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Moved per consensus. --Pkchan 13:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Exact Date

Is there an exact date to when the 2010 World Cup starts? For example, on the Euro 2008 page there is a date listed:

"...from 7 June to 29 June 2008."

How about a similar phrase for this page? It'd also help me out too. Thanks. JJMan 22:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

10 June 2010, so far as I know. I'll need to check up on it for confirmation though. — Impi 00:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

10 June 2010? Thanks very much, I can use that :) I'll just check back every so often to see if there's any updates. JJMan 9:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Qualified teams

Whats this about Qualified teams? Scotland? This has just been made up SouthEastLad 08:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Bids - Nigeria?

The article reads "On May 15, 2004, FIFA's Executive Committee voted in Zürich by 14 votes to 10 to award the finals to South Africa over Morocco. Egypt received no votes."

In the statements prior to this, Nigeria is mentioned as having bid. Explanations are given for Tunisia and Libya (both withdrew), South Africa (14 votes), Morocco (10 votes), and Egypt (0 votes). What about Nigeria? Did they withdraw, or receive any votes? - Slow Graffiti 17:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, Nigeria didn't bid. Vaud 02:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Last world cup ever?

With all that has been speculated from what will happen on December 21th of 2012, could it be that this might be the last world cup ever? El Chompiras 20:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi El Chompiras and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although Misplaced Pages is familiar with the end of the world, we need to abide by a number of guidelines formulated over a considerable period of time by numerous editors. One of these is Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball and, hence, we do not take such matters into account in articles dealing with subjects such as the World Cup. Once again, welcome to Misplaced Pages. -- Alias Flood 02:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

At least there will be a Euro before that in 2012 ;) User:Drogo 22:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Cape Town Venue

This page http://www.stadiumguide.com/wc2010.htm states that the already existing Newlands Stadium will be the venue in Cape Town while Misplaced Pages state a new stadium will be built. Who's right? --84.57.73.64 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Where does it say that the Newlands stadium is already existing? It says the stadium will be Inaugurated in Nov. 2007, which means it will host its first game then, sounds to me like its being built. Vaud 14:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Note that Newlands stadium is a well-known stadium that has been used for the last several years as a rugby union venue - notably in the Rugby World Cup 1995, as well as for annual major Tri-Nations rugby games vs New Zealand and Australia. The stadium seat about 60 000 which is fine if the city wants group games and maybe a quarter-final, but not quite enough for a semi-final - therefore a new stadium is on the card in the nearby area of Greenpoint which can seat 80 000 plus - this to ensure that Cape Town, one of South Africa's and the world's top tourist venues gets maximum value from the 2010 event - Michael, Cape Town

Contingency plan

According to the source , FIFA officials not only discussed a move to the US, but also discussed the possibility of staging the tournament in Germany again, or have I misread that? Blur4760 19:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like you're right. Kingjeff 19:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I read the article a little fast, partly because the US rumors have been floating around US fandom for a few weeks now. --198.232.63.43 21:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

This has since been dismissed by the FIFA President. I updated the article with a reference to reflect this. I think it was just another example of undue 'Afro-pessimism.' Lionchow 23:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Australia are now talking about their chances, should FIFA pull the tournament away from SA Muzza79 21.09, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Crime Expo

The information that has cropped up about the Crime Expo South Africa web site seems promotional or at least POV. I have cleaned it up a bit, but I'm not sure if it should even stay on the page. I think that crime information is important in the build up before the Cup, but I'm not sure if this is promoting this web site and what Misplaced Pages's policy on that is. Also the section just does not fit where it is and it's formatting is pretty poor. Even the Expo page itself is pretty poorly formatted, but that should be discussed on that page and not here.

Thoughts? --Rballou 19:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I've deleted it. I would encourage anyone wanting to reinsert it to seek consensus here first. To me it seems like a one-man campaign and therefore pretty non-notable. --Guinnog 19:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Could you perhaps then point to South_Africa#Crime at least? (from 198.54.202.82 at 16 August 2006)

I will work on adding a link to this information. --Rballou 02:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Please stop adding information about the crime expo to this page. I have added a link to the South Africa Crime section. This is not the page to add information about the crime expo. The expo has it's own page and it's inclusion in Misplaced Pages should be discussed there, not on this page. --Rballou 17:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

YES FIFA 2010 is a page to add information about crime in South Africa. A significant number of South Africans are concerned with crime. There is absolutely no way that this event can take place in South Africa in four years time with crime at the existing levels or anywhere near it! Crime is important in this discussion! Do not impose cencorship by removing the crime discussion. In thirty-one days of war in Lebanon (July-August 2006) over 1,100 people died in that conflict. During the same period, 1750 people were murdered in South Africa over the same 31 days - that is 57 people a day! (The source for this statistic is the Democratic Alliance chief whip Douglas Gibson in a debate in the South African parlament.) Surely crime is of critical importance to visitors to FIFA 2010?

Crime is a valid concern. Linking to this scare site does not seem ok to me. --Guinnog 12:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

That site has no place whatsoever in this page, and I wish people would stop trying to spam every single South Africa-related page on Misplaced Pages with it. At most, it requires its own page, it certainly is not notable enough (or representative enough) to be used every time crime is mentioned with regards to South Africa. Furthermore, South Africa's crime rate is no worse than it was when FIFA's technical committee judged South Africa capable of hosting the 2010 World Cup, with the committee reporting that crime was not bad enough to be a showstopper. This really shouldn't be a surprise, the country hosted the 2003 Cricket World Cup and the 2002 World Summit without a hitch, despite both events bringing in tens of thousands of naive tourists whom one would think would have been ripe for criminal pickings. Nobody denies that crime is a problem, but it is nowhere near bad enough to prevent the successful hosting of the 2010 World Cup, and nor is living in SA in any way comparable to living in an actual warzone. Further, it seems to me that the objective of Mr Watson and those who so vehemently back his site is not to find the best way to reduce crime, but rather to scare away tourists and attempt to have the 2010 Cup moved to another country. I've yet to see any credible explanation of how such tactics will help reduce crime and make tourist areas safer, instead they seem calculated to help turn SA into the failure such people evidently desire it to be. Impi 16:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

A Misplaced Pages article should be balanced. Misplaced Pages should not favour one article above another. There is a link from the Crime Expo SA website to the 2010 FIFA world cup. Why can’t there be a reference back to it?

Balance 2010 FIFA World Cup article

Misplaced Pages articles should have as much information as possible relevant to an article. Crime is an enormous problem in South Africa. South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world. This world map shows the top 10 countries cith the highest murder rates--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The crime was also high in South Africa at the time FIFA awarded the 2010 World Cup to South Africa, but it does not justify the removal of links to articles that show the high crime rate in South Africa. --NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The South African tourism industry does not want any references to crime. People supporting them would therefore want to remove all articles pointing towards the high crime rate in South Africa. Therefore they want to suppress access to information by deleting the link to the Crime Expo SA website.--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Indicating, and pointing towards criticism of the Crime Expo SA article balanced the Crime Expo SA article. This article on the 2010 FIFA World Cup should also be balanced.--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

This article should not favour any point of view on crime in South Africa. It should just show the facts. The reaction of Politicians in South Africa towards the Crime Expo SA website indicate that it has struck a “raw nerve”, therefore all the critic and reaction. These people would not like to have any references to the Crime Expo SA article for personal reasons. This should not play a role in a Misplaced Pages article.--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages should not favour one article above another. There is a link from the Crime Expo SA website to the 2010 FIFA World Cup article. Why can’t there be a reference back to it?--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Because the 2010 FIFA world cup is linked to South Africa, it is justifiable to have a link to the Crime Expo SA article. It would not have been appropriate if the World Cup was held in another country.--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

It appear as if there is people here that are very anti Crime Expo SA.These persons want to remove the link for personal reasons. Personal opinion does not belong here. I am not for or against this article. All I want to do is to create a balanced article, based on available information & research, that show all the relevant facts. These facts cannot be changed.--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

IN ORDER TO BALANCE THE ARTICLE, A REFERENCE SHOULD BE MADE TO THE CRIME EXPO SA ARTICLE IN THE 2010 Fifa World Cup ARTICLE.--NdlovuX 01:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't shout. See Impi's point above. A link to this article is not needed here --Guinnog 01:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I have added a link to the South Africa section on Crime on this page and I do not think we need to link specifically to this site or article. If we did, we would need to link to all of the pages that relate to crime in South Africa, not just the crime expo page (and this is not an acceptable solution). If you search news about the world cup, crime rarely comes up, at least at this stage and so I feel that heavily endorsing crime related articles creates a unbalanced lean towards the viewpoint of Mr. Watson and others. Currently, most people feel that crime is a problem in SA, but not a deterent for the event. This page is not the right place for this link. --Rballou 15:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Disagree The crime expo SA website was created to warn 2010 FIFA world cup supporters about crime in South Africa. It is therefore very relavant to this article.--NdlovuX 00:54, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

It is also very interesting that there is alledged corruption in FIFA, where personal interest is placed before the interest of FIFA supporters. (see wikipedia article of Andrew Jennings). The Crime Expo site also made the remark that people in the SA tourism indistry is more concerned about making money from the FIFA 2010 World Cup, than about the safety of tourists (FIFA supporters).--NdlovuX 01:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

First of all, Crime Expo SA does NOT represent the views of all S.Africans, nor is it even close to being an authoritative source when it comes to crime. At most, it is a controversial aspect of the debate over crime, but no more than that. It does not belong on every single S.Africa related page, nor even on any of the pages dealing with crime in SA, except where the public debate is discussed. Secondly, you have yet to explain why SA was able to handle the 2002 World Summit and 2003 Cricket World Cup without a hitch (or significant criminal activity against the thousands of tourists), yet would somehow be unable to host the 2010 Football World Cup because of an identical level of crime. In fact, all the available evidence, including FIFA's own Technical Committee report (no allegations of corruption there, btw) is unanimous is stating that SA's crime level will not prevent a successful hosting of the World Cup. So tell me, just what is your agenda? — Impi 16:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

There is no good reason to include any references about crime on this page at this time. By 'good reason' I mean a reason that fulfills wikipedia's requirements for inclusion. There is no reference to a reliable and reputable source for this assertion just for starters. Provide that or delete it. I'm tagging it now and will delete it soon if no one does so. Even if someone can provide that, I will still argue that it should be deleted. Lionchow 21:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Since no one provided a source for the crime statement, I deleted it. Next time when someone makes a claim, they have to make a reference to a reliable and reputable source. Lionchow 16:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

The Crime Expo South Africa website was created to inform 2010 FIFA World Cup supporters about the crime situation in South Africa. It was the reason for its creation, and is therefore relevant on this page. There should at least be a reference to the Crime Expo South Africa Article in the Article. This article should be informative, and readers should be informed about the existance of the Crime Expo South Africa website on this article. In the interest of "Freedom of speech" and "access to information", information should not be deliberetely withheld from a Misplaced Pages reader. Therefore a reader should decide if he / she want to do any further reading, and other editors should not prohibit wikipedia readers from obtaining information, due to personal opinion or interests.--NdlovuX 21:06, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Does it strike anyone else that the article is imbalanced as it stands at the moment? The lead-in sentence is fine, but then the article immediately goes into SA not being ready and the World Cup being moved etc. This casts a very strong POV on the article. The main content of the article should be about the sporting side of the event itself, with another section devoted to the organisation of the event. The concerns about SA's readiness should be in a sub-heading dealing specifically with that issue and what has been stated by FIFA, SAFA, the government, etc. It has after all received much press coverage so reliably sourced and balanced viewpoints are not hard to find. On the other hand the concerns over crime are misplaced and should not be overly represented. After all, the Cricket World Cup was only 3 years ago, and last year we were bidding for the Rugby World Cup 2011. I don't recall a single squeak about crime surrounding either of those events. Zunaid 10:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Agreed and I have created a new heading for it to keep the intro clean and simple. By the way, all other World Cup articles intros seem to follow a standard layout (when it was held, when it was awarded to the host city etc.) perhaps we can correct this article to that form too? --Deon Steyn 10:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I also had a look at the 2006 FIFA World Cup article, which seems to be presented in a fairly logical and consistent manner. However, that is mostly due to the tournament being finished and there being a lot of material to write about. Since the 2010 tournament (or even the qualifying) hasn't started yet, there is very little info we could include here. For the time being (i.e. the next couple of years) it is likely that the format and style of this article will differ from the "standard layout". Zunaid 12:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Crime in South Africa & 2010 FIFA World Cup

Here is an article that shows the crime in South Africa, with a refernce to the 2010 FIFA World Cup.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1159998616870&call_pageid=968867503640&col=970081593064&t=TS_Home

"South Africa is plagued by violent crime. There were 19,000 homicides there in 2004, the second worst per-capita rate in the world aside from Colombia (a country which, incidentally, gave up the 1986 World Cup). Plans are in place to hire 11,000 police officers and dramatically increase electronic surveillance."

Therefore a refernce to the crime in South Africa is very relevant on this page, because it is one of the major problems faced by the 2010 FIFA World cup to be held in South Africa.--NdlovuX 20:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

We've been through this before on the South Africa page. The CrimeExpo website is found to be biased, factually unfounded and harmful. Get a more balanced website if you want to post this kind of thing up. Until then, www.crimexposa.co.za has been decided by the majority of Wikipedians to be non-suitable for any South African page. Please stop posting it up.

Stuart Steedman 08:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Criticism section

I suggest the criticism section to be expanded. Currently it gives too little information, especially as details about the indicivual commonly accepted criticisms against the decision to award SA the 2010 WC. I can start off with a few. Comments and suggestions please. --WickedHorse 14:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the tag, it was not used appropriately, because the section is no longer a stub. The section can be modified like any normal Misplaced Pages article, in fact some would argue that it is already too long. I don't see entire sections listing every instance of criticism in other World Cup articles. This section should be kept in check, because there aren't any "commonly accepted criticisms against the decision to award SA the 2010 WC". There are only some reports, mostly from a limited sections of – conservative/right wing – South African media sources. Almost the entire world and South Africa support the decision to host the World Cup in Africa for the first time and South Africa in particular. Dedicating large sections of the article to this non neutral pov is incorrect. --Deon Steyn 05:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

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