:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... well, I believe JRM left because the wiki time expenditure was messing up RL for him. That was my impression. He kept the faith. I'm the opposite, I have time (currently) but little faith. I don't know if you've noticed how much the project is tipping over right now, from the Indians to the Chiefs, as it were. Well, I dunno, it probably always seemed that way. But I'm disillusioned, yes. Illustrations: this so-called Featured article review of one of my FAs. And this more recent encounter with the Biography Assessment Drive. Not so much fun anymore. I stop putting my stuff on FAC, I protest, many people protest, Geogre protests all the time, but I don't think any of us are getting through. Bishonen | talk 15:39, 21 July 2007 (UTC).

I'm sorry these creatures are hitting you hard. I find you to be an excellent writer and enjoy "your" articles, even if I know nothing about the topic. I've certainly noticed a more restrictive, argumentative environment since my extended absence at the turn of the year. Several things, including article assessment, frantic footnoting and increasingly authoritative templates, are getting under my skin as well. As a member of the biography project, I just placed a comment on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Biography/Assessment (Project is Subjective and Non-productive), but as the assessment trend is Misplaced Pages wide............? I presume that everyone is frantic to prove that Misplaced Pages is accurate and reliable in response to our periodic negative media exposure. But all of these efforts, IMO, are swinging far wide of the mark. I suspect there are many more moderate editors that would agree. How to find them is another matter. Hang in there! WBardwin 19:19, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ice cream

Hi, Bishonen, I promised the monster that I would give you an ice cream if she returned my ice cream maker to me, and she very obligingly did so, damaging my hair rather badly in the process. (Thank goodness I have a hair straightener!) So, I'm keeping my promise, and offer you a chocolate ice cream. And while I'm here, thank you for all the good work you do around here. Although we don't seem to edit the same articles, I see a lot of the posts you make at admin noticeboards and at user talk pages which are on my watchlist. Cheers. ElinorD (talk) 01:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Update: Graphic situation for Bishapod

Hi, Miranda! I wasn't thinking of a banner so much. More an animated version of the portrait on his page. I would love to have an animation where the 'pod moves his tail and flippers. If the movements can suggest he's swimming, that would be even better.

I mean, more like Bunchograpes' animated Bishzillas. They aren't banners, you know? Here are the animated Bishzillas:

And here's the sadly stationary Bishapod:

Bishonen | talk 16:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC).

Okay, I will do this later. Miranda 21:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, bish. I can't do this. :-( Miranda 03:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Try making your request at Misplaced Pages:Graphic_Lab. I am sure that they would like to help. Miranda 21:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's a piss poor effort to be struggling on with. He can't even swim properly, his tail goes one way and his feet go another. Yomangani 00:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Yay! Miranda 00:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Her jaw and gills need to open and close. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 07:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Chocolate sprinkles with that? Yomangani 10:45, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Er... very nice, Yomangani. Thank you. Only... the poddie looks like he'd cross the Channel in about ten minutes with that incredibly forceful leg/flipper paddling. And looks a bit like a torpedo... Do you think you could, uh, impart a slightly gentler movement? Something like Bishzilla's scary blinking? (I'll take the sprinkles, yes, please.) Bishonen | talk 12:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC).

Now approaching the limit of time scheduled for the animation of Bishapod from my life:

16 July 2007 up to 10am: Animate fishapods, 10-2pm: Find cure for cancer 2pm: Coffee...I won't bore you with the rest of the day, it's mostly Nobel prize winning stuff and skateboarding. Yomangani 13:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
That's some very nice work. (Can you find a cure for coffee?) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Cure for coffee? But... coffee is the cure, for many things. "Cure for coffee" doesn't make sense. Confused puppy 14:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice nice Yomangani! Poddie swim! Now Yo-ma-ma animate proto-tetrapod-teddy stuffed toys, let roam free? Then we all have icecram lady's icecream! bishapod splash! 16:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC).

DOWN PEST! Little Yomangani please excuse 'Zilla for creating El Maximo Stupido Sock! Go away Bishapod! bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC).

Bad Faith?

Hi Bishonen. I never accused User:DreamGuy of bad faith. Did you read the entry in AN3RR? I merely wanted to point out that he violated the 3RR (he is also a repeat offender of the rule) in two separate articles which I made edits to. I didn't remove any other User:DreamGuy's comments except for the ones in the entry itself, where they tried to compromise the evidence. I was quite sure that the situation was clearly apparent. On the other hand, you might want to look at my entries on their talk page (which they apparently blanked) and their entries on mine. See the difference? Could anything else be done? Thanks for your help. Best, aNubiSIII 13:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

What.. ? You certainly did. "remove vandalism by User:DreamGuy in their attempt to compromise information in entry " isn't an accusation of bad faith? ? See Misplaced Pages:Vandalism: "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. " Just don't throw the word around, please, especially not in edit summaries, where it can't be removed. Read Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks and Misplaced Pages:Vandalism#What vandalism is not. As for "attempt to compromise information in entry "... do I have to spell it out? Read WP:3RR too, and you'll see that the 3RR rule is counted per article—you can't add up reverts to different articles.

Well, yes, I see the difference. DreamGuy is bluff and gruff and frequently rude, and that's regrettable. At the same time I'm not sure I'd prefer to get the kind of passive aggressive "advice" that you post on his page, especially after I'd asked you to stop. A matter of taste. As for DreamGuy blanking your posts from his page, no, nothing can be done about that, he's entitled to do it. How about you simply stop posting there? That would make everybody happy, it seems to me. He has asked you not to post, and you don't like the results of posting. Also, while I understand that your intentions are good, please make sure you avoid userspace harassment. Regards, Bishonen | talk 14:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC).

Biography Assessment Drive

I am sorry to hear you had a poor experience with the Biography Assessment Drive, and in lieu of your comments, input would be appreciated here for dealing with articles that have "limited" knowledge so that they get a different, if not, fairer consideration when it comes to assessment. --Ozgod 15:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

(Cross-posted from my own talk page.) Hi Bishonen. I've addressed the issues over on the Bio talk page. Your articles have come into the midst of two terrible forces in current WikiProject Biography work: The (very objective) Charybdis of WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive, and the (very subjective) Scylla of the debate on what to do about the hated 11 Easy Steps. Charybdis has no time to be polite in assessing your work and see how you feel about it while Driving through more than 300,000 badly sorted bios. Scylla, meanwhile, is picking at the "Easy Steps" concept, and trying to figure out how to teach utterly uninitiated people how to make proper biographies. You should take neither of these things personally. Your biographies are well-written and researched, but there isn't room for a more elite system of assessment on Misplaced Pages, just room for better articles. Cheers, Yamara 16:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"We're doing things that suck, but we can't stop, because otherwise we wouldn't be doing them." Genius. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:07, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Human civilization in a nutshell! And yet, life still defeats entropy, so far. -- Yamara 22:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Good heavens! Do you work in a DMV? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Alf wonders what Deserted medieval villages have to do with the price of fish(apods)

Smile


Lights has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing! Cheers, Lig hts 00:16, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks, Bishonen. I appreciate that that was a considerable effort on your part and thank for doing it and doing it so well.

I was going to clarify in my evidence section that Anynobody is now Anyeverybody and provide some helpful links as below but it would probably be more helpful if that was in your evidence area so people do not have to skip about (tra-la-la).

Anyeverybody (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Anynobody (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Anyeverybody (talk · contribs · logs)

Anynobody (talk · contribs · logs)

Thanks again --Justanother 19:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose so. I kept having to go to the redirect to get the older contributions, and only about an ångström of the redirect link was visible under the image, so it would perhaps help. Also it would stop people from getting confused about when Anynobody started to edit. Done. Bishonen | talk 21:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC).

Misunderstanding?

Reading your evidence I couldn't help but notice you said that Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Justanother was uncertified. It really was certified: diff which is the main reason why I've felt deleting it was an error this entire time. Honestly if it had not been certified, I would have chalked it up to my inexperience and moved on.

If you have felt this since March that it wasn't, then our basic disagreement is based on a misunderstanding. I'm not saying you have to change your evidence, if you really think I've been screwing up then please keep most of it posted. In case this has been a huge misunderstanding, the golden rule (do unto others etc.) seems to apply. If I were in your shoes I'd like a chance to strike/remove the point about the RFC being uncertified before said editor posts direct evidence of my error.

To be clear, I'm not trying to talk you into changing your opinion nor do I expect anything from you. I don't enjoy pointing out mistakes, or possibly causing embarrassment which is why I'm posting this. Anynobody 23:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

As the diffs in my evidence show, many knowledgeable admins and experienced users pointed out your misunderstanding of the RfC process and the 48-hour rule, even after I myself gave up trying to explain it to you. (That includes Daniel Bryant, the guy who moved the RfC to "approved.") But you always knew better. Feel free to go down that road yet again, Anynobody, but you won't be doing yourself any favor. Bishonen | talk 10:21, 21 July 2007 (UTC).

You've actually never explained how the 48 hour rule applies when it was approved in just under 3 hours, are you starting the 48 hours from when Smee first came to you for help?
Listed: 03:49, 8 March 2007
Approved: 06:50, 8 March 2007.
Daniel Bryant didn't explain it to me either, he gave up after you left a note on his talk page, diff, diff.

It's not that I claim to know better than anyone, the problem I have is that the reasons you cited for deleting it (insufficient attempt for two editors to discuss, and the 48 hour rule) don't make sense; Smee and myself did try to resolve the dispute before going the RfC route and the RfC I posted was uncertified for 2 hours and 59 minutes. Anynobody 20:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I've explained amply and repeatedly; so have others; so does this. Do you recollect my last remark to you on this page in June? The one where I request you not to post on this page any more?Here it is. I accepted your previous post, because it seemed sort of fair that you'd want to comment on my evidence. But that doesn't mean I'm going to be drawn into arguing with you. No, no... been there... Don't post on my page any more, please. Bishonen | talk 21:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC).

additional posts reverted (per above)

Peace.Lsi john 12:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Very cool

I see you have set aside part of your page to showcase my images...how cool is that!...not sure they are good enough to get so much attention though, but certainly appreciated. I made some adjustments to my page there, uploaded some more and will add more as I go through what I have.--MONGO 13:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Love the landscapes and flowers, love the lilypads! Bishonen | talk 14:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC).

Waiting for Bishzilla

Can I please put a userbox on Bishapod's page that says, "Waiting for Bishzilla, Bishzilla will be arriving on (tomorrow's date)?" Please? Miranda 23:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Heheheh. What a good idea. :-) Bishonen | talk 23:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC).

Done Miranda 02:50, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Pod has such fine little boxen ! Bishonen | talk 10:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC).

AWW!! That chipmunk is so CUTE! Miranda 03:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton hygiene issues

Your input on Misplaced Pages:Deletion_review/Log/2007_July_21#Ward_Churchill_misconduct_issues is welcome. Am I in left field? Nandesuka 11:08, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Re "RFAR Piotrus"

I've replied on my talk page. Paul August ☎ 18:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Issues with WP:AGF?

Please don't take it the wrong way, but I really find that some of your statements display your lack of good faith. Why would you call someone condescending over as little as doubting ones judgment in choice of words when a simple point to the policy would have worked just as well without the attack like undertone? I really don't understand your attitude and I wish I could...--Alexia Death 20:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S: Sorry for not bringing my questions here before, instead of taking them up in the AfD. Im not attacking you, just trying to understand--Alexia Death 20:29, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Spot Master Bates

If you don't know Stephen Duck, you maybe should. He was Robert Burns before Robert Burns, but they made a gentleman of him, and I found Leslie Stephens's own biography of him still hanging about in 2004. See, though, if you can spot the truly unfortunate name in the biography. (Poor lady.) Geogre 13:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

"I pronounce it Byg, if you please." --Justanother 14:43, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

"Not An Elk, but Anne Elk, which is to say an Elk named Anne," and not a Big Duck, either. :-) Utgard Loki 15:00, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, at least it was Stephen Duck, not Patrick Gass' granddad. --Justanother 21:41, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You found it, but note that his first was was Ann Duck. Geogre 04:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Guess I'm Uncivil too!

Well, I've now been accused of being uncivil because I disagree with the frantic footnote brigade! What a useful intimidation tactic! I should probably post the achievement on my talk page. However, this may be a way to get other more moderate souls involved in a discussion. If you, and others reading this page, would like to chime in, the issue came up on Talk:Apache and continues with my response to User talk:Corvus coronoides:Your "accusation". It may be futile, but I've always liked tilting at windmills. Best.........WBardwin 19:57, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Wanna tilt at windmills? Say that you are a Scientologist and try to edit Scientology-series articles to conform to core policies here. That is the Master's Series of Quixotic Editing. --Justanother 20:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Confess your sins and repent, (and find a good mentor for 3 months) and all will be forgiven. But you simply must stop your unreasonable demands that your opposition actually follow policy/guidelines. That's simply an outlandish and incivil demand. Peace.Lsi john 21:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks like an old acquaintance of yours is reading this page, W. Pity he didn't focus a bit more on the matter of fact, though (=the inline cites). Bishonen | talk 22:34, 25 July 2007 (UTC).

Save this goat!

File:Goat.gif

someone wants to delete one of my goats (the one above in fact), what can we do, how do we write a fair use rationale. I have just removed the warning template as a start that should fox them for a couple of days. Giano 18:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)