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This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Kelly Martin is thanked for her long and honorable service. As Kelly Martin and Tony Sidaway gave up their sysop and other rights under controversial circumstances, they must get them back through normal channels. Giano II may, if developers cooperate, be restored to access to the account Giano. He is requested to avoid sweeping condemnations of other users when he has a grievance. Jdforrester is reminded to maintain decorum appropriate for an Arbitrator.

For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, Thatcher131 14:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Oi

Você lembra de mim. Já tenho estado aqui, e tenho escrito a verdade da Wikipédia e o que vc fez comigo, mas me dieram um bloqueio por meus comentários. Somente quero dizer que vou voltar muito logo. Vc não sabe o que vai acontecer aqui – eu planejo escrever piores coisas. Vc tem que sofrer pelo que fez comigo – eu preciso obter a vingança que eu almejo. Os wikipedistas são fascistas – e têm que sofrer. A Wikipédia é uma merda, somente há penetelhos como você que não sabem fazer nada, excepto me foder. Hoje é um novo dia, sabe? Cada vez que vc ouve o idioma português já sabe o que é. Parabéns, vc me zangou – e vou te punir. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oi amigo, como vai? (talk • contribs)

Estava brincado, moleque

You remember me. Already I have been here, and I have written the truth of the Wikipédia and what vc made with me, but me they dieram a blockade for my commentaries. I only want to say that I go to come back very soon. Vc he does not know what he goes to happen here - I plan to write worse things. Vc he has that to suffer for that he made with me - I need to get the revenge that I long for. The wikipedistas are fascists - and have that to suffer. The Wikipédia is an excrement, only has penetelhos as you that they do not know to make nothing, excepto to foder me. Today it is a new day, knows? Each time that vc hear the Portuguese language already knows what it is. Congratulations, vc irritated me - and go to punish you. -- The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oi friend, as goes? (talk? contribs).

He was played, moleque

{{markups}}

Hi, I found this gem when rummaging through departed User:Xiong's stuff. I used it a few times and even fixed a small mistake. I agree it needs work but it's useful. Why was it deleted? I see you left a notice on talk but the link doesn't point to any discussion of this. John Reid 15:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I was at a loss for a while as to what you thought this had to do with me, but I managed to find this.

Basically, notifying Xiong and voting to "userfy" the template was the extent of my involvement.

You will note that it was eventually userfied. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 09:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the link; I've had a look at it. Doesn't seem as if this template started a war; I'm not sure why anybody wanted it gone. It's a useful tool, although I didn't understand the {{helpbox}} at first. That latter gadget is nonstandard; {{tnavbar-mini}} &c. are the standard tools for that function.

Can we bring this tool back to templatespace? Yes, I suppose we can always use it from userspace but that could be said for any template. There was very little discussion on the deletion. I'm not going to argue for undeletion on grounds of improper process but it does look as though the main reason this got deleted was that Xiong pissed people off, got pissed off, or both. I'd like to rewrite it to replace the objectionable "helpbox" with "tnavbar-foo", maybe clean it up a bit; but it will be substantially the same tool. Can we salvage this? John Reid 14:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

your statement

I like your statement quite a bit. I'm not familiar with you though. I agree with you about adminship not being requisite. On the other hand, RFA is a place where people can leave comments, and I can look them up later (like now). And, since I don't know you, I'd be inclined to see what other people I respect have to say. You might consider going up for RFA for that reason, or providing a spot for endorsements (we used to have those, and they were useful), or telling a bit more about yourself. For example, have you been in any serious conflicts? What's the deal with those couple blocks (no big deal probably)? What do you do in real life? Are you a serial killer? etc. At any rate, you nailed the statement for me. Derex 09:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll be happy to answer your questions but you should post them here, so all can benefit. If it's all right, I'll move your questions there and answer. John Reid ° 09:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, they weren't really meant so much as literal questions, but as illustrations of a point. I'd like to support you based on your statement. And I'm encouraging you to find some way to reassure people that you're just a normal bloke, without them having to wade through your edit history. Perhaps that will come in due course though as people familiar with you add questions. However, if you _want_ a question to respond to as a jumping off point, you're welcome to list those four as from me (without the lead-in about RFA). I'm particularly interested in the serial killer one ;) Derex 10:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I'll do that, thank you. John Reid ° 11:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Damn, Chacor's rude. Given that he got desysoped as NSLE (virtually impossible), he's really in no position to be fulminating about not trusting someone for a simple block. Derex 11:05, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and stuck them up. Derex 11:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Asked and answered; feel free to ask for clarification if necessary.

I agree that Chacor has been confrontational but I support his questions as strongly as possible. ArbCom has been granted a great deal of latitude -- perhaps too much. Prospective arbitrators should be raked over the coals, stripped naked, examined with a microscope, and subjected to a certain amount of gratuitous indignity, just to see how we react. I would not have thrown my hat in the ring if I did not welcome questions, including the most hostile -- which Chacor's are not. John Reid ° 11:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm convinced. I, too, have wondered about the profile. But the worst I ever mustered was smearing some poison ivy on a total jerkwad's desk, and that was 25 years back, in middle school. Would sometimes like the power to punch someone over tcp/ip though. Btw, plenty of candidates have been blocked, so it really is no big deal, unless it was a big deal, which it seems not to have been. Cheers & good luck, Derex 11:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I once killed a frog. 30 years ago and I still feel bad about it.

As I've said, I think it's healthy for editors to be blocked and mandatory for prospective admins -- b'crats, arbitrators, and anyone else given any kind of mop or broom. Blocking is not always for putting penises on George W. Bush and it certainly doesn't disrupt anybody's personal life who has a personal life. But it is a strong statement that at least one person thinks you're a dick. Nobody should be handing out those shoes who has never tried them on for size. John Reid ° 12:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Signatures stuff

I noticed your response on the Help Desk to someone asking about signatures, and I noticed you now have a (rather unobtrusive) link in your signature to the questions for your candidacy for ArbCom. I've read your user essay on sigs, and I was wondering what your opinion is on this (basically I think that signature links, which by their nature will be spread around a lot, should be to suitably specific subpages, as yours is, not to the main front page of the topic in question). Also on the topic of signatures, did you see the debate that took place at the Administrator's noticeboard here (plus a continuation of that debate at the Village Pump)? I can remember offhand 2 people whose signatures have momentarily disorientated me before I realised who they were: dab, crz (these are examples of people consistently maintaining a shortened version of their full username, which is OK, if mildly disorientating on first viewing). I could remember lots more if I could be bothered. I couldn't agree more with your comments about how those who are fickle and change their "signame" every week or month at the whims of their latest mood or interest, are merely revealing their (lack of) maturity. Carcharoth 10:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I thought about that inconsistency. I think the ° is minimally intrusive and I certainly want the widest possible participation without stumping on Pump. Notice I link to the questions page, not to my statement of candidacy. Hey, at least it doesn't blink!

Inlinks feature ("What links here") is kinda broken. Check inlinks for a new policy proposal advertised on {{cent}}; it may not be linked directly from anywhere but the creator's talk page but it will show an inlink from every place Cent appears. I rarely check inlinks for proposals, for this reason. In any case, I can certainly implement a redirect, and shall.

I can't sign myself "John"; there are other Johns. The reason we all got surnames is to disambiguate ourselves from others with the same given name. I don't insist on it by any means but I see no reason why most editors can't register with first and last name, just as they do when they enter an office building and ask for a nametag; I can't think of a good reason to write much on that nametag other than first and last name. This is not group therapy; we don't need to be "Bob" and "Ted". This is, in some ways, a game of Nomic but it's also a serious, public project; we don't need to be W00t W00t W00t. I will not be astonished if some admin with a misleading sig is blocked for disruption; admins should conform to a higher standard of accountability. Nor will I shed a tear when it happens. On the other hand, I doubt that most sigs cross that line.

I do promise that my sig will always read, more or less, John Reid ° 11:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

ArbComminee

It's 4 am local and I'm off to bed after a bite. Feel free to grill me but please don't expect an answer until I've had my beauty rest. Thank you for your support. John Reid ° 12:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to admit, your candidacy was the last thing I expected to see. This will be interesting. Regards, Newyorkbrad 22:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom plays a key part in our community; I don't oppose it in any way. It must be respected. However, I worry that, as Lord Acton said, absolute power corrupts absolutely. My platform is simple: I will not extend ArbCom's scope beyond issues of user conduct. I don't look forward with joy to ruling over our community at ArbCom and I won't do it. I will simply decide issues of user conduct per community policy. When my term expires, I will gratefully step down. John Reid ° 23:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Some of our templates are missing...

If this TfD resulted in keep, who (speedy?) deleted them... Addhoc 15:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind me cutting in here, John. See WP:AN#Removing_warnings_templates. The admin who deleted them can be ascertained by clicking on the "logs" link at the TfD discussion. User:Thebainer in fact. Carcharoth 15:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for linking me. You'll see my comment in the proper place. Sorry; I did try to salvage them from the fire. John Reid ° 22:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Email

You should add an email address to your account. A definite plus in the world of politics. --Alecmconroy 00:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I've always had an authenticated email address on my account. It's enabled; I just checked. Try again. I do entreat editors not to email me as a matter of routine; I believe all official business should be conducted, as much as possible, in the light of day. Any email to me will, however, be kept strictly confidential. John Reid ° 01:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Doh-- wrong person. Sorry bout that. Too many of you Johns running around here. --Alecmconroy 01:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I don't know; I'm the only "John" running for ArbCom. Anyway, I can't get into my email now. You jinxed it! John Reid ° 04:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Pi-unrolled alteration

Hey John. I made a small change to your Pi-unrolled graphic, increasing the time delay on frame 34 so that the wheel pauses at the spot where the marker has reached pi. I think this change better emphasises that the wheel has completed one whole revolution, and the distance it has covered is equal to pi. However, I've never modified or uploaded an image file before so I wanted to check it by you, see whether you thought it improved the image, and help me with making the appropriate actions to upload the new version.

The new version is visible here. I'll watch this page for your response. Thanks. Maelin (Talk | Contribs) 06:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, you should know I'm the wrong one to talk to about that. I sweated blood over that graphic through more revisions than I care to count, two workshops, and two FP nominations. I'm afraid I'm way too close to my baby to spare a good word for any tinkering with it. Sorry. I'm only human.

If you think yours is an improvement, upload it. Let our community decide if it's superior. John Reid ° 11:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there's a joke somewhere there about sticky pie... :-) Carcharoth 16:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Please, not on the keyboard. John Reid ° 21:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Policycrufter

Do you have time to respond here? Thanks. Carcharoth 16:21, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar thanks

Thank you for an unexpected smile. More of the same on your questions page, or at least I tried. Regards, Newyorkbrad 23:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)