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Controversy...Ancient Egyptians

Thanks for the catch, I must have missed some of it. --Mgreenbe 21:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

But it's good! I forgot to look through the history to see what else had been changed. Cheers! --Mgreenbe 21:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Deletion or merging Iranian peoples

Obviously there are no scientific sources references to support content of this article. I neutrally ask you to help delete that article or at least merge its stuff to other related articles. I still think you are neutral. Thanks. Diyako Talk + 23:46, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply about deletion of original research and racistic article of Iranian people. Diyako Talk + 00:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi!i have no idea why i am telling u this,or that if me,u or anyone else can do something about it,but i just saw on inanna's tak page that she removed the message i had sent her to work on a solution in Turkish cypriots article.i have figured out what she is trying to do in the articles,but i didn't think that she would even change the talk pages!u can check it in the history section...just leting u know that i asked her to cite sources and solutions and telling u not to ask for unprotection of that article,cause i am sure that it will be reverted as soon as she logs in again.regards--Hectorian 01:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

By the way,i saw that u are in a search about the iranian languages and people and about a name of them that would create no disputes.if i can propose something u(although i know u know better than me:)...),i think that the term 'Iranic' would be more neutral.something like german and germanic...it is a term that it is used in international bibliography...i have not made it up by myself:)--Hectorian 02:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

thanks with the inanna case.about the term Iranic,it may not be used as much as 'Iranian',but i think it is the only one that will end all disputes...there is no dispute between e.g. norwegians and germans cause the term 'germanic' is used.if the term 'iranian' will continue to be used,there will always be cases of kurds etc who will be offended.--Hectorian 02:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

hey!thanks again for the correction in my userboxes:)--Hectorian 02:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Turkish interests

Khoikhoi, just observing your interest in the Turkish/Turkic related subjects I suspect that you have more than just a rudimentary knowledge about the Turks. But if you are interested in furthering your knowledge about the Turks it is imperative to go beyond the current social restrictions and the jingoism and re-examine the history with a critical eye: The "Turk" constitues a very convernient "other" which other identities can use to distinguish and define their own identities. This creates an artificial "see-saw" where one's own identity rests on the demise of the Turkish identity. I do not take the history, folklore and ethnology lightly. In my opinion investigation of any ethnic identity adds pieces to the big picture of human culture. And I strongly disagree that ones own identity should be at the expense of other identities. Rape and exile are part of our shared history, regardless how painful it would be to learn that "our" brethren were wronged in the history, we need to keep an open eye to be able to see the whole picture. I am afraid this little blurb was more normative than informative but this is what I think the best information I can give to you at the moment. Take care AverageTurkishJoe 05:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Mongols and Han Chinese have very similar phenotypical traits. There are 1.3 billion chinese and less then 10 million Mongolians. So if we are investigating the possible source of mongolian phenotypes we cannot assume that these traits are exclusive to Mongolians. The difference is Mongolians speak an Altaic language and Chinese mostly speak Mandarin. There are other Altaic languages further east of Mongolia (Evenki, Tungus, Manchu) whose speakers have even less similarity to Turks. Chances are that the Altaic languages spread from west to east and Mongolian phenotypical characteristics spread from east to west from an originally Mandarin speaking people. Of course without sources this is just my POV. Take care. - AverageTurkishJoe 11:53, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your voting!

Hi, thanks for your voting on my RFA. It has finished with the result 88/14/9, and I am promoted. I am really overwhelmed with the amount of support I have got. With some of you we have edited many articles as a team, with some I had bitter arguments in the past, some of you I consider to be living legends of Misplaced Pages and some nicks I in my ignorance never heard before. I love you all and I am really grateful to you.

If you feel I can help you or Misplaced Pages as a human, as an editor or with my newly acquired cleaning tools, then just ask and I will be happy to assist. If you will feel that I do not live up to your expectation and renegade on my promises, please contact me. Maybe it was not a malice but just ignorance or a short temper. Thank you very much, once more! abakharev 07:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

new guinea

Hi, thanks about the maps :) I hadnt planned on doing western new guinea maps because there is already Image:Westpapua1.png, but I suppose I could if there was something which needed a map for it -- Astrokey44|talk 23:47, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Iranian peoples pic

Since you deleted the Iranian peoples pic (for lack of inclusiveness) would you mind and suggest some good looking Afghan, Tajik, and Kurdish pictures? I'll make a new collage.

btw, it seems Heja is determined to carry out a revert war. So be it.--Zereshk 06:09, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Tajik. He's in a tight defensive mode right now. I cant convince him right now of anything. He even attacked SouthernComfort. But Safavids were Azeri. But they were also Iranian too. It's not an either/or thing. They had both traits. Look at the portrait of Ismail Safavi. You can still see the "Per" (as in Persis) on the top right side of the picture. They were proud Persianoids. But Tajik is right about Sheikh Safiddin being originally Kurdish up the ladder. Dehkhoda verifies that too. But hey, I'm happy with that too. Another example of the intermingling of one big Iranian family. As far as Im concerned, ethnic lines are so blurred in the region nowadays that these ethnic squabbles on WP are pretty vain to me. My aunt is Kurdish. Im half Azeri, and my paternal grandfater was half Georgian. A typical case.

On a side note, I disagree with you about supporting secessionism, but that's OK. I absolutely however agree that every group and community should have their freedoms. The solution to Iran's problems are political in my opinion. Once a state becomes a self-evolving pluralistic democracy and the economy as a result is opened up, it eventually creates prosperity. With prosperity comes stability: People like Diyako and Heja will be running around enjoying making money in their prosperous Iranian Kurdistan home, instead of spewing out hatred here. Nobody will care about ethnicity in a society that has its desired welfare. Racism (and other forms of extremism) are generally a symptom of lack of prosperity. That's my theory. We can disagree on that. Nobody thinks the same. But that's fine.

Now, Heja and Diyako, I dont know what's wrong with them. I wasnt going to get in this mess. But erasing "Iranian people"? That's just taking it way too far. You should see Heja's posts on other websites. She fumes with hatred against Persians and Sassanids.

One request though: If you can, please let the poetry (like on the Fars page) stay. It took me ages to find those verses. My goal is to eventually have one or two lines adorn every provincial page of Iran. And cities too. It gives flavor and beauty, and many readers actually enjoy it. We can even use Kurdish and Azeri verses as well. I just want to get the artistic heritage of Iran across. I get emails thanking me for these things. (some are from Iran). It wont hurt to have these verses.

Anyway, take it easy.--Zereshk 06:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

IP's on vandal watch list

Well, granted that I'm not an admin, it's kind of hard for me to do anything directly but I have passed the message on to a user who is an admin who will have a look. Thanks for the heads up though :) Tawker 08:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah don't worry, I needed some poking to get me to start my "Users who think I'm an admin" counter :) -- Tawker 08:47, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I have a policy of no self nominations, so who knows when it will be. Tawker 08:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. The list has been checked by an admin btw. Tawker 08:54, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Heja Helweda, Diyako, Aucaman

These three users are on some sort of anti-Iranian crusade vandalizing all the Iranian and Persian related articles. We need to keep an eye on their " edit activities" as their intentions is not sincere but merely for the purpose of propagating false information.

Khoikhoi and Armenians

Don't you people have anything better to do than editing Turks related Misplaced Pages articles? Now, I know Armenians are obsessed with everything related to Turks but what's your story Khoikhoi? And why are you cooperating with Armenians? --Kagan the Barbarian 14:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)