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Hi Doug, I'm Robert ( RobCZ ) and I think the last correction must have been five years ago on the particular year we are in according to this interpretation of Yoekteshwar. Swami Yoekteshwar wrote his Holy Science in 194 Dwapara ( 1894 ), thus currently we are in 316 Dwapara. Kind regards Robert, Amsterdam, Holland
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Hi there. Hope you're good. I am noticing some constant controversial edits to Mahidevran Gülbahar. Can you please protect it as there is a clear sign of vandalism. Much thanks in advance! Worldandhistory (talk) 14:16, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
- Hi, Worldandhistory, looks like it's just one editor. If they do that again I'll block them. Doug Weller talk 14:21, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you for noticing and responding. Hope it will stop. Worldandhistory (talk) 14:32, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
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- Insights and Interpretations, ed. Colum Hourihane, Princeton University Press, 2002.
..reliable for medieval history(royal genealogy)? The section in question is authored by Judith K. Golden. Your thoughts? --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:38, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
- Kansas Bear, why wouldn't it be? Doug Weller talk 13:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
- Well, I guess the art and archaeology seemed, to me, to place them outside the realm of historical research. I thought it might be a reliable source, but since it had information I could use, figured I should get a 2nd opinion. --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:45, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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Dear Doug. I translated a small part of an interview into English fto aid discussion on the talk page of the article 2016 Nice attack. That was because non-French speaking editors were unable to read the content and parts of it had been used as sources in the article. My translation was removed as a copy-vio in this edit. This does not seem correct as a translation is just a parpahrase, but in a different language. I have restored my translation. How can we even discuss French language articles if editors are deleting translations in this way? The removal was made by a non-administrator. Mathsci (talk) 16:35, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- Hello. Mathsci, why do you think we even bother to write an encyclopedia, if it was OK to just translate everything from other languages? Regards, Biwom (talk) 16:38, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- But sometimes we do do just that. For example Chateau of Vauvenargues is essentially a translation of a French booklet by Bruno Ely. No translation is word for word. And obviously some bits I combined, but most of the article is essentially a translation. Copyvio does not apply to translations by wikipedians. And this content was written to help other editors on the talk page. Here is another example: A solis ortus cardine. The translation form early Christian Latin was prepared by me. I had a glossary for the poem of Sedulius and two very recent English translations. But please let Dougweller reply. You have removed my translation twice. Mathsci (talk) 16:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. If that had been a copy of an English text it would be too much, IMHO, and thus copyvio. Let's ask User:Diannaa who does a lot more copyvio work now, or see if User:Moonriddengirl is around. I'm a bit worried if we have an article that is a copy of something Bruno Ely wrote. Doug Weller talk 17:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I have actually asked Moonriddengirl, who gave a partial reply. She said that a translation of a copyright article was still a derivative work so WP:NFC still applies. Perhaps a short paragraph is OK, since its purpose it to help discussions and provide context. I'm waiting for her reply on that. I might also ask Diannaa. I had forgotten that she's a copyright expert.
- I'm not sure. If that had been a copy of an English text it would be too much, IMHO, and thus copyvio. Let's ask User:Diannaa who does a lot more copyvio work now, or see if User:Moonriddengirl is around. I'm a bit worried if we have an article that is a copy of something Bruno Ely wrote. Doug Weller talk 17:06, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- But sometimes we do do just that. For example Chateau of Vauvenargues is essentially a translation of a French booklet by Bruno Ely. No translation is word for word. And obviously some bits I combined, but most of the article is essentially a translation. Copyvio does not apply to translations by wikipedians. And this content was written to help other editors on the talk page. Here is another example: A solis ortus cardine. The translation form early Christian Latin was prepared by me. I had a glossary for the poem of Sedulius and two very recent English translations. But please let Dougweller reply. You have removed my translation twice. Mathsci (talk) 16:57, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- When I went to school and university, French O-level (and Latin) was a prerequisite. But now we have this bizarre situation of editors with no knowledge of French trying to write an article on France and French issues, where in many cases the only sources are in French. The Calcutta Telegraph has been used as a source; and it turned out to be highly unreliable. For the same reason that going for an Indian meal in France is a recipe for a disaster. A Tunisian, Moroccan or Vietnamese meal will be cheap and delicious. In the UK I have had excellent Jamaican goat. Mathsci (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing#Translation has some information on this topic. Proper paraphrasing means you re-write the content into your own words: presenting the material in a different order, replacing unique phrasings, summarizing the content, etc. What you did at Talk:2016 Nice attack is translate (not paraphrase) a source article and posted it on the talk page without paraphrasing. That is not okay, as it is a copyright violation, and should not be added to any part of this wiki, not a sandbox, user talk page, article talk page, or article. The excerpt is far too large to qualify as fair use. A short excerpt would be okay, as would a summary of the key points in your own words. Sorry, — Diannaa (talk) 19:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I already did what you you suggested with my last edit describing another source. As I explained to Monriddengirl, in the case of the source here, I really only needed one short paragraph. Some editors might object to hearing about a paraphrase. If that happened, they could always be advised to brush up their French. Mathsci (talk) 20:48, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing#Translation has some information on this topic. Proper paraphrasing means you re-write the content into your own words: presenting the material in a different order, replacing unique phrasings, summarizing the content, etc. What you did at Talk:2016 Nice attack is translate (not paraphrase) a source article and posted it on the talk page without paraphrasing. That is not okay, as it is a copyright violation, and should not be added to any part of this wiki, not a sandbox, user talk page, article talk page, or article. The excerpt is far too large to qualify as fair use. A short excerpt would be okay, as would a summary of the key points in your own words. Sorry, — Diannaa (talk) 19:15, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- When I went to school and university, French O-level (and Latin) was a prerequisite. But now we have this bizarre situation of editors with no knowledge of French trying to write an article on France and French issues, where in many cases the only sources are in French. The Calcutta Telegraph has been used as a source; and it turned out to be highly unreliable. For the same reason that going for an Indian meal in France is a recipe for a disaster. A Tunisian, Moroccan or Vietnamese meal will be cheap and delicious. In the UK I have had excellent Jamaican goat. Mathsci (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Moved from User talk:Woodroar
Dear Doug, Thanks for you reply herewith request you to clarify about the word god in Viki it has been mentioned that it has derived from Sanskrit I need your opinion on what basis they allowed as the word God derived from Sanskrit that means the editor of that bags has no idea about the history of the language as I understand Sanskrit It self created around B.C 5th century only from the language called TAMIL, BRAHGRATH & BAALI, but the word கடவுள் is used from the age of stone in Tamil, moreover if you analyse 2 out of 5 words of Sanskrit is from Tamil. How you people can accept that the Sanskrit is the ancient language of India, for your kind references i would like to inform you that the name India itself from 65 years only if you wand to know the earlier name the subcontinent you have to come to the ancient language of Tamil only. If you are a true researcher please revisit the research and identify the true history of Languages.
Thanks and Kind regards
Amir Ali (அமீர் அலி)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Amiralif80 (talk • contribs)
- User:Amiralif80 No, Tamil is Dravidian, Sanskrit Indo-European, they derive from different language families. I am not 'you people'. The name India derives from Indus, as does Indies. I don't know who told you the name India is only 65 years old as that is obviously wrong. See for instance where I see a book published in 1813 with the name India in the title. Doug Weller talk 18:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- I can't begin to figure out how this ended up at User talk:Woodroar, but it appears to have been meant for you. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- {{yo|Ian.thomson]] Thanks, the above editor is a follower of Devaneya Pavanar. Doug Weller talk 18:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Ian.thomson: trying again. Doug Weller talk 18:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I didn't know the name, but I had a sense he was operating out of some Tamil-centric worldview. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:17, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- @Ian.thomson: trying again. Doug Weller talk 18:12, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
- {{yo|Ian.thomson]] Thanks, the above editor is a follower of Devaneya Pavanar. Doug Weller talk 18:09, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Advice on ARBPIA
Doug. Could you do me and my colleague WarKoSign the courtesy of looking at both my page and Israelites. The suggestion is that any article from high antiquity regarding the Israelites, then the Jews, comes automatically under ARBPIA3 because it affects the legitimacy claims of Jews to Israel/Palestine. I'm fucked if I know why citing one of many scholars who note that Samaritans are descended from Israelites is read as delegitimizing Israel, but the principle suggested is that ARBPIA can be inferred to apply. If you'd prefer to stay off this one, for whatever reason (it's late etc.) could you get another admin to look at it and clarify. Thanks.Nishidani (talk) 21:29, 26 July 2016 (UTC)