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Remved 1911 text:

In 1911, each midshipman was paid $600 a year, beginning with the date of his admission; and he must bind himself to serve in the United States Navy for eight years (including the years spent in the academy) unless he is discharged sooner. The course of instruction is for four years -- "final graduation" comes only after six years, the additional years being spent at sea -- and is in eleven departments: discipline, seamanship, ordnance an 1 gunnery, navigation, marine engineering and naval construction, mathematics and mechanics, physics and chemistry, electrical engineering, English, modern languages, naval hygiene and physiology. Vessels for practice work of midshipmen in the first, second, and third year classes are attached to the academy during the academic year, and from early in June to September of each year the midshipmen are engaged in practice cruises.

The academy is governed by the Bureau of Navigation of the United States Navy Department, and is under the immediate supervision of a superintendent appointed by the secretary of the navy, with whom are associated the Commandant of Midshipmen, a disciplinary officer, and the Academic Board, which is composed of the superintendent and the head of each of the eleven departments.

Needs to be checked before being put back in. --mav 01:07, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

NPoV

The edits of 131.122.37.113 about 04:19, 2004 Nov 23 (UTC) seem non-neutral point of view. Hu

Rape Statistics

We need to include in this article rape statistics -- dont ask -- but if it's pertinent for the USAFA article than it should be in here -- unless we base all of our "encyclopedia" articles on newspaper articles...

Why should we have rape stats for the Naval Academy unless we have them for every other college described on here?
- I concur. This would constitute a non-neutral viewpoint unless it is information we provide for all universities. The case of the Air Force Academy is different as the investigation and the depth of the problem has clearly become a part of the history of the institution.

Ray Trygstad 21:05, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I look forward to being able soon to add well sourced information that the atmosphere at the Naval Academy has greatly improved but fail to see any basis for removing well sourced information regarding the current situation and past incidents. Fred Bauder 14:40, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

I corrected the sexual assault statistics. If we're including them, they may as well be correct. - A Midshipman 06 DEC 2005

Make a separate wiki for Academy issues to include sexual assault, honor, gays in the military, prayer, and athletics. These are issues that exist, but should not be included in the wiki about the school. Example: I do not see statistics for how many gays were reported, how many complaints about prayer were reported, or how many people were kicked for honor. Example: Other colleges experience more sexual assaults than any of the SAs, but I do not see statistics included on those pages.

Notable Graduates

The "Graduates famous outside the Navy" should probably me merged with the the other notable graduates. Jimmy Carter certainly acheived his greatest notoriety oustide the Navy, yet is not in the outside the Navy group. John McCain is notable both for his naval service and his post-naval career. Only three astronauts among dozens graduated from the Academy are listed. One of the most well known USNA graduates, astronaut James Lovell is not listed. A deputy assistant cabinet secretary is listed, but 5 secretaries are not. The whole list needs to be rationalized in terms of who to include, and their organization. 24.209.173.129 06:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think naming Cape Leahy is Adm. Byrd's claim to fame. If no one objects, I'm going to remove it.24.209.173.129 07:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC) . No objections, so I removed it (now on famous graduates page).-- MayerG 06:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC) (same person as 24.209.173.129).

Admissions

The USNA does admit non-americans. their website does indicate some sort of admissions process for internationals.

That's true. I've changed the article accordingly. A small number of international students (<20) are admitted each year. They tend to be from smaller allied/friendly countries that lack their own academies (e.g. Jamaica); "big" allies (e.g. France, Britain) tend to send exchange students from their own military education programs. The number and country of origin of international students is listed in the Class Profiles published by USNA (cited in note 1). MayerG 19:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Here are the exact figures for the class of 2009, from the Class Profile: "The Class of 2009 also includes 11 international students from the following countries: Guyana (2), Honduras, Ireland, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritius, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, and Thailand." MayerG 04:24, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Croquet!

I found the previous depiction of the Navy's performance in the annual SJCA/Navy Croquet Match to be rather misleading, as it implied the Navy did something other than suck out loud, and so have rectified this with statistics showing quite clearly that the opposite is true. I wish the Middies good luck this spring; if the past is an indication, they will need it. 69.140.12.199 01:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

GA nomination

As much as I am interested in reading the article, it has no references, and thus is unsuitable for good article status. There's nothing that can done to avoid the necessity of good references for good articles on Misplaced Pages. Harr o5 05:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Er, references appear to be there in the form of external links. ⇒ SWATJester Aim _Fire! 06:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
- They need to be formatted into a references section. Harr o5 06:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
In reality a great deal of input to this article is firsthand knowledge by present and former Midshipmen which is often not easily documentable. Here's one example: I am certain that somewhere there is a document which lists the 36-to-30 company conversions supporting the point that 28th company, which supplies the USNA Croquet Team, used to be 34th company, but I guarantee you is is very obscure and not easily accessed. This is not to say that there should not be some supporting documentation, but do we have an acceptable format for citing firsthand knowledge possessed by individuals contributing to the article? I have written/rewritten major portions of this article, and I actually happen to be the guy who created the first unofficial Naval Academy homepage, which later became the official USNA homepage, and served as the Naval Academy's first Webmaster. The fact is that people like me with firsthand knowledge contribute to Misplaced Pages in special ways not equalled by other reference sources, and in ways not always easily documentable. Ray Trygstad 20:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Ok, to some extent I'm inclined to agree with that but what about the things that can be documented like "The Commandant of Midshipmen is currently Capt. Bruce E. Grooms, USN, who replaced then Capt. Charles J. Leidig in June 2005. The Deputy Commandant of Midshipmen is Col. David C. Fuquea, USMC. The Command Master Chief of the United States Naval Academy is CNOCM(SW) Bernard B. Quibilan."? There was probably a press release or some sort of official Academey website report. That sort of statement surely has to be documentable. The problem I have with this article is that there doesn't seem to be even enough effort, let alone actual documentation.TonyJoe 12:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Good Article nomination has failed

The Good article nomination for United States Naval Academy has failed, for the following reason:

(The first, most glaring thing about this article is it's failure to be "broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic."

The history section ends with the institution through World War I. There's about 90 years of history missing. Those 90 years include World War II, desegregation, and the induction of women (later addressed)

Which brings up the point of it being "well written" specifically b "it follows a logical structure, introducing the topic and then grouping together its coverage of related aspects; where appropriate, it contains a succinct lead section summarising the topic, and the remaining text is organised into a system of hierarchical sections (particularly for longer articles.;" It seems to have a lot of things scattered about. For instance, the seperation of the Moral Education section and the Mission of the Article section.

Looking at the recent featured University of Michigan article, I think that a better structure could be thought of for this article, especially given its current content and potential.

References and other citations are a problem too (see above) TonyJoe 12:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sports

Where is the sports' section for the USNA? tdwuhs

28th Company

28th Company needs to be a seperate page. It is bias to give info on one company and not the other 29. (28 sucks anyway) --ProdigySportsman 03:11, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it seems like it's an example of one of the sports traditions at the academy. (I fixed broken link #1). The article references 28th Company, so I can see leaving it in. If the article went on and on about 28th Company specific info, I can see removing it/spinning it off, but it doesn't. If you don't like it, maybe your company should start a memorable tradition! If it makes you feel better, I edited/updated the article to reflect your shipmates' loss in 2006. :) Pesco 22:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I am the one who added most of the info in the Midshipmen Activities about 28's Croquet match with St. Johns. "There is even an unofficial..." It should have been removed and Lenzi (the one who added it) agreed and un-merged it. What shipmate have we lossed in 2006? We lost one in 2005. Oh and by the way my company does have a tradition, croquet. 28 is my company. --ProdigySportsman 16:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

We've had a misunderstanding. On your second point, I was referring to the fact that your croquet team lost in 2006, not a loss of life. I had edited the croquet section to reflect the most recent result. On your first point, when you said "28 sucks anyway" I assumed you weren't in that company. I thought you were bashing 28th Company and the croquet tradition. But I now realize that you were addressing a section already removed talking only about 28th Company not relating to croquet. "Belay my last." Pesco 00:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I am glad you figured it out. --ProdigySportsman 00:54, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

When something mentioned on a talk page is resolved on the article page, please follow up on the talk page. Pesco 01:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Merchant Mariner License?

Is it common practice within some majors for Midshipmen to graduate with a Merchant Mariner's License as Third Assistant Engineers or Third Mates? Federal regulation makes it possible, but I wondered if it actually happens. Thanks. Pesco 22:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

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