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Phi Kappa Phi

Initiated by Angtitimo (talk) 22:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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• Angtitimo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
• Lhakthong (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried.

• See Talk:Phi Kappa Phi. Lhakthong and Angtitimo agreed on 03/10/2009 to bring the contentious issue to arbitration after failing to agree on wording of lead, and continuing, daily edits by Lhakthong of the Phi Kappa Phi article.

Statement by Angtitimo

Dispute was raised by above filing party:

1) Phi Kappa Phi article is protected, but being edited daily by Lhakthong. Please settle dispute over why there is preferential treatment given by admin (unknown to Angtitimo) to Lhakthong who is being allowed to edit a protected or semi-protected article as of 02/29/2009. Lhakthong is editing it daily apparently to market/advertise Phi Kappa Phi; and 2) Improper editing by Lhakthong. Lhakthong continues to edit contentious lead by making the non-neutral, POV, misleading and unqualified "claims" that Phi Kappa Phi is the "largest" and "most selective" all-discipline honor society, and by wording the third and fourth sentences in the lead as "claims" to evade NPOV rule. I have suggested that the third and fourth sentences be qualified to indicate that other similar societies are factually just as large and selective, if not larger or more selective. There is factual and verifiable information I listed in Talk:Phi Kappa Phi to show that claims made by Lhakthong are false and baseless. There is no need to do any OR on the part of anyone because information is available and factual concerning equally very selective honor societies which were reference in Talk Page. Angtitimo (talk) 22:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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• Decline, this is a content dispute, which we don't rule on. WP:MEDCAB might be a better bet. Wizardman 23:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline, per my colleague. — Roger Davies 23:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline. Phi Kappa Phi is protected only from page moves and not from content. No question of violation of protected page policy therefore arises. And per Wizardman. Sam Blacketer (talk) 00:01, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline. Content issue and not much attempt at WP:DR. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:13, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline - content dispute. Consider a third opinion request or even a content-oriented request for comment. I've looked at the talk page of the article as well, and note the interaction is civil and respectful; it appears the key question is the degree of exclusivity of this honour society, and I urge all parties to look for reliable third party sources (i.e., something other than the websites of honour societies, such as books on honour societies) to find a neutral reference source for this information. Risker (talk) 01:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline. As Sam has pointed out, the page is only protect against edits by very new users who are not yet "autoconfirmed". Angtitimo, you have cross the threshold, and should be able to edit the page now. John Vandenberg 02:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline. per all preceding. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:09, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline, per above. Vassyana (talk) 04:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
• Decline, per above. No further advice to add. Carcharoth (talk) 09:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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