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Hi, welcome to my talk page! I'm only human and I make plenty of errors -- if you are here to complain about a tag, a warning, a deletion, or something I've said, please assume good faith. If you've had any kind of issue or misunderstanding in your dealings with me, there is an excellent article/essay on Misplaced Pages editors with Asperger Syndrome found here that might help. This user has Asperger's. If you're here because of an editing issue or a revert I've made to one or more of your edits and you feel I've made an error, please leave me a civil message on my talk page. Being rude will get you nowhere. If you have erred, chances are I'll help you get round it and over it, but I don't like game players When you leave a message on my talk page and a response from me is appropriate, I will reply to you here, not on your talk page. Having half a conversation on a talk page and going back and forth between pages is unnecessarily confusing and a pain in the ass. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 23:43, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

"It’s now very common to hear people say, “I’m rather offended by that,” as if that gives them certain rights. It’s no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I’m offended by that!' Well, so fucking what?" --Stephen Fry

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Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas Winkelvi!!


Hi Winkelvi, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia! ,
   –Davey2010 14:00, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Davey! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas !!!

Spread the Christmas spirit by adding {{subst:User:Matty.007/template/Christmas}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message. If everyone who got this put it on two talk pages, we would have... lots of Christmas spirit! Have fun finding links in this message!

— 22:02, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Captain Raju! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:48, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

ho, ho, ho

Thanks and happy holidays, Coolabahapple! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:47, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's greetings

Hi Winkelvi, many thanks, and all the best to you too for Christmas and the New Year. SarahSV 03:04, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Sarah! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:47, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Heddwch ac ewyllys da

		Compliments of the season Wishing you all the best for 2018 — good health, sufficient wealth, peace and contentment
		Cheers! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones  ‑ ‑ 18:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Right back at you, Gareth. If I could speak Welsh, I would return the greetings in that fashion. But I won't even try (or pretend to try with Babel Fish)! Merry, merry to you and yours :-) -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 18:46, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's greetings

I must admit I was surprised to receive a holiday greeting from you, but the sentiment is appreciated. I hope you have a good holiday season yourself! Any fun plans? --Kbabej (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Just want to say...

...I'm happy we seem to be getting along. I mean that absolutely sincerely. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:29, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Same here. Best wishes to you for a very happy and prosperous New Year! -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 00:33, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Revert for B. Shelton's "Legacy"

Hi, you reverted my "Legacy" section. In the interest of being civil like you ask, I wanted to say I feel like you're missing the point of the word "legacy" and I wanted to explain why I think that.

Blake's legacy is tied to his impact and the opinions others have of him and his work (critics and peers). That's the whole meaning of the section. I didn't put it up there to sing his praises or be "fansite-ish"as you say, (although I'm a fan). I put it up there because others'words like "reigning traditionalist" and "one of the most prominent mouthpieces for the genre in the mainstream” speak to his work (ex. "traditionalist" has to do with his sound and the type of country music he makes which is tied to his legacy), and the mark he's left in country music through The Voice (ex. "Mouthpiece for the genre"). He is the genre's mouthpiece and face and one of the most recognizable country stars today aside from Garth. (The sentence I just wrote may be seen as "peacocky" but the truth of the matter is that people like Luke, Jason, Dierks, etc. are not nearly as recognizable outside of Nashville as Blake is. For reference, Taylor Swift was the undisputed and most famous face of country before she left for pop.) So you see? It is truly one of the things that separates his legacy from the "legacy" of the rest of his male contemporaries (i.e. Luke, Jason, etc.) who don't have the Voice as an advantage to help their impact. I didn't put those sources up there to fawn over him. I put it because it's true.

These words are how he's going to be remembered (aka "legacy"). The thing that's unique about Blake's legacy as opposed to other country artists is that it's in two parts: the individual impact he's had as a country singer and the impact he's had on country music as a whole through The Voice. I specifically separated the section by putting critics first, peers second, and influencers last. You didn't alter the first paragraph (critics) so thank you for that. You also left Trace and Miranda there for peers but I specifically included Reba and Merle Haggard because they are country icons expressing admiration for Blake, not just contemporaries like Miranda and Trace. I included their quotes because their words stem from the legacy Blake has built for himself.

Lastly, I thought it was important to put quotes from the CMHOF and the Opry because they're respected organizations and not quotes from people like a had been putting so far. I put Cher and Gwen there to show the WIDER impact that he's had beyond country itself, reaching a level his male peers haven't (again, alluding to the difference in his legacy as opposed to theirs).

So you see? I'm not cocky and I can compromise so I'm not gonna sit here and say "What I wrote was perfect! How dare you!" but at lease 75% of what I wrote is relevant and serves a specific purpose and has a reason for being there. I took the time to explain the purpose of all of what I wrote to you. Also, look at Carrie Underwood's "Legacy" section on her page. I modeled it almost identically to that so please take the time to look.

For compromise purposes, what I'm going to do is revert it back to my version and take some of the unnecessary meat off and include parts of your version so we can meet in the middle about the "praise" issue. P.S. "Accolades" are in the "Achievements" section that's below "Legacy" 47.36.25.87 (talk) 07:46, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I didn't revert, I trimmed it down. Considerably. Which needed to be done. As I stated on your talk page, we can't bloat articles and we can't add peacock words and gushing content that is just accolade after accolade after accolade. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site - we add just enough to get the point across, we don't go overboard. Which is what your additions amount to. And please don't edit war. If you continue to be headstrong on this, you're risking getting blocked from editing. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 11:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Winkelvi!

Winkelvi,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages.
–Davey2010 00:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

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Lainie Kazan

You're absolutely correct about the run-on sentence; it just took me a minute to realize it and I apologize for my initially changing it back. It's now close to your version.

However, I need to stress that we can't just unilaterally restore a reverted edit without discussion — and giving other editors less than a single day, during the busy holiday season yet, is not good-faith WP:BRD, nor is reverting without consensus. I ask you not to edit-war but to try to achieve talk-page consensus. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:41, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

My actions resemble nothing close to edit warring. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 01:44, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

That said, I agree with you that the major Louis C.K. edit just now should be discussed first, and I said so on that article's talk page. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:24, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

And I'm in complete agreement with you at David Cassidy and Samantha Fox as well. Could this be the beginning of a collegial friendship? No one would be more amazed than me. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:39, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Truth is, Tenebrae, we will likely disagree again in the future, but the thing to remember is that when we do, neither of us should take it personally or see it in terms of WP:BATTLE. If we approach any future disagreement in that manner, all should be well and collegial editing together and around each other will continue. Agreed? -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 21:38, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Of course I agree. I never wanted anything different. I don't believe I started the battle mentality, and your doing things like an obviously untrue 3RR claim that an admin quickly dismissed perhaps indicates that. I'd like to proceed on a collegial basis, and I think we actually agree more than we disagree, so I would maybe ask you to rein in certain impulses and I will try to do the same. I would only ask you please offer the benefit of the doubt on grammar and copy-editing ... it's what I do for a living, for decades now. Fair? --Tenebrae (talk) 16:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Sigh. On what planet is it good policy and a sincere, altruistic gesture to offer an olive branch only to jerk it away and then apply conditions to the receipt of it? Ugh. It doesn't matter at this point who started what and I'm not the first person to take you to AN3 due to your aggressive and slow edit warring tactics. No one here cares if you are a self-proclaimed professional editor or not - we all have to follow the same rules and are supposed to be here for the same reason. Bottom line: Either you truly want to get along and play nice all the time in a business-like manner or you don't. I'm sure as hell not going to bow at your self-constructed altar first before taking your conditional and loaded "peace offering". I guess it's shame on me for allowing you to fool me more than once. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 16:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

A belated thank you (and happy 2018!)

Hello Winkelvi - just posting to thank you for the Christmas and New Year's greetings. I was on a wikibreak and did not initially see them. Best wishes for a happy 2018! All the best, Patient Zero 13:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	I appreciate your contributions regarding my topic ban as well as your thoughts on Arbitration Enforcement. --MONGO 13:07, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much, MONGO. I see that the TB has been lifted. You're a great editor. I'm seeing too many great and good editors being pushed away lately due to the kind of behavior I noted at AE. My hope is that with this happening to well-known and long-time prolific editors such as yourself, more people will sit up, take notice, and something good will come of it all. Take care, sir. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 14:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Murder of Ingrid Lyne

Thank you for responding to the thread I've posted on the article's talk page. I'm hopeful that others will take note of the thread and offer us their opinions. I've got a few talk page stalkers and I'm pretty sure you do too, so your note on my talk page and this note here should get us at least some feedback. David in DC (talk) 15:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The Kingfisher (talk) 17:27, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Winkelvi. You've come up twice on my watchlist in the last day or so and I thought I'd take a stab at seeing if this helps with your thinking:

• Misplaced Pages is not a country club or a family party. It's akin to a workplace of an international company. Now, say you walk into the office cafeteria filled with people from all around the world, most of whom you don't know, and say, "x is a shithole country". Is that professional? Is that collegial? Or would you get walked down to HR to have a talk?
• Take the same situation but now you want to talk about x's racist comments which have been all over the news and called out as racist. There are supporters of x in the room but is it something they haven't heard from mainstream news outlets? Are you deliberately and unnecessarily trying to provoke your colleagues or trying to have a conversation analyzing the comments?

--NeilN 19:16, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I hear what you are saying and I agree, NeilN. No, I'm not deliberately trying to provoke anyone, I was merely expressing exasperation over something so really minor being made into something really major -- stuff that I think shouldn't even be happening here to begin with. I don't know if you saw my response to Davey2010 at AN/I, but what he said made sense to me, essentially it was what you've said here, and it caused me to reconsider my comments there as well as at SJ's talk page. I've stated pretty much the same at Bishonen's talk page, as well. Thanks for coming by to give a logical visual that is based in reason. I do appreciate it. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 19:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I wasn't implying you were trying to provoke anyone. The "you" was a third person usage "you" --NeilN 19:35, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah, okay. I see now. Thanks for the clarification. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 19:40, 15 January 2018 (UTC)