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Mike Ricci (fighter)

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Notability has not been established. Not nearly enough fights especially in top tier. Peter Rehse (talk) 02:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 02:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Ricci is given good secondary coverage here http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mma/news/20121213/mike-ricci/, here http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/video/mike-ricci-on-mmajunkiecom-radio/1851158127001 , and here http://ca.news.yahoo.com/montreal-mma-pros-gsp-macdonald-ricci-weigh-fighting-160448560--spt.html

WP:MMANOT says mutliple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. So I think Ricci should stay

  • Keep - has multiple fights to show notability. Has fought in Bellator and the UFC, therefore passing WP:MMANOT, especially when you consider he's fought in the Ultimate Fighter too and is a runner-up. Not many fighters can claim to have made it to the finals of the Ultimate Fighter. Is still with the company, so he'll only continue to have more UFC fights in the coming months. Silly nomination, imo. Paralympiakos (talk) 15:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Delete - If the fight record is correct this fighter fails the WP:MMANOT fighters test. Specifically failing the support of notability 1 (Only reference listed in article from fight 2 years ago), notability 2 (has not fought for the highest title of a top tier MMA organization), and notability 3 (Fought at least three (3) fights for top tier MMA organizations). Notability is enduring and I notice that he's listed in an event that occured last night, so it's reasonable to assume that there'll be a burst of coverage about him in context of The Ultimate Fighter 16, but that does not make him notable enough for a stand alone article. Hasteur (talk) 23:13, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Very Weak Delete albeit without prejudice. The nominator is incorrect, as Ricci only fails by a single Top-Tier fight per WP:MMANOT. Nevertheless the creation of the article was technically premature and he technically requires that he wait until his third fight in a Top-Tier organization for a created article. I would have voted to Keep the article if he had another UFC fight scheduled at least, but he just had his first such fight (and second top-tier fight) 24 hours ago. If he had won his fight last night I would have still voted Keep on the grounds that he is the winner of a reality show (The Ultimate Fighter season 16 for outsiders), but he did not do that either. This article can be recreated when he passes WP:MMANOT and the previous version should be accessible then (and you can also simply copy it to your sandbox for now). Beansy (talk) 00:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Why is every !voter (who provides any rationale at all) quoting "MMANOT" as if it were a notability guideline? WP:ATHLETE is a notability guideline, as is WP:BASIC - both of which rely on evaluation of independent, reliable sources to determine if a subject is notable. Based on these guidelines and evaluation of the sources already in the article, this one looks like a keep. VQuakr (talk) 01:03, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Would you prefer WP:NMMA which says the same thing as WP:MMANOT in regards to MMA fighters? --TreyGeek (talk) 01:12, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
Possibly because it's the nuanced WP:SNG that has been customized for MMA fighters which we try to enforce a bit higher standard because there has been an issue in the past with all sorts of fighter articles being created. Hasteur (talk) 14:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It says at the top of WP:ATHLETE that exceptions can be made and also mentions using common sense. Why is the bar so low for boxers at WP:NBOX that they only have to appeared on one primetime or PPV Showtime/HBO event? MMA fighters must appear in 3? I think an exception could be made for Ricci because common sense says that he is going to get that third fight scheduled in the near future. Why go through the hassle when you know he is going to get the fight and this is doing to be be brought up again? PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 02:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:OTHERSTUFF. We're considering a MMA fighter here. Think the MMANOT essay is wrong, open a discussion there explaining a good reasoning. In the mean time we're evaluating based on the guidelines we have currently Hasteur (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
he will certainly fight again - That's WP:CRYSTAL. For all we know he may fall and break his neck, thereby ending his MMA career. There's a reason why 3 appearances in a top tier MMA event are required so as to ensure that notable fighters are in the encyclopedia. Hasteur (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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