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Montenegro

You are obviously well familiar with montenegrin history, which I on the other hand aren't, but I must admit that I have always thought montenegrins to be a clan of serbs: the so called doclea-serbs (karadzic), opposed to the rascia-serbs (milosevic) - only kidding :) But they are doclea-serbs or at least must of them say so - and the other serbs are rascia-serbs I guess. Damir Mišić

slobodan's montenegrin too? damn those docela-serbs, oh pardon I mean montenegrins. Just joking :) If the montenegrins wan't to be free and separet then everybody should let them do so. Self-determination is every man's right. Damir Mišić

Re: Ministarka

Mda, javili su i u ovdasnjim medijima naravno. Budale vrlo lako dobiju pozornost. Steta samo sto 40ak posto glasacke populacije nije dovoljno briga za takvu prirodu radikala :/

Ovdje nije bilo takvih izljeva u zadnje vrijeme. Kod nas i budale idu u Europu, i naucili su sto znaci "hate speech" pa se klone toga :) --Joy 19:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Sto mislis...

Pa, eto, mala sestra se konacno okurazila. Neka ih.

Oni koji se brinu da ce srpstvo propast zbog jos jednog razjedinjenja se ipak prave naivni - svakome tko malo mucne glavom je jasno da je dugorocno to vise kao regionalizacija nego separacija, kad ce za max 15 godina ionako i velika i mala sestra zavrsiti u Uniji.

Inace, zbijaju se vec zgodne sale i posalice na temu nezavisnosti... mora covjek odati pocast Srbijancima na sposobnosti za to, neumorni su :)

--Joy 19:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Boka

Pa ja ne vidim da se moji i ovi drugi podaci razlikuju. Ono što si ti prevideo jeste da se moji podaci za 1900 odnose na OPŠTINE, a oni drugi u odeljku "Croats" na sama mesta. Dakle, ako je opština Herceg Novi imala pravoslavnu većinu to ne znači i da je grad Herceg Novi isto imao pravoslavnu većinu. Pored toga, austrijski popisi nisu beležili ljude po nacionalnoj pripadnosti već po veroispovesti, tako da je navodni broj Hrvata 1910 godine u stvari samo broj katoličkih vernika, jer ne postoji podatak o nacionalnoj pripadnosti na tim popisima. PANONIAN (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa kažem ti, broj katolika na tim popisima se uglavnom uzima za broj Hrvata. Tek Jugoslovenski popisi posle 1945 beleže nacionalnu pripadnost. Doduše, austrijski popisi su pored veroispovesti beležili i jezik, tako da se možda može videti broj ljudi koji je izjavio da govore hrvatski, ali ja te podatke o jeziku nemam. PANONIAN (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa imaš popis iz 2003 o njima. I to je nešto. :))) PANONIAN (talk) 20:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa šta ja tu mogu da uradim? Ja sam stavio podatke koje sam imao, a za ove druge podatke moraš pitati onoga ko ih je tu stavio. Ja nemam sada vremena da tražim podatke o Hrvatima u Boki, ako ti imaš vremena, traži ih, i popravi u članku šta god misliš da ne valja. PANONIAN (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

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Hey HRE. Come where? What are you talking about? Crna Gora 19:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind0, I see. What is your username for msn though. Mine is CrnaGora12@hotmail.com See you on msn. Crna Gora 19:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I knew you were twelve...haha.:) C-c-c-c 03:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't have ICQ, though I have AIM Crna Gora 20:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Iam Montenegrin Australian...i was born in Australia. My grandfather on my dads side came from Perast to Australia but went back and forth few times. His kids including my father arrived in Australia in the 50s. My granfather died here in Australia. Dads side have always been catholic. My mum is from Tivat also catholic and has a blood link with Montenegrin Ivica Kralj, Yugo goalkeeper. They have always been proud Montenegrins and most of all Yugoslavs in Australia. Only after the war in the Balkans broke out did i question what my real background is. I started asking around and quickly found that we were Croatian on both sides. Our granfather told us that Boka region was settled by Croats and that Serbs came later. I have only been twice to Boka once in 1986 and the other in 1988. Both times i found it a little boring haha. Today i say as i have all my life ...Iam Montenegrin background....going back we can all trace our origin to Africa or even Adam and Eve...i just can't see myself changing my identity today by what my blood line was in ancient history, very ancient. I have only taken an interest in the Balkans when i could see the Serbs vs Croats debate on the net. Very silly when you think about. People out there are trying to change history and have come up with some sources that are made up or just pov. Iam living proof and i know what my grandad told me is fact...he lived there and he loved Montenegro. If he was around today he would hate that were even debating origin.

Evergreen Montenegro1 23:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

ZAŠTO

Why are you looking for information on Boka??? Ask the Montenegrin people themselves, they will tell you. Most sources are rubbish....trust me ..too much theory not enough fact... The Serbs have gone to great lengths to change the history of Boka and i would say most people have bought it. I guess they had the fear that Croatia sooner or later would try to claim this region back. As silly as it sounds same goes for trying to Serbanise Croat people eg like Ivo Andric and Rudjer Boscovich. Some Serbs have gone to great legths to try to make everyone Serbian and i have seen it first hand here on wikipedia. If you give people power to edit here and freedom to print rubbish in books you finally end up with a wrong historical account with heavy Serbian Pov. When an outsider reads both sides they can only say WHAT THE??? as i often do.

Leave history as we know it. Bosnia was settled by Croats who coverted to Islam. Montenegro was settled by Serbs. Boka was settled by Croats. This is ancient history but today is anotehr story and another debate. and SURE all along you had people who called themselves Montenegrin and Bosnjak..which adds to confusion.

Evergreen Montenegro1 03:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Mountain Wreath

What is this ???? Mountain Wreath . Tell me more please or give a link. The one you gave is too long to down load

I love how you're listed a Slavic ancesty..

Evergreen Montenegro1 06:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

shocked

Saying that Albanians (living above river shkumbin) are closer to Serbs than Croatians are, in any way is more shocking than anything I have heard from Serbian wikipedians eversince I stepped in this environment. If you must know, the only thing that differs Albanians above and south of Shkumbin (and might somehow connect Albanians and Serbs) is that those in Kosovo (some) still speak Serbian, and those in Albania do not. Your explanations are just....I do not know. I thought you have a more NPOV, but seems like you are just another victim of all sorts of Serbian propagandas, and adopted history books to brainwash Serbs. I am disappointed as much as shocked. I saw in you a more neutral, and smarter editor. Pozdrav, ilir_pz 09:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Reply

He is a walking contradiction, so what do you mean he has a point?--Jadran 11:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC) whats exactly his theory? that the people within the AVNOJ borders of 1945 are actually all Bosniaks who turned away from there loyalty to illyria?

dont you think its rather naive way of thinking, not only in regards to the obsudidty that illyrians of Dalmatia and Pannonia provinces( which exstended over the modern borders of BiH) would deny there illyrian loyalty for a new"bosniak/bosniak" one? But also the fact that Bosnia province was only 20 percent in size(vrhbosna) of what it is considered today so therefore how can the inhabitants of people within the modern AVNOJ borders of Bosnia herzegovina be called bosnian..even in a geographic sense let alone a ethnic sense..considering those regions were not even apart of the then much smaller region bosnia..eg hum..hercegoviuna? strange dont u think?

POLL

No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:

Improvement of the <ref> function.

Please weigh in at Misplaced Pages talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver  16:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

...

Sori, izgubio sam se. Zasto si ono sve meni rekao? :) Usput, neki dan je Jutarnji objavio pola stranice raznih kontroverznih izjava crnogorskih politicara iz 1990ih... ali dobro, valjda nitko nije sumnjao da i tamo politicari ne operiraju po principu sette bandiere. Ne znam, to mi je sve tako tangencijalno, nek rade sta hoce, ionako je to samo par tisuca minor edita da se promijeni ime drzave. :) A i korisno je cisto zato sto sam primijetio par clanaka o povijesti gdje je SFRY bilo greskom zamijenjeno sa SCG, pa je cak dobro da imamo izliku da pregledamo i ispravimo takve stvari. --Joy 22:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nemam blagog pojma je li koji od .hr ministara ne-Hrvat. Nije im bitna nacionalnost, samo je bitno da su HDZovci ;)

Ne znam na sto mislis pod ovo postovi i Dujino... --Joy 17:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Andric, Boscovich

Holyman,

I thik if you look close enough all the posts that support your view are Serbian pov.

1)Rudjer Boscovich is a Croat by his father and Italian by his mother. Now to say he was Serbian is just politics. Don't believe it. Base the view on facts not Serbian pov. Trust me even all the x Yugos are laughing why the Serbs are even debating it. This man had no Serbian blood at all.

2) Ivo Andric was Croat (or Bosnian Croat to be correct). He had no Serbian blood but he had a love of the Serbian people and the language. It's a bit like Nikola Tesla a Vlah Serb but he did say he was Croatian and mentioned it, but we know he wasn't Croat. Same thing. You need to look at blood, i guess...I can say Iam an Alien too, but am I one hahaha.

I ask you why are people out there debating ones origin??? What does one get out of Serbanising all Croats in some shape or form????.... I think this is a huge problem and i have seen it done on wikipedia and countless other sites. Give people the power to print rubbish and edit sites they will do it....

Why ???? Why change the facts???...Why fool yourself??? Man when you think about it this problem will never go away. Some people out there are hell bent on changing historical facts to better Serbian people. Not all Serbs though, just a select few with a creative mind and heaps of time on their hands. Serbs have Tesla why do they need Andric and other Croats...Tesla was a superman.

PS Re Montenegro........who knows 100%..depends who wrote the book...so many takes but in general there is a common view like i said in my old posts. Common view must have merit. New theory is like the DaVinci code...sounds realistic but is fiction for the most part.

Evergreen Montenegro1 23:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Ja sam mislio da je Ivo Andrić stvarno Srbin kad sam ga ja vidio na Portal:Serbs i na famous Serbs. Sada znam da je on stvarno bio Bosnanski Hrvat. Kuku, ovi Srbi su stvarno nešto. Mislite ovo? --Europa22 04:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Serbism

I thought everyone knew! I get my information through either maknews.com, or special coded communiqué's from the Macedonian Ministry of the Exterior. But sssshhh, don't tell anyone! Can't you tell by the way I'm always pushing for the Macedonian POV?! :)) PS. Did you see the vote going on here? - FrancisTyers · 14:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Kosovo

Dear editor, I removed one of your comments/votes in Talk:Kosovo#Comparison of versions so far, because it was not according to the rules that were clearly stated in the top of that section. Please note that this is not a vote, but rather an inquiry of opinions. Unargumented votes or personal attacks on the writers rather than the contents of their proposal are not allowed and will be removed. Feel free to add another comment, according to those rules, however. Cpt. Morgan 15:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

If you feel that I have a negative attitude towards you, I apologize :). I certainly did not have that intention. In this case, I removed not only your comment, but also 2 others (see the Kosovo talk page history). In the earlier comment, I guess I was getting a bit annoyed from the highly flammable discussions, which have been going on for a long time. I am still trying to negotiate a solution though and I welcome any comments on the contents of the proposals and any ideas for solving this dispute. Cpt. Morgan 15:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. In the case of the other removed comments, I posted the almost exact same paragraph in their talk pages. It is just a general paragraph for this purpose. Cpt. Morgan 15:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Bosnian grammar

See --Dado 15:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

House of Petrović

Hi HRE,

While on Recent Changes Patrol, I realised there is an edit war going on about this article. Someone is changing Serbian to Montenegrin. As I am unfamiliar with the subject, I decided to refer the matter to you. Regards, --E Asterion 20:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Yeah, I understand that you can't vote on it, HRE. Though, I think it will become a language. Crna Gora 03:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello, have you ever heard of other languages having those letters. Also, Misplaced Pages has javascript letters on the bottom, so you can type: Ś (sj) , Ź (zj) , 3 (dz) Crna Gora 17:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Piracy

Hi, I see you posted on Piracy with some ideas about ancient piracy, I think you should go ahead and add them since you obviously have some good knowledge! --Awiseman 07:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

help with Neo-Nazism in Croatia please

Please see Talk:Neo-Nazism in Croatia and tell me if I'm being unreasonable or just beating my head against the wall with people who don't accept compromise. --Joy 11:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

::: If you have time, pls review my rewrite of this article for NPOV. Note I have requested two other people to do the same just to get a cross-section of peer review. Thank you croatian_quoll 10:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Welcome

Um, thanks for the greetings at my discussion page. Although I'm not really that new to wikipedia, I still appreciated the welcome and tips. thanks.

Zastavafan76 21:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I see you've met my Serbian/Montenegrin freind, Jatroxoursox (this is the name from a forum we go to). Hehe, this dude and LukaP know a lot about aviation, apparently. He also knows a lot about cars, which I know a little about.

Ok well I guess your right about how everybody needs a welcome. Thanks

Zastavafan76 20:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey!

Thanks for a barnstar! Funny thing, I received while being blocked :).

--Ante Perkovic 15:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Trust me, we don't look desperate. Even if you did, I doubt anybody would notice. Don't worry about it. Crna Gora 20:16, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Community Ban

Hi HRE, I would appreciate another opinion on this matter . Thanks and regards, --E Asterion 22:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hello HolyRomanEmperor. May I ask you, from where do you descend from? I'm from Montenegro. Milo 03:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Srbi u Bosni

Hm, što se tiče onih podataka iz "Demographic History of Bosnia and Herzegovina", tu opet imamo problem sa teritorijom na koju se podaci odnose, jer tamo piše da su to podaci za tadašnji "Bosanski Sandžak", koji nema nikakve veze sa sadašnjom teritorijom BIH. Mislim da je problem sa tim člankom što neko želi da prezentuje podatke o stanovništvu Bosanskog Sandžaka kao podatke o celoj BIH (a to bih ja nazvao manipulacijom). Sasvim je moguće da je u Bosanskom Sandžaku bilo manje pravoslavnih nego muslimana i katolika, ali Bosanski Sandžak je bio samo jedan okrug Bosne. Da bi se dobila slika o celokupnom stanovništvu onda treba uzeti podatke iz svih tadašnjih sandžaka, pa bi se onda dobila prava slika stanovništva. PANONIAN (talk) 21:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Imaš ovde mapu sandžaka u Bosni u to doba: http://en.wikipedia.org/Image:Bosnia_17th_century.jpg Iako granice na mapi nisu najbolje nacrtane, možeš videti otprilike šta je bvila teritorija tadašnjeg Bosanskog Sandžaka i koji su delovi današnje BIH pripadali drugim sandžacima. Inače, granice između sandžaka su se često menjale, tako da oni podaci iz "Demographic History of Bosnia and Herzegovina" sigurno ne predstavljaju stanovništvo na sadašnjoj teritoriji BIH, već samo na području tadašnje pokrajine "Bosanski Sandžak". Inače ono tamno zeleno na mapi je "Bosanski Vilajet", dok je "Bosanski Sandžak" bio samo cetralni deo tog vilajeta. PANONIAN (talk) 21:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa od ranog srednjeg veka su Srbi uglavnom živeli u Hercegovini i istočnom delu Bosne, a tek sa dolaskom Turaka sele se na zapad i naseljavaju Bosansku Krajinu, severnu Dalmaciju, Liku, Kordun, Baniju i Slavoniju. Na ovoj mapi možeš videti da su dijalekti kojima govore Srbi sa tih prostora usko povezani sa dijalektima Hercegovine: http://sr.wikipedia.org/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0:DijalektiStok.jpg PANONIAN (talk) 00:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa dobro, činjenica je da su Srbi u 16-17 veku živeli na području Bosanske Krajine. E sada da li je muslimanskog stanovništva u gradovima u to doba bilo više nego srpskog u selima, to je sasvim moguće. PANONIAN (talk) 22:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

NIJE SVE CRNO BELO

Like i said before i have called myself what my family has for many generations. Montenegrin. End of story. Now that we have a county I think i can say it with pride. What we were before Croats, Slavs, Iranians, Serbs, Illyrians, Turks..is a huge ????? Nobody is 100% pure anything let alone Croat or Serb. We're all mixed but we can just point out what people where when they came to the Balkans and how they settled areas. There are records to support this theory of Croats in Boka, it's just Serbian POV to close it and hide it from the public eye. Why I will never know??? I have only discoverd it now. For the record..Please.... Tesla is Serb, Boscovich and Andric are Croats to say anything else is stupid, you know it and I know it. I have debated the origin of Marco Polo, I think he was Croat yet this view is unpopular with Italians. I can understand that some people are fueled with some notion of Greater Serbia, we're all Serbs etc......there is some truth in it after all Croats and Serbs are so mixed it's just like Adidas and Puma..same thing just went a different way...You must agree ay champ. I think we're judging people on ancient things. Let's get along after all i think we're in the same Chroba. Our arguing would be endless and pointless ..neither could win. Evergreen Montenegro1 03:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

What do you want to know -Boka Kotorska

sure no problems what exactly do you want me to explain?--Jadran 06:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Politika

Greed for power - politics - dreaming of being like on tv shows Dallas and Dynasty. This is why Yugolslavia had its problems and to tell you the truth West prefers all little countries than a big Yugoslavia. They also prefer the Soviet Union in bits. When i went to Montenegro and other parts of Yugosavia in the 80s all people got on well, mixed and respected one anothers religion and views etc.... Politika and people at the top made all the trouble...told people lie after lie...and we all bought it...I know there is some truth to "Greater Serbia" but they only wanted what was best for everyone... Belgrade to control all and not have rotation system in politics/rule...and maybe if Serbs got what they wanted in a peaceful way maybe all would be living in a good debt free Yugoslavia. Today we have small counrties, we will all do it tough, but we will be ok. India has 100 languages ...Yugoslavia had 4 and fell apart, tells you a lot about the people. I like what Rade Serbedjia said in one movie -Broken English- playing a Croat he said to a New Zealander "You will never understand it"...refering to why Serbs and Croats don't get on....even i find it hard to understand, how can an outsider.. (I gave you anothe reply on my talk page)

Evergreen Montenegro1 23:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

1914

I read it again.... The view is common. I sort of agree anyway as i said before many times. Montenegrins have a link with Serbs. But flip the coin and you will find some evidence out there that says there is another tribe who came before Serbs to Balkans and later called themsleves Montenegrin and this tribe came 6th Century, way before Serbs who came 7th Century. I guess it's also possible over time those MGs mixed and became Serbs as the Serbs were stronger better organised when they arrived. Much like today Serbia by population of 11 million is much stronger than any other x Yugo country. It would be so easy to force the hand in those days over Montenegro who was weaker and smaller (like today). I have no problem with the theory anyway but i do have a problem when Serbs say they also settled Bosnia and Boka when we all know Croats did. When we talk of Greater Serbia that does include Bosnia and trying to Serbanise all Croats. I guess you can see it first hand when Serb people discuss origin of Andric and Boscovich as being Serb, when we all know they were ethnic Croats etc... but Croats do the same whith Tesla saying he was Croat when we all know he was Serb (or Serb/Vlah to be correct) Too much propaganda and people buy into it as fact. Even this document you showed me, I bet a Serb wrote it.

Panonian recently told me most Croats are Serbs...funny thing is it's also possible that Serbs are Croats as the name Hrvatska (version of name) is older than Srbija (version). Many people believe in the theory that they are the same people..travel was identical ..both slavinised from Iran etc took up new religion at same time.....

PS Sorbs and Serbs and Siberia have no relation... Just simular name.

I think with names like Ivanovic, Markovic, Petkovic etc...which are found all over the Balkans + versions like Ivanov, Ivanovski..proves we're Slavs ...all of us...we're mixed with Slavs...before that who knows...Iran is possible...before that...it goes on forever and maybe back to Africa...it's just crazy. Evergreen Montenegro1 03:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Good Luck...i have had enough of the debate over origin. Take Care.. Evergreen Montenegro1 03:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Language

For all the languages you speak have a cuppa on me. And hope you have a healthy and meaningfull life. Bon voyage. Enlil Ninlil 04:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Holy man - Good man

My dad is from Perast, mum from Tivat - both Montenegrin Yugoslav. hahha Boscovich Serb ...c'mon some history books also say Tesla was Croat American, but we both know Tesla is Serb in origin and those books have it wrong, don't trust Britannica. Boskovic is Croat by last name and by origin no doubt, take my word for it, to say he is Serb is just bollocks. I did read once that he did lie about being related to Serbian nobilty for some reason but he was found out, not sure of full story but i think this is where the Serbs get the so called facts, but it was proven he was from a poor Croat family and not Noble Serb one. Who cares, Boscovich is known as Croat/Italian..let it go.. I think the main problem is Boscovich name is found on Serb currancy and buildings etc..so Serbs need to push this Serb pov. I see a lot of Serbs on the net trying to come up with Serb Nationalist theory on all famous Croats and Croatia.....These people should be blocked from Misplaced Pages.

Re Marco Polo...many sources eg Yule and many Italians wrote about him being Dalmatian and not Italian...there is evidence right or wrong..non bias evidence is there...most articles on Marco Polo do mention his possible link to Korcula and Croatian origin, this is no new Croat pov...I mean the reason its come up more in forums now is the fact before under Yugo to say you're Croatian got you locked up. You couldn't call Marko Polo Yugoslav could you hahaha...catch my drift.. The documents are interesting and i will need to study them more before i shoot my mouth off. I knew a Serb wrote them. Like i said many times before there is some truth there.

Something tells me, LOGIC tells me we're all the same people just took up new religion and settled new areas...if this is the case ..why are we debating origin and why are we fighting????

You have made some good points Holy man, they might be unpopular with some but i think they are close to the money

I agree with Panonian I don't want get into Politics.

Iam open to new thoery on anything but i dislike heavy serbian pov passed on readers as some real fact. People need to be fair and go along with what we know now...any new theory is possible....look at DaVinci Code...sounds realistic but is 90% fiction...but still some people debate that its truth...you can't win with people who are hell bent on lies and trying to covert modern thinking.

Re Croatia and Serbia...if you check the Iranian websites (Search Iranian Croats) theys seem to think the Serbs are Croats..the site is Iranian so i giess unbais...it also goes on to say that Yugoslavia burnt the evidence so our people would continue to think of themselves as Slavs and not Iranian in origin....interesting read....also place names in Iran tend to relate more to Croats by name and less to Serbs. I think they could be the same people too...

Re Andric ...why does wikipedia have Andric as Serbian Croatian Yugoslav, yet for Tesla have just Serbian American...after all Tesla was born in Croatia and grew up Croatian....Andric wasnt born in Serbia and has no link to Serbia.... This is what Iam talking about....Serbs have to be fair when editing on wikipedia. Andric should be Croatian Bosnian Yugoslav only...no mention of Serbia should be made until 3 paragraph..right..The editing on Misplaced Pages is very Serbian pov. I have no problem with Tesla being Serbian American. To be fair if you say Andric is Serb you could say Tesla is Croat as the later is more connected to that country...understandEvergreen Montenegro1 01:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC) i have contacted panonian about this injustice...maybe he can fix it........ i would like to see Tesla as Serb only and Andric and Boscovic as Croat only as this is correct, any other thoery is nationalistic pov Serbian and Croatian.. Evergreen Montenegro1 01:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Enough said..Take Care.........

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Evergreen Montenegro1 23:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Question

If Bosnians and Montenegrins are Serbs in origin why do they prefer to use latinica like Croats and not Chirilica like the Serbs??? In the part of Montenegro were my parents are from only Latinica is used and all record books are in latinica only. I think the same goes for Bosnia.

Why???If they are all Serb origin why not use Chirilica text like the Serbs.....

Evergreen Montenegro1 05:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Connection?

Hmmmm, Ive noticed something:

• The Seurbi(Celtiberians) tribe of Lusitania.
• The Sorbs(White Serbs) of Lusatia.
• The Suevi(Germanics) of present-day Germany-Poland (White Serbia?), migrated to Galicia-Lusitania.
• The Serboi of course.

Do you see the possible connections?

• The Vettones of Iberia-Galicia-Lusitania
• The Wends (Sorbs).

The name Serbs is one of the old Slav tribal names. This is attested by the traces from Polablje, Velikopoljska, and Pomorje (the three provinces belonging to Poland today). As early as in the mid 10th century the Serbs on the Balkan peninsula were aware of their links with the Serbs living in the north of the Slav original homeland. Even the learned emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus (913-959) of Byzantium and his intellectual circle heard about the Serbs who had been brought from their homeland "White Serbia" by one of the sons of the ruler of the "unbaptised Serbs" in the time of Emperor Heraclius (610-640).

You follow?

Boka Kotorska and Bosniaks

Holy Roman, you didnt get back to me bout what you meant?

i assume you are talking about my claims of the ever growing Greater Bosniak

BiH traži Boku? http://www.slobodnadalmacija.com/20060616/bih02.asp --Jadran 02:36, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back!

I heard that you were going to spend little time on wiki - but glad to see that you're back! :) P. S. remember me? --HolyRomanEmperor 12:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Half back, but should be back for a few weeks now. I've been back up to maybe 12-15 hours a week; I'm hoping to push that up to 20 or so for the next month or so, but then it will fall off again; I don't expect to be back hardcore until some time in September. - Jmabel | Talk 16:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: AGAIN

Na sto mislis? Smiren sam, ne mogu se sjetiti sad na sto bi mogao taj komentar biti :) --Joy

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problem

Reci :) --Joy 21:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Mislis ono sa Emirom Arvenom? Da, to sam pustio tebe da mu objasnjavas, ali to ne znaci da ne mislim da bosanski kraljevi ne spadaju u sve tri nacionalne povijesti :) Mozda se ukljucim. --Joy 15:23, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Pa, ako se dobro sjecam, verzija na koju si ti revertirao je ukljucivala clanak u nacionalne povijesti Hrvata i Srba, a njegova u nacionalnu povijest Bošnjaka. --Joy 15:35, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Odgovor

Znam da se moj nadimak piše sa dva N, ali nisam to znao kad sam registrovao nick (tada mi je engleski bio malo slabiji). Inače neko je već registrovao nick User:PANNONIAN, ali to samo zato da mene zajebava. :) PANONIAN (talk) 15:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

vlada u egzilu

Hej,

Ako bi mogao molim te pogledati Republic of Serbian Krajina Government in Exile i Talk:Republic of Serbian Krajina Government in Exile... mislim da si ti cak i ciljana publika :o) --Joy 16:31, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ma predobro... trebalo bi biti losije :)) --Joy 14:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah, ma ima reklama za cokoladu gdje neka zenska kaze za cokoladu "prelijepa je... trebala bi biti ruznija!" :)

Sto se tice RA, naravno :) --Joy 14:50, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:

Milo Đukanović will not face defeat and will be PM of Montenegro for a second time. Without him, Montenegro wouldn't be a country. Second of all, since Montenegro is a new country, his terms before didn't count, so, he can't face defeat because a lot of Montenegrins (including myself) support him all the way. Alright, then I'll wait until the Montenegrin language will become official, then I'll try to start up the Montenegrin Misplaced Pages again. Hope the next time, you support it. Also, less extreme circles will face defeat because DPS is the most popular and will always be like that, so there is no chance those other guys will win, only DPS will win. Crna Gora 17:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Neither of us live in Montenegro. You live in Serbia. You don't understand. Albanians and Muslims support him. I bet they forgave him for handing over Muslim refugees. Have any proof of your Serb estimates? no, you don't. Milo is by far nothing compared to Milošević. By the way, you're spreading Serbian Propoganda. Well, stop doing that. How did Milo "violently" take over? Why do you think he handed over those Muslim refugees to Bosnian Serbs?, because he was afraid of Milošević, just like everyone else. Why do you think he support Milošević, because he was afraid of him. How is Milo a sympathizer of Jevrem Brković? Besides, I don't care about that. He can't force the Montenegrin people to do anything for him because the country is free. How is Milo an Italian mafia boss? Why would Montenegro turn over Milo to the ICTY? Only Serbs and other unionists of Montenegro would do that. Why would Milo want independence so that he could more further formalize his dictatorial grip over Montenegro? You've got to understand this, Montenegro will always be free, no matter what now. We all know that Milo is a well known smuggler, who really cares. Bottom line, Milo is not an absolute ruler of Montenegro but has great political power and great support and yet Montenegro is and will always be free. Crna Gora 18:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ja ne mogu da verujem da ti održavaš konverzacije sa ovim prostakom. Pogledaj šta je napisao ovde. Ja sam mu rekao da više neću da pričam s njim, a on mi je ostavio neku poruku koju misli da me je kao "povredila". Čak i da sad prekineš kontakt s njim, gnjaviće te još danima, veruj mi. Mislio sam da si ti na malo višem nivou, ipak si dobar korisnik, za malo i admin. Drži do sebe. -- serbiana - talk 03:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Ej

(Greškom) sam ti odgovorio na User talk:HolyRomanEmperor/Archive5, ali ga ne bih pomjerao odatle, kako bi ostalo u kontekstu. Pozdrav, Duja 09:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Demografic History of Pristina

Hi HRE, I agree with your opinion on the ideas behind the article creation. I have added a mergeto tag. As I know for a fact that someone has been wikistalking me recently (both the usual suspect and the newcomer), you may expect this to be removed. I sincerely have not much energy left to fight fanatics. Hope you are OK. Cheers, E Asterion 18:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Re:

That argument about me being banned from Serbian Misplaced Pages was something about Boris and me. Boris pissed me off, just like he keeps doing. Just forget about it. Besides, how'd you find User:CrnaGora/Montenegrin_Books? I got that from my talk page on Albanian Misplaced Pages. I think Hipi Zhdripi gave them to me, suggesting that I start up a Montenegrin Wikibooks. Those books are actually excerpts from books, I think. There I told you. Bye Crna Gora 19:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Samo da znaš da je CrnaGora izbrisao moj glas sa Mete, iako sam mu napisao da sam napustio SAMO englesku Wikipediju ovde. Kao što vidiš, bio sam vrlo prijateljski raspoložen, a on mi obrisao glas. Ja ga nisam izazvao, sam od sebe je popizdio, znamo zašto. -- serbiana - talk 23:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Znašli zašto sam poludio, eh zbog tebe. I evo da ti kažem ovo opet. Borise, ja nisam znao da nisi napuštio Vikipediju i Meta. Samo sam mislio to zato što si napuštio Englesku Vikipediju. Kol'ko puta moram da ti kažem ovo. Izvini što sam ti nabrisao tvoj glas. Taman sad si prevršio svaku mjeru, Borise. Ja sam ti rekao evo ne koliko puta i još komplaniraš da sam ti obrisao glas, pa sada hoćeš a kažeš svime, e. Ti si stvarno ludna budala. Ćao Crna Gora 01:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hey HRE! Long time I heard from you, everything okey?

I saw this: "Serbs think they are unfairly picked on by the West; Croats feel they are unfairly portrayed as Neo-Nazis; Bosniaks continue to cultivate their victim status from the Bosnian War and Kosovar Albanians can't think straight whenever they hear the word "Serb"." Based on my own experince of Balkan this is a very good explenation of Balkanization. Is it your own quote? Take care - Litany 19:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey HRE

Do you know what is the problem with Boris Malagurski? He seems like he wants to get every Serbian and you to turn against me. He's got to understand that I have anger issues and can't control my anger when someone really pisses me off. God, what is the matter with him? Ok since he doesn't want me to contact you and since we have major differences, I'll stop contacting you, except for really important things. Ok? Bye. Crna Gora 01:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I would never stop posting messages on your talk page. Sorry for that. I guess we have something in common, both of us are Montenegro and we have been attacked by Boris. Ok, sorry. Bye Crna Gora 17:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

cekaj. je li, kad sam ja to tebe napao bre? --serbiana - talk 18:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

koliko se secam, ja sam se gorko borio da budes izabran za admina.... a ti mene optuzujes da sam te napao... ili se mozda ulizujes nikoli stevanu banerovicu... --serbiana - talk 18:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

a za to sto nikola lupeta da ocu da okrenem srbe protiv njega je cista laz. meni ne trebaju drugi da mi pomognu da se otarasim nekih ljudi, mogu to i sam. mada, ovog sam jedva otkacio, ostavljao mi je poruke i molio me da ga oprostim nekoliko puta. kod mene nema zajebancije. --serbiana - talk 00:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

well...

you obviously lied that time, saying that you're against something, and then supporting it... i don't take it personally and neither should you. aggressive and rude? well, duh, i'm serbian :-) --serbiana - talk 21:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Image:Stefan Nemanja povelja.JPG

Did you know that you could actually upload this to commons.wikimedia.org, so that all Wikipedias can use the image? -- Zanimum 16:08, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

...but it's easier for me as a concentrate to work on this wikipedia solely. If there are any specific desires (Thy wish, perhaps?) I will have no problem in wrapping it up right now... --HolyRomanEmperor 19:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You seem to have misinterpreted my comment. I wasn't suggesting you add it to Commons, and then place the image on every single language's project. I was suggesting you upload this or any future free image to Commons. Once on Commons, any contributor from any project can use it at any time in the future, without directly uploading it to their own project. It takes the same amount of your time as uploading to Misplaced Pages directly, but it saves time for other users on other projects. -- Zanimum 19:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

The mop

Re:

Yes HRE, we are OK. Don't worry about it. I supported you on your recent RfA. See you later. Crna Gora 16:16, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

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ok

Of course, you know I respect you, even if I don't like some of your actions and opinions. You're an intelligent person and a great asset to this Misplaced Pages. We're OK. --serbiana - talk 18:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: My adminship

Hello! I believe you will be a good candidate, but I can't hide concerns about your limited experience in the Misplaced Pages namespace. Good luck with your RFA! -- ReyBrujo 20:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, don't worry. I knew you were sincere, that is what you get to learn after interacting with a lot of users. I added my justification for not voting support so that if anyone else arrived here he would not find just a "Good luck!" message, but instead a justified messge. You know, I don't really like the cross talking with single words that may be misunderstood by thirds :-) -- ReyBrujo 20:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: That arguement...

And just why are you telling me this now? It's been how long... 2 Months? --Krytan talk 23:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious? --Krytan talk 01:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Because it wasn't that big of a deal. --Krytan talk 18:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

re:I remembered you were saying...

Yeah, I left for a while, but you know me, I return eventually. :-) — The King of Kings 00:52 July 02 '06

WP:BDC

I know you meet the requirments... but our leader has to accept you. GangstaEB (talk • contribs • count • ice slides) 01:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Incident Log

Hey HRE. Question, did you have to make that Incident Log about me? and why did you make that incident log? Just wondering. Maybe Boris made you do it, maybe not. Don't know what to believe. Don't even bother answering me back on this because I think you should've done this to see what the heck his going on between me and other users or should I say conflicts. Hahaha!!!! Bye. Crna Gora 05:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the incident log is bad, I think it's good a good idea to make an incident log, though it might ruin my chances of becoming admin one day (Per say the part when Boris and I had that conflict on Serbian Misplaced Pages and then brought it here) Crna _e Gora 05:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Smile

Crna _e Gora has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Have a Barnstar...

Hey HRE. Thought I 'd drop in again. I decided to give you a barnstar, though I should've done it a long time ago. Sorry for the wait. Already put it on your user page. Hear's how it looks like, just to get a preview. ...Bye HRE. Crna _e Gora 08:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re your msg on my talk page

Thanks fo ryour message HRE. I read everything correctly and stand by my position. A self-reported 3RR blocks is still a 3RR block. Concerns from RfA 3a and and sheet number of conflicts remain important issues. To answer your 2nd question, we have met before once. Someone put up an article in Serbian on AfD and I read it as best as I could given my Russian fluency - and then I called you to come and comment on whether my assessment was correct - and you did. Good luck and sorry for my vote. - CrazyRussian talk/email 18:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)