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Article reassessed and graded as stub. --dashiellx (talk) 20:26, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Added some images

Hey! I added some images. She's been in the news a lot recently as a congressional candidate and I thought it'd be cool if her picture in the infobox reflected her more recent activity. Totally cool if someone wants to shift the pictures around some. Nomader (talk) 06:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

A-10 Enforcing No-Fly Zone

The article as well as some of the source material asserts that McSally flew A-10s in support of enforcing the no-fly zone. I thought that enforcing the no-fly zone was left to aircraft such as the F-15 and F-16. While I imagine an A-10 could be useful in destroying SAM sites and such, I haven't found any specific information on how A-10s were employed enforcing the no-fly zone. I think it would be good to either provide supporting information or rewrite to clarify the A-10 role. Quickfoot (talk) 18:30, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Senate election

I hate to use the biographies of living persons policy as a blunt instrument, but someone claims in the lead section that Ms. McSally is running for US Senate and provides only one citation, which is a broken link to the WaPo. A quick search for her name on Google News turned up nothing to corroborate that claim, so I'm removing the claim for now. Airbornemihir (talk) 15:33, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Military band funding

"While Army band funding has been the subject of congressional debate since the early 20th century, Arizona Republican Martha McSally spearheaded the most recent efforts to review military band structures in 2016. In her speech to the house, she criticized the half-billion dollars spent annually on military bands, stating that such funds would be better directed toward national defense. The approved amendment required the military to limit and review band activities." (https://www.myheraldreview.com/news/community/fort-huachuca-band-completes-final-mission-alumni-community-reflect-on/article_445feec0-7354-11e8-9457-570141ad1072.html) 18 Jun 2018 --Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 04:11, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Donald Trump subsection is undue weight

I have removed the subsection on Donald Trump per WP:UNDUE. The article is on McSally and her political career, not Donald Trump. Trump is not an "issue", nor is he the reason why Arizonans voted for her. They did vote for her based on her positions on the issues: Abortion, Russia, Education, Environment and energy, Foreign and defense policy, Health care, Immigration, LGBT rights, Women's rights, and Taxes. The current president simply does not belong in that list. Case in point: have there been BLP articles on Democrats that have had Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton in the political positions sections? No.

And so, this is where discussion on the removal should take place, not in edit summaries following a reversion. I could be making a WP:BEANS move by saying this, but I will happily take a stand against anyone's choice to revert rather than taking part in discussion. Yes it was a bold ('B') move to put it into the article, however, my removal should be considered the 'R' (revert) in the WP:BRD cycle. Time to discuss in order to come up with a solution rather than further revert or start an edit war and become part of the problem. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion was started, but Snooganssnoogans is nowhere to be found on this page, rather, he chose to revert instead. This is becoming a habit with you, SS. Time to start an RfC later today if you can't find your way to this talk page and bring some salient, logical, and policy-based reasons why "Donald Trump" should remain listed as a subsection in the political positions/issues section of this article. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 14:28, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

This is covered by RS, making it WP:DUE, as I explained in my edit summary. RS have extensively covered McSally in the context of her relationship to Trump. You'd know that if you'd check the sources rather than stalk me to this page (and a few other pages in recent days) only to spuriously revert me. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

It might belong in the article, it doesn't belong as a subsection in the section where it currently sits. Doesn't matter how many RS's you come up with, it's the section placement that's the issue, not the content. This was clearly spelled out in my edit summary after removing the content as well as the comments I placed above after removing the content. Yet, you just reverted anyway. That constitutes edit warring behavior, disruption to make a WP:POINT and WP:POV-pushing. You're not a victim, by the way - it would probably be best for you not to continue with that kind of crying-wolf self-narrative. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 15:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

The sub-section is perfectly fine. Anyway, if that was your true concern (rather than just harassing me), you could have moved the content to a different section. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Or you could have, as a show of good faith. Nonetheless, putting the content in the appropriate sections is a good idea, and I have already done that. Thanks for the suggestion - that's how cooperative and collegial editing works. It's also why discussion is preferable over edit warring. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 15:18, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

"The sub-section is perfectly fine." I wrote two sentences, and they were not hard to decipher. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

You reverted the changes... really? Why would you do that? I guess you've forced the need for an RfC. That will happen later today. It was avoidable, but you chose to go a different direction for the sake of WP:WAR, WP:DISRUPT, and WP:POINT as well as WP:IDLI. Yikes. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 15:30, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Because I think "the sub-section is perfectly fine". I quoted and bolded it again for you. You know, in case, you didn't see it the other two times, because you're now running around Misplaced Pages claiming that I wanted to delete the sub-section. Views on Trump are perfectly fine in 'political positions' sections (if the content in question is reliably sourced), and are frequent in politicians' articles, including Democrats Joe Manchin's and Heidi Heitkamp's. If politicians have extensively sourced views on other figures, such as Hillary Clinton (as in Heidi Heitkamp's article) or Barack Obama (as in Dan Lipinski's article), then that content also goes into the 'pol positions' section. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:45, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Making a unilateral decision isn't in your scope, SS. Neither is it in mine. Especially after what you've done is called into question and challenged. That's why we have things like consensus and discussion at talk pages: to keep all of that from happening. You made a suggestion, it was a good one - and made sense, so I followed through with it. You then reverted yet again, without further discussion, based on your own unilateral WP:IDLI decision. That's not how Misplaced Pages works. I am starting to see, however, why you edit war so frequently: you think you know what's best for the 'pedia all on your own. Like I said on your talk page: you're going down a very slippery slope. Do you seriously not want to take a look at what you're doing, how you're doing it, and why after you end up blocked for disruption and edit warring? -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 16:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

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