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So, as you may have noticed, I acted on your suggestion and have tried to bring some order to the alternate versions discussion. I see that you have found the discussion atWikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Comics/Character_alternate_version_guidelines. Once we get the old discussions archived, this should work fairly well. We'll just have to make sure people not already involved in the discussion will easily be able to find it. Doczilla (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
The Authority
I noticed you and someone else disagreeing over issues regarding the Midnighter article. While editng Authority articles, you might fix capitalization of The when it's done in the wrong place. See WP:CMC/EG#Capitalization_of_the_word_.22the.22 for what I'm talking about. I've noticed a great deal of inconsistency in whether people write The Authority or the Authority within a sentence (when referring to the team as characters, not when naming the title). Doczilla (talk) 22:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Because, quite frankly, my patience has run out. After about a month of uncivil behavior, Agha Nader decided to post that I was a racist. I have offered him the opportunity to retract his statement and apologize within the next 12 hours. If an apology is not forthcoming, I will escalate the matter. I have tolerated the incivility in the 300 and Persian Gulf articles, and even went along with him submitting wikiquette complaint based on a failed RfC he could not file over 6 months ago. You seem to be able to reach him in a way that I never have. As an admin, you can perhaps advise him that the shit will indeed hit the fan if that apology doesn't arrive in the alloted time. - Arcayne()05:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I have responded to Arcayne's complaint on my talk page . Also, I filled the wikiuette report because it was the next step in dispute resolution. I was unable to report a RfC because it not reached that step yet. However, as you will see on my talk page, Arcayne has made prejudice comments in the past. I merely pointed out his most recent one.--Agha Nader (talk) 06:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I would encourage you to visit Nader's page and see that response, FayssalF, and maybe take a look at the wikiquette complaint as well. Pay particular attention to the diffs he lists, so as to see the context of the comments he attributes to myself and others. I'e made it clear in my reply to his response that further accusations do not constitute an apology, and that the clock is still ticking. Actually, it isn't, as he is aware of the personal attack and apparently isn't considering apologizing. I will allow the full remaining time. He may come to realize that it will only escalate if an apology is not forthcoming. - Arcayne()06:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Ok guys. Thanks for letting me know about that. Well, first, let me tell you both that i've just seen 'the Random Acts of Kindness Barnstars' (Arcayne's userpage) and 'the Original Barnstar' (Agha Nader's userpage). This means that you both are an asset for Misplaced Pages and it's a pity that things are not working great for you. It is true that Nader should have avoided the accusation of racism at your talk page. We just don't fix problems that way. There are plenty of ways to sort issues out and both of you know a lot about that. On the other hand, setting an ultimatum for an apology is inappropriate itself. So what i am suggesting is that you go through formal mediation. If you think that would be a waste of time than you must forget about dealing w/ eachother for at least a period of time until everyone cools down. You may also consider a short break from editing those articles and let third parties help you instead (Misplaced Pages:Third opinion). But before that let's delete User:Agha Nader/RFC/User:Arcayne. I hope this would restore some of good faith assumption to the table for the time being. -- FayssalF - 17:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate that, too. Will Nader also be withdrawing the wikiquette alert he created based out of that report, as no sense deleting the barn door without also deleting the horse that escaped? How about that apology for the accusation for racism, sitting on the 300 page, as well as its removal/striking-through? I set a time limit on the apology, as these sorts of accusations, untended take on a life of their own. If I choose to vigorously defend myself from the disgusting charge of racism, it is because any reasonable and innocent person would do so. So, I ask, is Nader prepared to remove the wikiquette complaint himself as well as offer an apology and retraction of his accusation? - Arcayne()01:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)`
Arcayne, please don't set ultimatums. Agha, could you please retract the wikiquette alert? As for User:Arcayne/busywork 2, i must say "Yes, I believe it doesn't serve for anything except for keeping the situation heated". Regards. -- FayssalF - 17:07, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Broncofreak12321
Sorry Arcayne, I am sorry if i offended you are any of your fellow wikipedians. You are right i am new to wikipedia and i did not mean to put Anakinjmt "down". respectfully yours, broncofreak12321
P.S. send me a message back please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Broncofreak12321 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Aloha. I would request that you step back for a moment. In this edit which you have been discussing with Broncofreak, it's clear he wasn't altering the other editor's post, he was just commenting on his own (see how he signed it?). He is new, and your comments come off a little like biting the newbies. A more proper and polite thing would have been to just refactor his post to the accepted format, and make a note on his page explaining how to use tha talk pages. Mahalo. --Ali'i15:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for seeing that i didn't mean to offend anybody.
Arcayne, I've pondered if doing this is appropriate, but I haven't been able to inhibit myself from doing so. Thank you for doing what you've done here . I've found the repeated personal attacks and accusations by this user, insulting, demeaning and somewhat intimidating. I'm sad to see that this action was necessary and at the same time glad that you were able to take this action properly with respect to WikiPedia policies. I'm hopeful that this user will take a constructive experience out of this and stop resorting to these tactics in the future and realize that civility will take his points much farther and faster than his consistent incivility when faced with disagreements. Would it be proper for me to add my supportive comments on this incident report? If any of what I'm saying or asking here is inappropriate, please feel free to delete this from here. Regards ObserverToSee (talk) 18:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
You can use Special:Log/delete to check the deletion history of any article or file. GFDL edit history is accessible for all articles and images, deleted images and/or previous versions are preserved for those uploaded since mid-2006-or-so. If you ever need access to a deleted image/article edit history, you can ask me or any admin in Category:Misplaced Pages administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles to provide you with a copy (with a few rare exceptions). Oh and I used the Move-to-Commons assistant to quickly transfer your file, since it preserved the GFDL edit history and properly links to the original en.wiki page & author. HTH, ˉˉ╦╩20:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Since both of you might be watching my page, I've a question: when an image is deleted, isn't a bot message generated to note the impending deletion, or is it left up to the deletor? (This isn't a crack at Anetode, who is pretty accomodating, but a general inquiry). - Arcayne()20:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Copyrighted images are routinely evaluated by patrollers and bots (although sometimes incompetently) who are required to leave a notice for images that have no copyright tags, source information, improper rationales, or are orphaned. WP:IFD/WP:PUI usually handle the rest and free images are routinely transferred to commons and deleted (local copies, that is) without notice. Sometimes people take shortcuts when it comes to vandalism images/copyright infringement or other obvious cases. ˉˉ╦╩20:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Quite well done, but I am almost positive a bunch was cut that could have actually assisted the film's plotline (which was under 2 hours long). Aside from Smith, i felt no real emotional connection to any of the other characters. As well, I was disappointed that descriptors of the infected (apparently there are two kinds) were barely touched on.
On the other hand, I am consistently and continually surprised at Smith's capability to access the immediacy in any role, which is rather stupid of me, considering how well he has handled every role since bad Boys II. - Arcayne()18:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Great to hear that you enjoyed it! I'm definitely looking forward to the film (probably won't get a chance to see the teaser unless it gets online), and especially how the new portrayal of the Joker is received. As for I Am Legend, I read the book not too long ago, and I feel like the film won't really meet expectations, especially the third act, from the looks of the trailers. Will Smith is a decent actor, but I can't help but wonder if a different director could have made it less Hollywoodized. Smith's in Hancock next, and that should be interesting to see. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 18:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Happy Holidays
You got a Christmas card! → → →
Wishing you and yours the very best of the holiday season. May the coming year bring you peace, joy, health and happiness. God bless us, every one! Jeffpw (talk) 20:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I am discussing the issues about the Whitechapel Murders and following on from what KB said. I haven't mentioned anybody's name. As the other editors on the page have pointed out it is you who are conducting a slanging match with DG not me. Are we not allowed to mention a certain stand taken in the debate because it is associated with another editor? If the cap fits wear it. I MENTIONED NOBODY'S NAME. On the wikipedia we are allowed to debate the issues. If someone has an idiosyncratic personal credibility investment in some murders that happened over a hundred that is their problem. To repeat I AM DISCUSSING THE ISSUES not personalities Colin4C (talk) 12:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
If you don't see the incivility of your posts, then i guess there's little more that can be said on the matter.
Is this a cultural thing? In the UK we are noted for our sense of humour and a sense of irony and hyperbole etc. This seems to go completely over the heads of American mods who take everything absolutely literally and get annoyed at anyone cracking a joke which they can't understand. Colin4C (talk) 12:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I went to school at Oxford. I am aware of Britwit, and the differences betwixt it and American humor.
Just to add that I am a published author in the UK - with books published by the Oxford and Cambridge University Press not someone to be kicked around and verbally abused as you seem to delight in doing. I am an academic by training and profession. Look up "Colin Forcey" on google if you don't believe me. If you were a student in my class or if you met me would you be so personally abusive to me? Colin4C (talk) 13:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I would have offered you the same advice were you Billy Shakespeare, though I'd have likely been scolded for not rendering it in iambic pentametre. A mistake is a mistake, and I felt it prudent to give you the observer's point of view. Were I to have kicked you about, you would certainly know the difference. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else who has not treated you with the level of respect I have. Had I not cared,i would have sat back with a bag of popcorn and watched the circus that is likely to ensue presently.
Why do keep misrepresenting my standpoint at JTR as a personal feud between me and DG??? I am just talking common sense. If DG believed that the sun rose in the west and I held a different view would you think that I was launching a vicious personal attack on him by espousing the opposite view. At university we have robust discussions on the ISSUES. We don't decide not to have a discussion because someone has a well known pet theory and might burst into tears if it is attacked. I was interested in JTR long before I knew Dreamguy and am not going to alter my views of what is obvious common sense to save him from some putative personal trauma. The wikipedia is not about pandering to DG's personal hang ups or being the greatest wikilawyer on the planet it is about KNOWLEDGE. Am I right on that? If I am wrong and the wikipedia is just about using and abusing the wikipedia rules in the most devious ways possible then you had better block me now. I AM NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A WIKILAWYER - wikilawyering is a bloody pathetic, childish piece of stupid bullying. I maintain that COMMON SENSE should be our watchword. At university we don't continually denounce each other for transgressing university regulations WE GET ON WITH THE JOB and try to advance KNOWLEDGE. Colin4C (talk) 14:11, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I would remind you that we are neither in parliament nor in the university classroom. While it is high form to dissemble your opponent in those particular battlefields, such is not the case here. DG always reacts defensively when attacked. I would not offer him any particular shield from the eventual action that gets him banished from out august company forever. You are essentially allowing yourself to be used as a target for those slings and arrows which would be more rightly focused upon his behavior. However, I've mentioned before that if you don't see any fallout from this behavior, there is little I can do.
I would do that, were the rest of wp doing that, but such is not the case.
I was offering you my candid opinion as to how you were flirting with disaster. I offered you advice on how to prevent someone from acting on what appeared to be a fair amount of incivility on your part. I did my good deed by letting you know what could happen. If you choose not to act on it, that is entirely up to you. Fare thee well. - Arcayne()15:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe sometimes I don't adopt a 'bureaucratic language' on the Talk Pages. As a matter of fact I do not have a job as a bureaucrat, a policeman or a lawyer or work for the government. Neither do I spend all day berating 'subordinates' in the office like some typical management fascist. I have an artistic temperament. How I write reflects my personality. Is that a crime on the wikipedia? Maybe you expect that everybody should express themselves in just the same way on the wikipedia, despite coming from diverse countries and backgrounds. Colin4C (talk) 22:12, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I never said you were a danger to the wikipedia, Colin. I just said you were flirting with disaster. I don't think you a bad person at all; had I at all thought so, i would simply watch and see what would likely happen.My comments were based out of my own personal experience. As I said, you don't have to act upon them. I am sorry to have brought the matter up to you at all. Good luck to you. - Arcayne()04:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Just to add with respect to the JTR article that the first person to add the elementary information as to where the bodies of the victims of the Whitechapel Murderer were found was me on 1st January 2007. It seems that none of the longstanding editor(s) had thought of that before. I'm just saying this to counteract the ongoing propaganda on that page which asserts that the article was absolutely perfect before I came along and ruined it for everybody. Following JC, in an ideal world I would wish to 'turn the other cheek' but it seems that 'mud sticks' on the wikipedia. If something is asserted long enough and loud enough even the admins (bless their souls) start to believe it. I find myself in a Catch 22 position: if I reply to constant misrepresentation I am considered to be 'as bad as he is', but if I don't people believe the propaganda, especially if they are newly arrived at the article and don't know the absolute total deviousness of which some people are capable of. I always give people the benefit of the doubt, but if after the twentieth time of this precedure one still finds oneself being traduced and misrepresented and stabbed in the back one adopts a different attitude. Otherwise one becomes a pathetic victim, and whatever else I may be I am not that - and never will be. Colin4C (talk) 11:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I understand your frustration; I sometimes share it. However, you cannot respond in the same way as some stupid git without a lick of personal awareness, or the mud does indeed stick. Either way, my comments have only been designed to help you. if you feel that they were not, I apologize. - Arcayne()13:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
general comment
It usually does not help to insist upon an explicit apology. If one is not offered, just hope for better things in the future--there's no point on carrying on an unsatisfactory exchange about the past. If someone insists on being foolish, the only practical thing to do is to let him--others will understand the situation properly. DGG (talk) 20:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I know you are right. I just kinda expected better from the user, as I've seen that its possible for them to do better, and was disappointed when they repeatedly failed so completely. I appreciate the advice. :) - Arcayne()04:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
In reference to the comparison made between The Blair Witch Project and the segment entitled "The Navidson Record" in the novel House of Leaves, is the novel itself allowed to be used as a source? There are pages in the novel that explicitly explain the documentary-style of TNR in House of Leaves, and similar references to the disintegrated expedition that ends with the death of a character by an unseen force in a space that doesn't follow normal physics, much like the plot of TBWP. I'm new to editing Misplaced Pages, and although I can provide needed pages, I don't know whether a self-reference of this nature is allowed. Dndnerd (talk) 9 AM, 16 Dec. 2007 (Central)
Mediation case
I'll be formatting the discussion page to allow for everyone involved in the dispute to voice their initial opinion. (I'll separate the What's going on subsection into subsections for each user). I'll clarify that on the meditation page itself. CloudNine (talk) 16:29, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Arbcom voting - Oppose for Giano
Just as a point of fact, Giano is not under notice of banning in any way, shape or form. As well, you are voting "per Chick Bowen", who struck his oppose vote several days ago. I am not trying to change your vote, just ensuring you have the necessary facts to make your decision. Risker (talk) 18:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
(EC) I'd think so as well. I mean, I tend to read things through fairly well. A strike-through rather sticks out inthe head as a retraction or negation. I am sorry I couldn't support. You seem like a spiffy, friendly guy, but are a bit too quick with the barb for my idea of ArbCom. Granted, some of the people there would be better off working the grill at a roadside dine (as evidenced by the DreamGuy enforcement complaint), but I expect calm, rational people. Rational you are. Calm you simply ain't. - Arcayne()20:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
That's where the confusion was; the actual vote was stricken, but not the commentary. I also read the noted cites of both the supports and opposes before weighing in. - Arcayne()20:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Giano is calm when calm is necessary, fiery when that is what is needed. Arbcom doesn't need automatons. It needs rational editors who can see logic and reason before it jumps up and bites them in the ass (as it did in the Durova case, for example). Mr Which???20:25, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
(←dent) Who says I am looking for an 'automaton'? I said, "Sometimes, he doesn't play well with others, and the high ground always needs to be taken as an ArbCom member". What you call 'fiery' others call uncivil. Now maybe its just me, but I can be pretty harsh in my edits. I am not proud of it - even when I am exceptionally clever and thoroughly trounce someone in dire need of such. it doesn't fix them and certainly doesn't encourage them to be more constructive; it drives them further away from being better, and they eventually self-destruct. Do I want to work to tone that part of my editing behavior down? Yes. Do I want someone on ArbCom who champions this as a groovy part of their personality? Hell no. ArbCom is supposed to be that Hall of Justice-type joint where things get sorted out calmly, though slowly. Giani is better suited to dragging folk into ArbCom, kicking and screaming. Actually, I just realized that I kinda see Giani as Lobo. Funny, smart and clever, but willing to rip your lungs out and fill them full of second-hand smoke before stuffing them back. - Arcayne()20:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Fred Bauder and Uninvited Company spring immediately to mind as countermands to your thinking on Arbcom. Both allow personal grudges to cloud decision-making, something I don't see Giano doing. That's the larger problem: Arbcom has become an "old boys club" of policy wonks (whether "boys" or "girls"); it sometimes seems that, as a body, they are so navel-gazing that they are of little practical good. Giano would be a necessary breath of life into such an environment. In all honesty, though, it doesn't really matter, even if you were to switch to support. Jimbo wouldn't appoint Giano if he had 80%, and he's made clear his position on him. As Jimbo's appointments are all that really matters, his lifetime status as god-king is the larger problem. Mr Which???20:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Um, okay. I have no real way to respond to much of that, uncited and unsupported as it is. While I think that everyone makes mistakes, its better to try and avoid the mistakes you know are going to happen. If the ArbCom is the old-boys club you repeatedly suggest it is (here and elsewhere), then he would have very little impact on the voting. - Arcayne()20:53, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
reply: Blair Witch edit vs. House of Leaves
That's fine, although I don't really even think the C.H. reference in the same section is close to those same standards either. There's numerous comparisons out there between BWP and HoL; if I get the time I'll find better sources than what I read this morning.
P.S. Some bot left me instructions on how to sign user talk notes, but I'm not quite sure what the heck was going on. What is "four ~"? If you have a moment, I'd love to see a clearer explanation of what the bot told me from an actual human WP admin ;)
I've made some tender little folk upset lately. Any ideas on who the vandal was? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 13:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
No idea. I usually start my morning by filtering Recent changes for User page edits made by anonymous editors. Your page just happened to be one of the most recently hit. --Onorem♠Dil13:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Congrats, Arcayne, you've made my quotes section! Kudos to you. I actually have very high standards, only adding one or two quotes per month. You made me laugh, and your comments will forever be preserved for posterity here. cheers, Keeper | 7620:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
He is pretty good at the witty one-liners, as I have witnessed (and often laughed at - and I mean in a complimentary way, of course... :) --andreasegde (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that, Andreasegde! I bet he might like the link to the Beatles quiz and archive, :)
...and your response on my talkpage made me laugh out loud also. But I won't be adding it, don't want it to look to "Arcayne-ee" ...Cheers, and happy editing. Keeper | 7621:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Doctor Winston O'Boogie (Lennon)
If you feel like putting in some "Citation needed" thingys, it would be most welcome (I'll bet nobody has ever said that before...:) --andreasegde (talk) 21:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope, though someone once called my Mom a whore for using them a lot. My dad ate them. He's like that. it tends to make family gatherings pretty tense, as we always have to count heads to make sure Pop's not out back grilling up one of the kids. All families are dysfunctional, I guess. - Arcayne()21:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Smallville
What do you mean? The only episode that has an article is the pilot, the rest all revert to their respective season pages, because there was nothing but plot information and some random trivia about the episode. BIGNOLE (Contact me)22:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
I think they had some "featured music" lists, but after Matthew, myself and an admin had a discussion about their inclusion it was decided that the individual songs did not have much value for simple inclusion in a list, but that it would be better to write about the use of these pop culture songs on the main page. I have part of season two's production information started in my sandbox, I just haven't finished it yet...been busy with other projecs. BIGNOLE (Contact me)12:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with that series. Sure enough, you'd find a series that doesn't have a fansite for it. I did see this website on the Misplaced Pages page. It appears to have songs for the episodes. Does that help? BIGNOLE (Contact me)19:14, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
It sure does (smiling contentedly). I am also glad that you found it in the external links for the show. I guess that so long as a link to where all that stuff that folk deem crufty is included, it's okay. :) - Arcayne()19:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Cultural?
Arcayne, through our interactions over the last few weeks I have developed a respect for you and your knowledge of WikiPedia community in general.
I saw CloudeNine's response that he would look for clarification at . I went to that link and saw this where you've stated "this is another cultural-type dispute". With all due respect, categorizing this as a "cultural-type dispute" is inaccurate and in some ways insulting to the participants. It also trivializes the issues. You've also stated in a response to another editor: "No, they don't want it mentioned anywhere in the article. Besides, as an alternative name, it does belong in the Lead (perhaps in parentheses, afterthe more widely known name)". This is untrue as "they don't want it mentioned anywhere in the article" implies that all relevant editors want to remove the already existing reference from the article. My assumption of good faith on your part remains, however, I would respectfully ask as to why this has taken place and why you are viewing this as "cultural" which could be interpreted as a tint of what Agha Nader has claimed. I have no doubt at this point that it is not. However an explanation is warranted. Regards ObserverToSee (talk) 16:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I thank you for your detailed response in my talk page. You have certainly provoked additional thoughts on my part and given me an understanding of where your thinking is influenced from. I too have a similar background and thoughts as you do, however, I'm not seeing this particular issue as pathetic and petty. Maybe it's because I'm right in the middle of it. But I see a political agenda that's being pushed where it is being promoted through various ways and means and I have uncomfortable feelings seeing WikiPedia being used to promote it. I'll try to step back and watch for a while and strive to get an understanding from a higher view and distance. Regards ObserverToSee (talk) 16:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your support in my RfA. It was definitely a dramatic debate! I paid close attention to everything that was said, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I'm taking things slowly for now, partially because it's the holiday season and there are plenty of off-wiki distractions. :) I'm also working my way through the Misplaced Pages:New admin school and double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools. My main goals are to help out with various backlogs, but I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are several more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status! Thanks again, --Elonka10:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Arcayne, this edit on the John Lennon talk page was over the line. Your response to InnocentVictim (who certainly appears to be a sockpuppet of SixString, but I don't care; that's not the point here) does not belong on a John Lennon-focused talk page, and given the content, may not belong on WP anywhere. In general, the various accusations you've made on that page have made the situation worse, not better, and if someone were to ask me which was worse, (A) the edits and sock-puppetry by SixString or (B) your response to it, I'd say (B). If InnocentVictim is a sockpuppet, you can report it to admins and let one follow procedure to have that user blocked or whatever it is they choose to do.
I'm no angel, and I have added things to talk pages that I regret now, so I understand how things like this can happen. IMO, it's time for you to end the dispute or take it to the proper place on WP for dispute resolution. In the meantime, please consider this a polite rebuke from a dis-interested observer, that's how it is intended. John Cardinal (talk) 14:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate you taking the time to write me with your concerns. While I may very well regret this in later years from now, I don't think I said anything that could be interpreted as untrue or inaccurate. I will concede that it didn't belong in the John Lennon page. I will submit that SixString and all of his puppetry doesn't belong there, either. I think what set me off was his contention that he was goingt o edit the article no matter what Misplaced Pages thought, and what little patience I had for the clown evaporated. - Arcayne()14:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays
BIGNOLE (Contact me) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Don't overdo it on the fudge!
I get that you're angry, but this edit crossed the line. Your tone and words are way too hostile, and the threats are going too far. May I suggest that it might be time to back off, step away from the computer, and calm down a bit before you make an edit that you might regret when you're less angry? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 17:07, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Might I ask what you considered to be 'over the line'? Before you answer that, make sure you consider that accusing me of laziness and OWNership in less than 24 hours don't really seem to be all that conducive to politely mince words. - Arcayne()17:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
