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Regarding Changes to Dr. P.S. Timiras Wiki Pages

Hello,

Please tell me why the additions to the Dr. P.S. Timiras Wiki Page are being removed, when they are fully valid and there are very good references such a peer reviewed journals and University web sites? I list the peer reviewed publications that support the information that the use CRUSIO continues to remove is shown below. I await your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bondiveres (talk • contribs) 00:58, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

First thing's first. I've restored the edit (with one modification). The edits in question violated Manual of Style guidelines regarding bolding the first instance of the article's subject. For those of us that sift through thousands of edits a day, that's a little bit of a red flag. I've made the change so that the article's subject is bolded while the information you added is also included. Next up, it's very helpful to provide a link to the article in question when you post on someone's talk page. You can post a link to a wikipedia article by simply encasing the article's title in double brackets. For example, ] links to this. The edits you mentioned were made about 250 edits ago for me. Didn't recall them off the top of my head. Hope this clears everything up. Feel free to post here if you have further questions.--Gnowor_C 01:07, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The name of the system that was developed in Dr. Timiras lab is called the Automated Imaging Microscope System and not the automated tissue image analysis system, that the user CRUSIO continues to call it. Please refer to the PUBMED publication at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15990721?dopt=AbstractPlus to verify the name in the 4th sentence of the Abstract. Please verify the information related to CREA at the CREA web site http://crea.berkeley.edu/paul_segall_profile.shtml and http://crea.berkeley.edu/crea.shtml. I would be very happy to discuss these references with you and information with you.

As I mentioned, I tried to fix the page. Can you check to see if it was just fixed? The page says AIMS right now.--Gnowor_C 01:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The page looks good. Thank you. BV

P.S. How do I sign my name with a date time stamp as is required, after I make an addition? Is there a command to do this?

To sign your username and date/time, simple type ~~~~ at the end of your comment. Thanks for your contributions!--Gnowor_C 01:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. BV Bondiveres (talk) 02:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Hi Gnowor, I'm going to revert your last edit to the Timiras article. The reasons for this are the following: 1/ you (inadvertently, I am sure) removed the persondata that I had added. 2/ The article is about Timiras, not Garan. The article on Steven A. Garan was deleted after an AfD and the article on the Automated Imaging Microscope System was redirected to automated tissue image analysis after another AfD. The anonymous IP (who got blocked yesterday for repeated vandalism) and Bondiveres (a successor account for User:Sgaran that has been blocked for socking and vandalism in relation to this case before) are using the Timiras article as a backdoor to restore that self-promoting content. Hope this explains. Happy editing! --Crusio (talk) 06:53, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries on the revert, Crusio. I didn't know of this background. I appreciate you taking the time to bring me up to speed. Have a great day!--Gnowor_C 19:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Gnowor

Wim Crusio has no regard for the facts that were quite clearly presented. Wim Crusio fails to address the facts and introduces incorrect information. Wim Crusio also removed the reference to Paul Segall the co-founder of CREA. As I mentioned before all the changes that Crusio removed are well referenced and are relevant. Wim Crusio's actions all started when he failed to redirect the wiki entry Phenomics to Phenotype in April 27, 2010, please look at the edit log for Phenomics to verify the dates and actions. After Wim Crusio lost the "battle" to redirect Phenomics to Phenotype, he took a sudden interest in deleting/redirecting/removing content from the following entries: Automated Imaging Microscope System, Paola_S._Timiras, Aging Research Centre. Please do not allow him to suppress information. I will not edit the Timiras page until I hear from you.

Best Regard. Bondiveres (talk) 07:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Checking response Bondiveres (talk) 19:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for checking in BV. Apparently I had missed the above note from you and Crusio when I checked my messages this morning. I'm responding from my phone right now, so I can't really review two Afd's in depth. I'll look into this further when I get home, but based on the fact that there are already two closed Afds, it looks like concensus has held against you BV. That being said, I will review the Afds and also get you some information on how you could create the desired artciles in your user space so you can perhaps get the Afd overturned, if the article's subjects are notable. Don't give up hope. Your contributions are appreciated.--Gnowor_C 19:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks again for your reply. I am not too concerned about the articles that CRUSIO deleted. It appears to be rather subjective if they appear or do not appear. I would like to focus your attention on the corrections and additions to the Paola S. Timiras, that CRUSIO removed, specifically the addition of the entry for Paul Segall and the correction to the name of the imaging system that was developed and used in the Timiras lab. Please look at the supporting information and let me know if it is lacking in anyway and if so, what else can be added to allow this information to be on the Timiras site.

P.S. If you would like to look into the items that CRUSIO deleted please do so, they are listed above.

Cheers. Bondiveres (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

My final thoughts regarding... well, many things

Okay. I think I'm as close to up to speed as any other law student can be at this point. (Especially one who took Astronomy for his physical science requirement in undergrad).

BV - I want to make it clear that I believe that you think you're doing the right thing. You think that the people that you're trying to add to Paola S. Timiras deserve credit for their work. I entirely agree. I'm just not certain that Misplaced Pages is the right place for it. As it seems that what (if anything) is notable is the work (and through that, the people are notable). Please note, I use notable in the technical sense that it's used on Misplaced Pages. Personally, outside of the web that is Misplaced Pages, I think everyone reading this discussion is more notable than this. It does appear though that you're trying to get around the system the community has built in order to get credit to the people in question. Additionally, by creating these articles, you may be defying standard the community has built regarding conflicts of interest.

If you wish to proceed, I think the best place to do so would be within your user space. You can learn how to create the article here. (Point 6 talks about making the page in your user space. In order for that article to be moved to the encyclopedia, it will need to meet notability standards, as well as cite reliable sources. I'd guess that the best article to create would be one regarding AIMS, as that may be the most notable project. Regardless, you'll need to find secondary material reviewing AIMS, or commenting on the person that you're creating an article on. If you'd like help creating an article in your user space, I'm happy to assist.

Crusio - First off, let me thank you again for bringing me up to speed on this issue. When I made the initial edits, it was something I gave about half a second of thought to, as I do most of my edits which are done only to fight vandals on Huggle. I didn't have the whole picture, and I appreciate you bringing the history to my attention. Also, thank you for the courteous note when you reverted my edit. It's greatly appreciated.

Now I'm going to do a bit of speculating and it's probably entirely off base. It seems that you and BV have quite a bit of history, and I'm not sure if all of it is on Misplaced Pages. Regardless, I think that BV may perceive you as having a conflict of interest. Based on your actions, I don't believe that one exists, but I can see how the appearance might be there. As such, if it would be helpful, feel free to come to me and ask for a second opinion on BV's edits, if you believe they're out of hand. I found all of your arguments in both AfDs and in our discussions quite convincing. I intend offer only to apply to edits of subject matter other than subjects already covered. I think consensus has been established on BV's edits to Paola S. Timiras as well as articles on that subject matter. Reverting any edits by any user (BV or someone else) would simply be in line with consensus.

I don't think coming to me would be considered meat-puppetry. You can cite this page for confirmation of that. I hope this doesn't seem too forward, as I realize you're much more experienced than I. You're welcome to do whatever you want, but given the accusations by BV against you, I wanted to offer my assistance to avoid even the appearance of impropriety. I hope you see the good faith with which I extend this offer.

Regarding edits to articles - The information that you've added BV all centers around a couple of scientists and AIMS. If you continue to try to add this information to existing articles without establishing it's notability or verifiability, I suspect you'll meet continued resistance. If you try to make the page in your user space, I think you'll have more success. If you make other contributions to wikipedia that meet community standards, I think you'll start to find that the community can be rather supportive. I've tried to be supportive since my involvement in this issue which, again, started with a half-second's thought on one article. If Crusio's willing, I also think getting his feedback on your article in progress in your user space would be quite valuable as he's much more knowledgeable about the subject matter than I. Also, once you establish the notability of AIMS by an article moved from your userspace to the main encyclopedia, editing Paola S. Timiras to link to that new article would most likely be entirely appropriate.

I'm sure you're disappointed with my view on the situation, BV, but I hope it doesn't discourage you. Misplaced Pages's best article's weren't made in a day. Put in a little time on an article, and just ask the community for help. Thanks for your time, and I'm always here to assist.--Gnowor_C 23:19, 20 December 2010 (UTC)