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Request for third party comments
Hi Koavf, I was wondering if you could chime in on some discussion and some reverts happening at Huqúqu'lláh and Talk:Huqúqu'lláh. Originally an anonymous editor started adding some content based off some primary source material, which didn't match most of the secondary source material. There was some issue with the referenceing there, and I removed not only his content, but a lot of the content that was referenced by primary source material, and added back content to the best of my ability that was referenced with secondary source material. We've had discussions on the use of primary source material mostly on his and my talk page, and I'm trying to get him to come to Talk:Huqúqu'lláh, but he hasn't been coming that way. My claim is that if he has an understanding of a view of the primary source material, it shouldn't be too hard to find a secondary source that says that, but he hasn't come forward with any. He's also adjusting some of the wording of the content cited from the secondary source material, because it doesn't meet his understanding, which I've recently come to understand is from a minority Baha'i view. There are those Baha'is that don't follow the Universal House of Justice. THey are numbered in the hundreds, and so they are less than 0.1% of all Baha'is, and generally their views don't get published in secondary source material that mention the religion, except when talking about the divisions. There is a detailed page on them at Baha'i divisions. However, virtually all secondary source material that mention the Baha'i Faith refers to the religion that is centered by the Universal House of Justice. My understanding of undue weight states that unless there are secondary sources that document these other views in a reasonable proportion, that content should not be in Misplaced Pages, but I may be wrong.
It would be helpful if there can be some other viewpoints brought into the discussion. You can also see my talk page which has some very long passages that are about a whole bunch of things from the same anonymous editor.
Warm regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 06:19, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
File:2001 space travel.ogv listed for deletion
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Lisa Janti
User:Guiletheme has a complaint, note he's taken chopping some articles but is currently just looking at the Janti article. I'll note that in the past some editors have worked across it and not found a problem including an another admin. Thoughts please. --Smkolins (talk) 02:08, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
The Tri-Tone Fascination
We seem to be disagreeing on the vocals/language thing for Shawn Lane's second album. In this case it's not black-and-white, for he does perform vocals (I can't remember on which tracks), but they're of the 'non-word' variety like Annie Lennox or something like that—hence, I think to categorise the album as "English language" would be incorrect because not a word of English is actually sung. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 10:22, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Category:Suzi Quatro albums genre(s)
Hi Koavf, I cannot understand the reasons for this edit. Quatro's album Annie Get Your Gun – 1986 London Cast is a cast recording of a musical, with an orchestra, written by Irving Berlin. Is it Hard Rock? Best wishes — Peter Loader (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Genres @Peter.loader:. Not every album by her is in that genre but how would we categorize by genre otherwise? Steve Martin has a clear division between comedy albums and his bluegrass albums, so they can be categorized as both for navigational purposes. Suzi Quatro is generally a hard rock artist, even if a single release from her can't be characterized that way. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:45, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Categorization#Articles states "A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define ... the subject as having." Though Suzi Quatro albums are commonly defined as having the genre hard rock, Annie Get Your Gun – 1986 London Cast is not of this genre. So Suzi Quatro albums are not consistently defined as having this genre. Hence Category:Suzi Quatro albums cannot be a sub-category of Category:Hard rock albums by American artists.
- WP:OC#MISC makes it clear that it would be wrong to create a sub-category of Category:Albums by American artists by genre called something like Category:Albums by American artists with multiple genres. Instead it says "It is not necessary to completely empty every parent category into its subcategories. If there are some articles that don't fit appropriately into any of the standard subcategories, leave the articles in the parent category." The best parent category that I can find for Category:Suzi Quatro albums (avoiding container categories) is Category:Albums by American artists.
- What do you think? Peter Loader (talk) 21:16, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Peter.loader: That's true of articles. Categories are used for navigation. (NSFW language ahead but only because this is the best example that I know): If someone is looking for Grindcore albums, then they should be able to navigate to Category:Anal_Cunt_albums because that band is the most famous grindcore act. The fact that they released one parody soft rock album (Picnic of Love) should not stop their albums from being categorized as grindcore. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Category:Ukrainian music outside of Ukraine
Hi. I can’t find any deletion discussion. Please drop me a note when it appears. —Michael Z. 2014-01-16 16:31 z
Pearl Jam topic update
I'm just letting you know that the Pearl Jam topic is currently up for review to determine whether it should keep its status or not. The review can be found here if you wish to partake in the discussion. GamerPro64 19:26, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
redirect removal
You removal of the redirect of Talk:Myanmar has been reverted. Please be more careful in the future as this causes confusion among editors. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:12, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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Ally McBeal cast photos
Can you withdraw your FFD nominations? I think you were very unproductive, as you've been often. You should use WP:NFCR next time. --George Ho (talk) 20:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- @George Ho: No, I won't. Why would it be more productive to propose these at a page which has a backlog? Non-free media can be (and are routinely) nominated at FFD. Saying that I've been "very unproductive, as 've been often" is not only rude, it's unhelpful. What is your point? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- You always nominate images for deletion without discussing with uploaders first, even when the images may not belong to them. That's what I meant. Also, Masem could have responded, or any other person who frequently visits the page. Backlog shouldn't scare you away from NFCR. Someone is already there to frequently or occasionally close a review. --George Ho (talk) 22:27, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
- Conversation Why would I talk with the uploader first? That's probably going to be less productive because we'll go round and round and then I'll go to FFD. If the uploader has a good argument for keeping it, then he can just post it there. Still not sure why I should use NFCR rather than FFD: your explanation is just getting me more confused. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- In FFD, you prefer one, while Steven has no preference. I'll rephrase reasons for NFCR: communication with me and you should have been easier. The third-party should have made comments; you would have understand that omitting valuable images does harm more than good. George Ho (talk) 01:54, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Conversation Why would I talk with the uploader first? That's probably going to be less productive because we'll go round and round and then I'll go to FFD. If the uploader has a good argument for keeping it, then he can just post it there. Still not sure why I should use NFCR rather than FFD: your explanation is just getting me more confused. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:08, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
- You always nominate images for deletion without discussing with uploaders first, even when the images may not belong to them. That's what I meant. Also, Masem could have responded, or any other person who frequently visits the page. Backlog shouldn't scare you away from NFCR. Someone is already there to frequently or occasionally close a review. --George Ho (talk) 22:27, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
4gottenheroes
Hi Koavf!
My first article: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Ira_Ward
submission was declined by User:Josve05a because I didn't know how to
use footnotes. AFC rules clearly discourages this as I had citations. He
should have made a quick fix... I am not angry with him because he did
help me a little.
Can you please give me some tips on how I can improve this article and get it accepted?
//Blessings! 83.180.176.52 (talk) 15:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC) 4gottenheroes
- AfC You need to have better sources. What have
others said about Ira Ward? For instance, how did you ever hear of him? —Justin (koavf)❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮C☺M☯
09:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Cymru
Wales is not a sovereign state, but it is a nation and a country for many purposes, and internationally recognised as such.
This is particularly true of sport and religion - which some would say are the same thing. It is nonsensical to talk of UK rugby or soccer, as the constituent countries have their own governing bodies and national teams.
Likewise, Wales has a national assembly and national library.
In terms of religion, Scotland is treated as a nation and a country by most churches (only the likes of the JWs ignore this)... Wales less so, but still significantly so. In the case of Anglicanism, Wales has its own church - the "Church in Wales"... Roman Catholicism does not treat it separately, but it is considered such for many other denominations, most notably Methodism, and Presbyterianism.
I'm amazed that I have to explain this to a supposedly educated person, but you appear misinformed and misguided on this question. (tildes unavailable, will hopefully be signed automatically)-MacRùsgail (talk) 12:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Categorization So what are you proposing? Categorizing Wales as a "country" sometimes but not others? That's even more confusing and arbitrary. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- If you knew anything about Wales (or that matter Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Northern Ireland), you'd be aware of how many contradictions and anomalies that there are in this regard. Yes, Wales is treated as such for many purposes but not all purposes... as a result of the vagaries of centuries of history.
- Rather than discussing this in some dark corner of Misplaced Pages that few ever venture into other than would-be bureaucrats, why don't you actually discuss this with people who come from Wales or at least know about it?!-MacRùsgail (talk) 12:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- @MacRusgail: This is not a Wales-specific issue: any other entity which could be referred to as a "country" for some reason but isn't a sovereign state would have the same issue. There is an entire scheme of "X by country" and it's intended to include sovereign states. There are also schemes of "X by nationality/ethnicity" which could include the Welsh or Manx or African-Americans or Hausa or the endless amount of people groups whom we could identify. The linguistic accident that the constituents of the UK are called "countries" (although sometimes Northern Ireland is called a "province") shouldn't break our schemes of categorizing by sovereign state. Finally, you should stop insulting me--I overlooked it in your first message but I won't in the future. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- Rather than discussing this in some dark corner of Misplaced Pages that few ever venture into other than would-be bureaucrats, why don't you actually discuss this with people who come from Wales or at least know about it?!-MacRùsgail (talk) 12:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sure there is such a scheme. I know from bitter experience though, that these discussions are decided by a small minority of wikipedians with little knowledge of the matter that they speak of. Usually in some part of Misplaced Pages most of us haven't heard of. In the real world, Wales is treated as a country for many religious purposes. The Church in Wales for example, is as much a national church as the United Church of Canada. It is not part of the Church of England, or any UK-wide church. It is part of the international Anglican Communion, which is something different again.
- This isn't a "linguistic accident" by the way. And it's actually pretty offensive to us to call us "accidents". As I keep telling you - please discuss this with people who know about Wales, on a Welsh board.-MacRùsgail (talk) 18:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
@MacRusgail: Excuse, what is supposed to be offensive about what I wrote? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Template problem
Please fix Template:Dmoz It should NOT be adding a slash at the end of the generated url, as it isn't necessary and it breaks if the value entered already has a slash at the end. Because of caching, the error isn't easily caught. Thanks! ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.23.178.214 (talk) 18:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
10,000 Maniacs Unplugged
What makes you think that is an unreliable site? I would definitely like to get that information on there as it is something will be interested in. RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 13:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- @RoyalBlueStuey: Self-published sources are unreliable—anyone can publish anything through them. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:36, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Homosexuality is depraved
Homosexuality is depraved. Moses Condemns Lesbianism (talk) 05:16, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Banned user
Re the banned user template on User talk:Wotan Condemns Lesbianism, who is the banned master? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:58, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
@Callanecc: I just knew he'd be banned so I slapped that on there preemptively. And you did it. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
- That's not a ban it's a block and the banned user template can only be used for users who have actually been banned. Plus edit warring over it really doesn't achieve anything! Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
- I am God Condemns Homosexuality. Moroni Condemns Lesbianism (talk) 06:19, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Template:WPBASEBALL
I notice this got protected from reposting for whatever reason. I posted a request to lift the protection of WP:RFPP. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 02:48, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- @NintendoFan: Thanks. I posted there myself and someone directed me to the admin's talk page. It's just a stupid bureaucratic run-around. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
- Not much we can do but hope it gets restored. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 02:52, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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