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Hey. Welcome to my talk page. It's a place where you can leave me messages. Please do not leave templates unless it is absolutely necessary. See also the essay WP:TEMPLAR. I am a lady, so please do use female pronouns, but I won't fault you for not doing so accidentally. (I can be a bit masculine sometimes!) But anywho, don't hesitate to give me some critiques, invoke some discussion, or anything like it! Thanks.

Should I ask at the tea-house about this kind of behavior?

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May I ask how you found this dispute ? This appears way out of your area of interest, and the only way you could've all of sudden become interested in it is if you've started following my edits for some reason. Volunteer Marek  20:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Volunteer Marek, description of the changes is sufficient: WP:BRD. Your edit was the bold one. Article was stable before your edit on October 17th. You can not push a new version if is very controversial, and reverted by another user, see BRD. Simply. Franek K. (talk) 20:26, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Recent changes and you shouldn't be creating bad faith theories that somehow I'm following your edits. Additionally, appealing to WP:TEAHOUSE is kind of useless because I really don't comment there spare once in a blue moon, and really only check it out once it's been linked in Misplaced Pages-en-help. Not to mention that they don't have any authority for me or my edits. But if you're meaning getting a second opinion, I'd love for them to tell you all about WP:BRD and how you made a bold edit and you yourself should get consensus for it. Which is true, you made the bold edit to the otherwise quiet template on October 17th, got reverted, continued reverting and reverted it again today. You're in the wrong regarding the 'edit warring' going on. Tutelary (talk) 20:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Right. Out of the hundreds of recent changes you somehow pick one of mine, and jump into an edit war. And you revert per... per nothing really. It's not like you've been involved in this topic, not like you've discussed anything, not like you've shown interest. Your edit summary basically says "I'm reverting you because you reverted someone". That is a text book definition of edit warring.

And there's not a single policy on Misplaced Pages which privileges the status quo. Who cares if the page was stable before? And in fact, it wasn't. Franek K has been been edit warring on that and related pages for a few years now. Always going up right to the 3RR limit then backing down, coming back a few days later to continue. But like I said, "page was stable" is NOT a reason to revert somebody. Especially on an article/page you haven't edited before. Volunteer Marek  20:31, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:TALKDONTREVERT. This obligation applies to all editors: consensus can be assumed if editors stop responding to talk page discussions, and editors who ignore talk page discussions yet continue to edit in or revert disputed material may be guilty of disruptive editing and incur sanctions. Nobody continued to respond to any talk page stuff in the earlier version and the edit was thereby gained consensus, there for a month and a half without any trouble at all. I recommend you seek dispute resolution rather than continuing to edit war. You did a bold edit, again and got reverted. You don't get to renistate your preferred version. Tutelary (talk) 20:36, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Uhh... I did talk. I'm on the talk page. Are you? No? Then why are you edit warring? And if sources support me, then yes, I do get to reinstate my preferred version.

And let's be honest here. All kinds of junk makes it into Misplaced Pages articles all the time. Often because some tendentious user with an agenda manages to get it in there. And very often it stays in there for months if not years. Just because something idiotic manages to go undetected for a month and a half absolutely does not mean it has "consensus". And the idea that "page was stable" is a valid reason for reverting is fundamentally against Misplaced Pages's very nature of an ever evolving and improving encyclopedia.

And like I said. You didn't comment. You didn't discuss. You just jumped and started edit warring because... apparently just because I'm the one who made the edit. Not nice. Not tea-house nice at all. Volunteer Marek  20:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Dear Volunteer Marek, look at the facts: for a long time there was a version of the article (commonly called a "stable version"). This is not my version, this version was before my coming, see history of changes. One day you come and change template: very controversial change. Other users - in this case, I'm - reverted this very controversial change according to the Misplaced Pages:BRD and you begin edit-war. So, this is unacceptable. Franek K. (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm not listed on the Teahouse's host list nor do I intend to represent myself officially with the Teahouse in any sort of capacity. The only thing I mentioned is that I saw the post at WP:TEAHOUSE and decided to act. It's an open forum, mainly for helping newbies to Misplaced Pages, anybody can comment, lurk, act on posts made there, or anything of the sort. The insisting that this is somehow related to the Teahouse is absolutely out of the question. Then why are you edit warring? And if sources support me, then yes, I do get to reinstate my preferred version. Kind of funny that phrasing. "Why are you edit warring?" while saying that you can edit war if the sources are in your favor. No, you don't get to edit war in any type of situation (barring any WP:3RRNO scenarios). I don't care how many sources are in your favor, you don't get to edit war it back in and that bright red line is at 3 reverts. Though you can be blocked for simply edit warring, which I think any reasonable person would see on the page that that is occurring. All in all, please stop fretting because I decided to revert your one bold edit which you sought to reinstate continuously. Tutelary (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

One more time. I have been discussing the issue on talk. You haven't. I have provided sources. You haven't. There's a difference between someone who reinstates a version which is supported by sources after discussion, and someone who just out of nowhere jumps in to edit war for no reason except that they apparently dislike one of the participants in a dispute. Or even just because they imagine themselves to be some kind of "BRD Police", so they go around reverting people nilly-willy on articles they have no interest in or knowledge of. Volunteer Marek  21:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

You really need to stop with this behavior of following my edits around and jumping in to revert me whenever I'm in a dispute, on articles you have not edited ever before . Volunteer Marek  21:31, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you could elaborate on why you saw fit to exchange Vladimir Putin's headshot with some image of him getting nice and cuddly with a Dolphin? Tutelary (talk) 22:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Sure. As soon as you explain why you're following around my edits and jumping in to revert me whenever you get the chance. Grudge or something? Not nice. Volunteer Marek  05:53, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

second Afd for Shabbos App

Nomination of Shabbos App for deletion

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P.S.- I had to send it twice since the Misplaced Pages system had an old inactive e-mail address on my account. The 2nd e-mail is from the current correct account. Thank you! -OberRanks (talk) 13:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Topic ban

I'm new to Misplaced Pages and can't figure out where to go or what to do to get Ryulong banned from participating in the Gamergate controversy. Can you explain to me how to go about doing so? Thanks. I've looked around but I don't see a course of action. Willhesucceed (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I guess there really isn't any doc that explains it. From my experience, it has to be community consensus at WP:AN or WP:ANI, whichever one works. Only reason Titanium got his outside of that process is due to the fact that it was under BLP discretionary sanctions, which administrators have a big sort of leeway with and can use that to topic ban or even block editors. I'd gather up a bunch of diffs of any evidence you have before you start one, and maybe email it to me; I've known from experience that what appears to be bias to editors involved with it, actually won't carry any weight. Tutelary (talk) 21:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I already have those collected. How do I send them to you? Should I just post the links here? Edit: I don't have article diffs, I have talk page infractions of him being abusive, engaging in bad faith, etc. Willhesucceed (talk) 21:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I'd prefer you email me them, as I'd like to speak freely and bluntly regarding it. Tutelary (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I didn't see an email address anywhere, so I went ahead and posted it all under Ryulong's request, and asked the admins to give them a lengthy ban. Thanks for offering to help, anyway. Sorry for wasting your time. Willhesucceed (talk) 08:47, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Would you explain to me how to email someone from Misplaced Pages for future reference? Willhesucceed (talk) 08:48, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

@Willhesucceed:, For users that enable it, it's on the left hand side, titled under 'tool's and remarked as 'Email this user'. Sorry for getting back to you this late. I've been disillusioned in a bunch of aspects on Misplaced Pages. Tutelary (talk) 22:03, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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Stay off my talk page

I note that you didn't similarly warn Diego, who is also over 3RR. Your bias in the matter is apparent. I don't need warnings from you and I formally request that you not post on my talk page again. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 21:54, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, you can't really file a report for edit warring if the person hasn't been warned. Consider that your warning for that, then. That's all well and good, but since you're essentially booting me off from your talk, any issues I have with you will then be posted to a noticeboard rather than trying to work something out; that's the nature of your request, and kind of iffy because I just posted a notice but whatever. Tutelary (talk) 21:57, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Please read this notification carefully:
A community decision has authorised the use of general sanctions for pages related to the Gamergate controversy.
The details of these sanctions are described here.

General sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimise disruption in controversial topic areas. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to these topics that do not adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, our standards of behaviour, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. An editor can only be sanctioned after he or she has been made aware that general sanctions are in effect. This notification is meant to inform you that sanctions are authorised in these topic areas, which you have been editing. It is only effective if it is logged here. Before continuing to edit pages in these topic areas, please familiarise yourself with the general sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.

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In case you were unaware.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 22:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)