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Wait - where did my life go?

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So long and thanks for all the fish

Thank you for all of the warm wishes and generally nice thoughts sent in my direction. I have retired from all Wikimedia projects and turned in all my extra tools as a security measure (we all appreciate those now, don't we?). For those few of you who were disappointed at not getting a whole ton of gossip out of my explanation for leaving (and didn't think to ask me privately, duh) I can only offer this cartoon as penance. Best of luck to all of you and feel free to keep in touch (see above). Shell 11:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

mini-RFC on usertalk...

Hi Shell. Is there any chance that you could nip across to User_talk:Cerebral_Warrior#A_Proposal_by_crazyeddie? There's no trouble to speak of there, but per the subsection comments on the proposal I'm a little concerned by it's venue. It's a good idea, and could be fruitful in putting a final resolution to the issue, but it seems badly placed in my opinion. If you agree, would it be possible for you to move the section to its own page somewhere and merge history for it? I've left a comment on WP:ANI but nobody seems to have been interested. Thanks Crimsone 22:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm..that's a unique way to handle the userpage concern. I'm not sure it needs moved yet though; its harder to ignore your talk page than a subpage. This is rather new territory so it might be worth it to give it some time and see how it works out; it can always be archived or moved elsewhere later when there's a consensus to do so. Shell 23:28, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem Shell. It certainly is new territory. I'm just worried that it might be considered inappropriate. Of course, reading your opinion here does make me feel a little better about it I must say. I certainly agree with the sentiment as you just described it, and I guess it is worth seeing how it all works out :) I'll answer my comment on the page appropriately. Thanks :) Crimsone 23:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

What's going to be really interesting is if Cerebral Warrior decides to remove it from his talk page. Either this is brilliant or its going to cause a serious problem and I'm just not sure which yet. Shell 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, though I suspect that the offensive elements of the user page are going to get removed whichever way it happens - so in that respect it's certainly effective lol. To be honest, that would be the reason as much as anything that I wouldn't like to see a solid precedent from this in the future, although the idea itself is certainly on firm ground. Heck, it could even become the default process for userpage content issues, as it's certainly a quite tidy and fair way for a community to demonstrate it's desire over something. As I said though, the only thing that concerns me is that if the "new message" banner flashes up after every other edit, the user whos page is being discussed may opt to ignore it, making it inconvenient not just for the user, but for any user that needs to contack him/her. Either way, it's pretty fun to watch for now (oops, did I just say that? *naughty me* lol) Crimsone 00:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The POV Page Mina Khel created by User:A M. Khan

Hi, I really like your picture with your puppy.

I just wanted to say that I had previously tagged the page Mina Khel as “Speedy Deletion” because the same was earlier (after reaching a consensus) "Redirected" to the parent article on Marwat. And it happened that you very graciously redirected the same. The User:A M. Khan has once again recreated the same page through another sock puppet and is also repeatedly vandalizing the page Marwat. He was earlier blocked by User:The JPS for some time but as soon as he came back to Misplaced Pages he has restarted this nonsense. We had a long war of vandalizing (by him) and restoring (by me) of the page Marwat. You can see it for yourself that he just wants to advertise his POV through Misplaced Pages. Please look into this matter, as I am once again tagging the page of Mina Khel with a speedy delete because being a Marwat myself, I know that there is no truth in what he is saying. As a matter of fact he had also tried to change the decision of Redirect to Keep on the same page and which I had also reverted earlier. You can also see this at the page history of Mina Khel. His other sock puppets are IP addresses 210.56.14.139 & 203.175.64.10, User:Lakki Marwat,and User:Ghazni Khel. I tried to warn him on his user page but he is still doing the same and laughing into my face. Since I am not an Admin yet therefore, it is my humble request to you to look into this matter and either block this person or stop this person from editing these pages. His other interests are to create pages for one Akhtar Munir Marwat, Anwar Kamal Khan, and Khan Habibullah Khan. I hope to see a befitting response from you. --Marwatt 03:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll help keep an eye on the article - since consensus was to redirect, it should stay that way unless discussion determines otherwise. I've warned this new account Lakki Marwat about edit warring over the article. If you think that all these accounts are related and also using the IP addresses, I would suggest making a request at WP:RFCU to verify this which will allow us to deal with them as a whole and may lead to blocking several of the sockpuppets (if that's what this is). Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help. Shell 03:31, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Spinoza1111's talk page

This user was banned indefinitely for his continued ranting and personal attacks of others. It was suggested that if he returned to rant on his talk page again that it should be protected. He has returned and has been ranting on his talk page here . Do you think you could protect his page? --Kf4bdy 15:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverted and protected - sorry about that, I must have taken it if my watchlist by accident. Shell 20:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

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Make a justice yourself.

I am about whom, User:Marwatt brought so many complaints, that are mentioned above.

I have nothing to say more about saying that please make a justice yourself.

I am guilty for something, I affirm. But whatever I am editing in article Marwat is based upon reality, fact and a trueinformation. The User:Marwatt got some personal enmiy with the people, who I mention in the article. I just don't want that enmity to be brought-up here, as WP is not the property of Mr. USer:Marwatt. I have no more evidence of being a true one, except requesting you to make an enquiry yourself and make a justice by being a nuteral one. Also read USer:Addhoc's comment on USer:Marwatt, you will know the frustration of User:Marwatt at me, automatically.

A sincere and humble request: Please don't start helping one against another editor, untill unless you don't have dialogues with both parties. This may make one hopless and other an aggressive. Please!

Regards,

Your wiki mate, A M. Khan 17:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

If your position in the edit war is correct, you should easily be able to provide sources on the discussion page of the article that support your position. You should also be adding these sources to the article when you re-write it. Edit warring and making multiple accounts to keep reverting is not a good idea; both can lead to getting you blocked from editing for the disruption you're causing. Look over our page on how to resolve disputes: WP:DR. Start by talking to User:Marwatt and coming to an agreement on your differences. If this doens't work, you may want to ask for a third-opinion to help resolve the dispute. The dispute resolution page also has other ideas on how to bring in more of the Misplaced Pages community to help resolve your differences. Shell 23:53, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you Shell it seems I am unblocked.

Many thanks.

swadhyayee 10:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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I want you to know I don't feel neglected

I think we have a new admin coaches chair, and that person is doing due diligence to touch base with all those involved in the program. I'm taking my sweet time learning this stuff, and dipping my toes in deep water (AfD, RfC, 3RR) from time to time. When I do, I seem to hold my own pretty well (rescued an article on my first try!). Will do such more often. I think I will apply for editor review, and then proceed with learning more. I've recently taken on Military Science task force, and have volunteered for volunteer coordination support in Wikimania 2007, so I'm gradually working into deeper water. I'm just not in any real hurry. I have a challenging career; family matters and improved personal writing have occupied priorities, and I'm still making good daily progress in this project. I plan to spend more time in Simple English once I get more established here. So I could see myself running sometime next year. BusterD 13:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You are not being just

User Thulean is vandalizing, ignoring WP:POV and WP:CON and manipulating WP:Ettiquete to achieve these other goals. If I would have said he's a liberal or a communist or a tory, nobody would have said a word. But for some odd reason WP:Ettiquete protects people with a far-right ideology that are precisely those who most vandalize and in the most sophisticated manner. I am just stating the truth, and you should investigate if I am saying the truth or slandering him. It's not a matter of "name-calling". It's a matter of truth, honsety and protecting Misplaced Pages against vandalism and manipulation. --Sugaar 22:45, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, another administrator has intervened in the dispute with a diferent attitude. You didn't post anything in the case but in my page. I'm assuming good faith and assuming you are in fact an administrator but I believe you should post your resolutions in the RFI relevant section too. Else it's quite confusing: for me, for you, for Durova and even for Thulean. --Sugaar 23:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No actually Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy doesn't allow those either. Please try to focus on the content and not the contributors. If you're having problems of that level, I hope you're using dispute resolution. In the meantime, try to be patient and avoid labelling other editors. I was not involved in an attempt to resolve the dispute. Shell 12:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Other administrators don't think the same. I am appealing the warning. Please see relevant discussion in the corresponding RFI. --Sugaar 12:24, 8 November 2006 (UTC)