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About the removal of this article...

No, this article should not be removed since Tim Canova is a prominent newcomer in the Democratic party by now. It should, however, be rewritten as it reads a little bit like a propaganda piece.

--95.34.13.104 (talk) 00:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree that Canova's bio should be part of the discussion. However, the are statements of political position and perspective that are presented as facts, which they are not. This reads like a fundraising piece and is not worthy of Wiki. Kdfgpp (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Denial of access to voter info

A great many Misplaced Pages editors looked at this article because of its nomination for deletion. None expressed any reservations about the mention of endorsements and denial of access to the state party database of Democratic voters. In particular, the issue of denial of access was raised with respect to the national presidential campaign and after a great deal of publicity about it, that decision was soon reversed. The denials have brought the issue of party establishment partisanship favoring some candidates over others to high visibility, and it is therefore notable. Activist (talk) 06:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Debate resistance

I have deleted the language that inaccurately attributes the attribution of Wasserman Schultz's resistance to debates to Canova's campaign rather than solely to herself. The cite from the Broward-Palm Beach New Times was backed up by embedded video in the cited story and in the headline of the article itself. This is not a question of "He said, she ain't sayin'," but of established fact. There is readily available video of Wasserman Schultz on numerous occasions refusing to answer to simple, direct questions: Is she willing to debate Canova? In at least one such case, the same staffer who is seen in the New Times cite is seen pushing away a reporter's camera. Hoping not to clutter the article with numerous references to those videos, I have not used what is an appropriate but deleted characterization of her various responses, that she has "repeatedly" refused to respond directly to those direct questions posed by different reporters. Activist (talk) 00:22, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Greetings. I added the words "according to Canova's campaign website". This is not a "weaselly phrase" as you characterize it but quite the opposite: it reports facts. Until we have reliable, third-party sources explicitly reporting and corroborating Wasserman Schultz's "refusal to debate" we cannot be listing it as fact in a Misplaced Pages article. Misplaced Pages is not a political forum. Until such sources are found, we have to properly assign the source for the "not debating" claim. Labeling something as a "refusal" without the term being used by a third-party, reliable source is clearly a personal point of view. The only fact that we have is the Canova campaign claim. If we are to mention a "refusal" we are obliged to mention the source. Simple as that. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 19:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm skeptical of the Broward Palm Beach New Times article. In the second paragraph, I read that Ms. Wasserman Schultz "has been roundly — and rightly — criticized for taking money from less-than-upstanding corporate industries like payday lenders." That's not the tone newspapers typically take. However, it might be reliable anyway; I'm not sure, so I left it alone.

Also, I don't think you'd be able to use the videos you mentioned to support the proposition that Ms. Wasserman Schultz is unwilling to debate Mr. Canova: putting aside reliability problems, it would be impermissible synthesis as you would be combining "material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." Rebbing 20:07, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

The Broward-Palm Beach New Times is most definitely a "...reliable, third-party source." It is a well established weekly paper in south Florida, part of the Voice Media Group. It was originally part of the Miami New Times, founded in 1987, but split off in 1997. Both papers share the same editor and have won many prizes as have other publications in the small group. I'm more familiar with other papers in the group such as the L.A. Weekly, Phoenix New Times and Denver Westword all of which I've been reading for over a dozen years. As I'd noted previously, I did not get the information about her refusals to answer the debate question from the Canova campaign, but instead rather from the cited Broward-Palm Beach New Times article which is entitled a rather unequivocal Debbie Wasserman Schultz ducking questions about debating Tim Canova. I had also noted that a video clip of her statement to which the story referred is embedded in that newspaper story. Coincidentally, I was watching Hardball with Chris Matthews and his guests on MSNBC last night. During their discussion Canova was mentioned by name, as was the possibility that she might be removed before the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. This they said, was because of increasingly widespread upset with her DNC chair performance, and that this was likely to be a factor in their primary. Activist (talk) 10:59, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

The article's title and meaning are clear—as is its partisanship with regard to Ms. Wasserman Schultz. If reliable, I believe this falls under WP:RSOPINION: "Some sources may be considered reliable for statements as to their author's opinion, but not for statements asserted as fact without an inline qualifier like '(Author) says...' A prime example of this is opinion pieces in mainstream newspapers." Rebbing 14:11, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Very Biased

This article reads like a pro-Canova piece of campaign literature. Needs a lot of work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.18.14.65 (talk) 19:48, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree, and I concur in your changes, especially your removal of irrelevant material. Rebbing 21:00, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I changed the deletion about the importance of the two labor endorsements Canova has received. They are significant, as the citation for the source notes in its headline, because they were made despite considerable political establishment pressure, and also because they have large memberships. The CWA, with over 600,000 members, is about the 12th largest in the U.S. The NNU is fairly new, is growing rapidly, and has a membership of a little under 200,000. There are "national unions" with only hundreds of members, so the substitution is less informative than the original language. Activist (talk) 07:52, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

I changed the union language back to my original edit. (sorry I forgot to sign it) I think calling them two of the nation's "largest unions" is very misleading language.Hashbron (talk) 18:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Requesting an end to vandalism

@Bluestategirl:@Crrl333:@WillMorganSeattle:@Bluestategirl:@Montoya44:@MrWooHoo:@Rebbing Re: Notability. Such may be in the eye of the beholder of course, but in this case, the subject of the article, well known only in academic and progressive political circles beforehand, raised about $3 million in seven months in $20 average contributions, got over 43% of the vote in a district where the demographics greatly favored the officeholder and where the incumbent's name had been a household word for decades. He took on one of the most powerful members and most prodigious fundraisers in congressional history in a primary and turned it into one of the most watched congressional contests of the year, the results reported on by many major networks today (8/31/16). He mounted an impressive and substantial challenge despite her endorsements from Barack Obama and many other national figures, and got fundraisers held in the district attended by Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Congressman John Lewis, Gabby Giffords, many prominent labor unions, etc., etc. Her campaign received roughly 2/3rds of a million from just a single SuperPAC, the Patriot Majority, which did intense polling, mailers, etc., to assure her rescue from her own foolishness. http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/08/embattled-wasserman-schultz-getting-help-from-washington-super-pac-104456 As a result of attentiion to disclosures precipitated by his campaign and her inappropriately using what is mandated to be an impartial party apparatus for her own personal political advantage, she and her personal four top appointees at the DNC were forced to resign and she wound up being booed at the nominating convention by the same Florida delegation where she had been a "favorite daughter" at the end of 2015. Though it would be difficult to quantify, her behavior has indubitably damaged the campaign of Hillary Clinton herself, as the Florida stink adheres to the person who has given her the title of "honorary campaign chair." So notability is being questioned by an anonymous IP editor (probably from Lincoln, Nebraska), who, if actually so inclined, could likely find millions of articles about truly non-notable subjects with the click of a mouse, and whom we are being asked to credulously assume has not "in good faith" deleted wide swaths of extremely well-sourced material from the article in the past months under that editor's USER name. "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln," as the old saying goes, "...what did you think of the play?" Activist (talk) 02:00, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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