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Technate

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merge or delete redundant cruftJQ (talk) 08:06, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Keep, and strong keep. The editor above is going from article to article on related energy/ecomomic issues and the background groups to those issues new and old, and either doing redirects without discussion of making Afd's. This is related to this edit by John Quiggin was reverted he is doing other redirects without discussion also such as here Urbanates (another page redirect without discussion) on related topics. This is noted as problematic in regard to furthering the project regarding information also elsewhere... note here on that subject from Economics project page. An important concept from a notable group. Interesting historic cultural group. Made up of notable people. skip sievert (talk) 17:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete. Non-notable topic which is already discussed in many other articles, see . Johnfos (talk) 18:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete No external third party sources to show notability. Appears to be a neologism invented by one group that is no longer active. LK (talk) 18:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep the word has been in use for 75 years. The Group that coined this term are still, as far as I've looked, active.AdenR (talk) 22:00, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment A visit to the Technocracy Inc website suggests that their only current activity is a newsletter consisting of reprints of MSM items on energy-related topics.
      • Comment. Not so. Either you are uninformed or are putting up false information to influence the discussion negatively. Here is a link to their site, Technocracy. There is a larger problem here also with tandem editors. The same team of tandem editors is deleting related articles to energy economics, and now the Urbanate article also is trying to be removed... Led by user LK, and JQ. L.K. is currently under consideration for being topic banned as to editing economics related articles due to bias, topic ban?, and is wikihounding information related to this article also... note here on that subject --> from Economics project page. Also Noted Johnphos goes from page to page with this tandem edit group. This points out the larger problem of tandem mainstream editors wanting to get rid of issues they are not in agreement with. User Johnphos's wikistalking repeated behavior. skip sievert (talk) 01:39, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Comment: @ John Quiggin, if you want to know whether Technocracy still exists or whether there are still Technocrats out there... well you are talking to two right now. There are numerous websites dedicated to Technocracy besides the official site, at least two of them have active discussion groups with many members. So sorry to disappoint you, but the movement does still exist, you may not like it or be interested in it, but some are and we're here too. BTW, I'm not getting involved in any fight that may be going on between you and Skip, I don't know anything about that and have been there before and don't wish to get involved again, if possible. --Hibernian (talk) 03:28, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep: I've been informed that I should now comment here too. Again this deletion request is exactly the same as the one that previously failed, and I guess I'll use the same arguments for it as I did then. Firstly, I don't think anyone would doubt that the Technocracy Movement was and remains a notable topic for wikipedia. Bearing that in mind, the idea of a Technate was and is the main aim and goal of that movement, there have been hundreds of thousands of people who will have been supporters of (or at least familiar with) the idea in the early to mid 20th century, and today there are still few thousand who are dedicated to it. The term and idea will be about 76-77 years old now, so it can hardly be considered a neologism. Is it a popular and widely discussed idea? Not now no, but once, yes it was. As I said on the Urbanate discussion, even if Technocracy no longer existed (which is does still), even then the idea would still be of note to historians and scholars, etc. And yes it is hard to find references to the idea on the Internet (other than what the Technocracy groups have put up about it), for the simple fact that this was a concept from well before the net, dig up some old newspapers and magazines from the 1930s and 40s and you will find it, it was fairly significant idea for some time. But no that won't show up on any Googling, so by going on that basis it would seem the idea never existed, but it most definitely did. Again, just because an idea is not popular or widely known today doesn't mean it has no value to an encyclopaedia. --Hibernian (talk) 03:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Skip, I would kindly ask you to remove your personal attack and baseless accusations. I never had have any contact with L.K. or J.Q., and never discussed with Johnfos you or your edits. This is irrelevant, but my last contact with Johnfos was several months ago about creation of the article about the Gujarat solar park. Your accusation about tandem edit is a nonsense and your disruptive editorial behavior does not help to achieve the aim of Misplaced Pages. As of canvassing, I think that as of a member of the WP:Energy, you should knews that there is an automatic notice on the project website about proposed deletions of articles tagged with the project banner. So, once again, please remove your baseless accusations and personal attack. Beagel (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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