Misplaced Pages

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Can you tell me what you mean?

Agreed. Jimbo needs to either start listening to the community or step down/be forcibly removed in favour of someone who will. I don't honestly care which it is at this point, but if Misplaced Pages is to survive it has to be one or the other. Cynical 17:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Can you tell me what I've done that makes you think I'm not listening to the community? A number of the other votes on that page seemed to suggest that I've done something awful, but the simple fact of the matter is that in this entire userbox conflict, I have actually done absolutely nothing. There have been no decrees from me, no mass deletions, nothing but a serious attempt to engage a wide variety of people in serious discussion. What other content does the phrase "listening to the community" have?

Will you reconsider?--Jimbo Wales 19:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

NB: the following is a copy of the reply I left on Jimbo's talk page - I have copied it here to make archiving easier later

I can't speak for anyone else who signed the manifestos, but I have two main issues:

1. Your insertion of CSD T1. Incidentally, I agree that userboxes should be deleted (the idea of having them as subpages of userspace and then subst'ing them seems sound, as it disassociates them from any notion of being part of Misplaced Pages itself) but I do not agree that, unless the existence of wikipedia itself is threatened (which I find hard to believe in this case), you should arbitrary introduce a major policy change, without any substantial discussion never mind consensus (and in fact from what can be seen on DRV, in direct opposition to most of the community ).
2. Following the introduction of CSD T1 (which, as noted above, I am uncomfortable with), your subsequent failure to do anything to the numerous admins who are abusing it - I'm not talking about simple judgement calls like the cannibal userbox or the hypothetical 'abortionists are scum' userbox that's been mentioned on the mailing list (that is down to the admin's discretion, and it is entirely arguable that they are 'inflammatory' or 'polemical'), but circumstances where the admin is making no attempt to claim legitimacy for their actions (e.g. claiming that the userbox possesses certain qualities e.g. 'divisive' which are not actually prohibited by CSD T1, or ). You were (quite rightly) quick to desysop pro-userbox admins who abused their capabilities (undeletion and blocking mainly) with relation to the pedophile userbox, all I ask is that you show the same balance in dealing with anti-userbox admins who abuse their powers (deletion and blocking mainly)

In short, I did not sign the manifesto because I have any great ideological attachment to userboxes, but because of the worrying disregard for Misplaced Pages process. I would be willing to reconsider if the broad sentiment behind the manifesto (preventing arbitrary insertion of policy without discussion, and abuse of power by admins) could be achieved in the current structure Cynical 20:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)