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Holocaust in Poland

Initiated by Icewhiz (talk) at 22:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

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• Icewhiz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), filing party
• Poeticbent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Loosmark (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Volunteer Marek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

• diff of notification Poeticbent
• diff of notification Loosmark
• diff of notification Volunteer Marek

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

• AE vs. VM referred to ARBCOM
• Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Amendment request: Eastern Europe (May 2019)

Statement by Icewhiz

As other countries, a small minority advocates Holocaust denial/distortion in Poland. This version is different from other forms of denial/distortion in that it: does not deny German actions, denies/distorts the Polish role before/after/during the Holocaust, treats German atrocities towards Poles as equivalent to the Jewish/Roma genocide, overstates rescues, claims Jewish oppression of Poles, Żydokomuna, and double genocide (Soviets equal/worse than Nazis).

I first got involved in December 2017 in AfD on a clearly notable anti-Jewish pogrom. I had since come to learn that Misplaced Pages circa-2017 served as a Holocaust denial/distortion platform in multiple less-traveled articles (Auschwitz or Holocaust were OK, specific low-level locations/events not). Dubious sources, notably Mark Paul ("ignoble ungrateful Jew" myth, pseudo-name, KPK-Toronto, WP:SPS) RSN, RfC) were used in hundreds of articles. A google-search on many Holocaust sub-topics in Poland returned the SEOed Paul + highly distorted Misplaced Pages entry.

Examples of distortion/denial that lasted for years on Misplaced Pages:

1. Loosmark sock - Describing a Polish pogrom against Jews, as Jewish oppression of Poles followed by Germans killing Jews - see AE where VM loudly asserted this is non-actionable. Also see: Dr. Morris S. Whitcup on Misplaced Pages's articles
2. Poeticbent+Loosmark sock - Local poles burn 600-2000 Jews alive in barn, described as Jewish oppression of Poles followed by Germans killing Jews.
3. Poeticbent - extermination camp for Jews, described as "intended to kill Jews and Poles from all nearby towns and villages" (Polish citation in article: "Jews".)
4. Poeticbent - "Jewish welcoming banner" image captions (extended discussion, caption offwiki).
5. Loosmark sock - describes the "Polish operation" (one of multiple NKVD national sweeps) as "the genocide of Poles in the Soviet Union", misstating named historians and using a dubious source. Contrast academic sources:.

Mostly added by User:Poeticbent and/or Loosmark sockpuppets this has stayed on Misplaced Pages for years. Editors previously in WP:EEML are active in the topic area. Volunteer Marek (VM), who adds little new content (see last article creation - one bareurl - a soldier's account), has been reverting and stonewalling corrections.

VM's conduct: (see also referred AE)

1. Despite requests to stop, VM has hounded me - interactiontool 15-30May (40 articles in two week span).
2. VM has restored/inserted material on Jews/communists not supported by citations: "Soviet-armed Jewish militiamen helped NKVD agents send Polish families into exile" (not in source) or against MOS:ETHNICITY(lead) "was a Polish communist official of Jewish background trained...
3. VM has restored content challenged as failing V - without checking the source (which does not support the text). See AE (deemed too complex for AE) on content apparently copied from Mark Paul.
4. WP:NPA/WP:ASPERSIONS:
5. considers sourced on-topic descriptions of antisemitism in Poland as: "It's a COATRACK for the whole disgusting and racist "Poles are anti-semities" POV into this article.".
6. WP:PROXYING Loosmark, fails verification:
7. WP:PROFRINGE/WP:UNDUE - op-eds in right-wing media/blog by far-right activist/historian:
8. WP:BLPSPS: .

Scope: Holocaust in Poland (pre/during/after - 1936-1951), geopolitics/atrocities (1936-51), Jewish/Polish relations, communist Jews in Poland.

References

1. Michlic, Joanna B. "'I Will Never Forget What You Did for Me during the War': Rescuer-Rescuee Relationships in the Light of Postwar Correspondence in Poland, 1945–1949." Yad Vashem Studies 39.2 (2011): 169.
2. ^ Bender, Sara (2013). "Not Only in Jedwabne: Accounts of the Annihilation of the Jewish Shtetlach in North-eastern Poland in the Summer of 1941". Holocaust Studies. 19 (1): 1–38. doi:10.1080/17504902.2013.11087369.
3. Spector, Shmuel; Wigoder, Geoffrey; Wigoder, Research Associate Institute of Contemporary Jewry Geoffrey (2001). The Encyclopedia of Jewish Life Before and During the Holocaust: Seredina-Buda-Z. NYU Press. p. 1230. ISBN 9780814793787.
4. The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945, Geoffrey P. Megargee, Martin C. Dean, and Mel Hecker, Volume II, part A, pages 943-944.
5. Chelmno at USHMM
6. "SS Sonderkommando". Obóz zagłady w Chełmnie n/Nerem. Obozy zagłady. Retrieved 2013-05-10.
7. Michael Ellman, "Stalin and the Soviet Famine of 1932-33 Revisited." Amsterdam School of Economics. PDF file
8. Martin, Terry. "The origins of Soviet ethnic cleansing." The Journal of Modern History 70.4 (1998): 813-861.
9. Morris, James. "The Polish terror: spy mania and ethnic cleansing in the great terror." Europe-Asia Studies 56.5 (2004): 751-766.
10. Petrov, Nikita, and Arsenii Roginskii. "The “Polish Operation” of the NKVD, 1937–8." Stalin’s Terror. Palgrave Macmillan, London, 2003. 153-172.
11. DID A POLISH FAR RIGHT ACTIVIST HELP DONALD TRUMP WRITE HIS SPEECH IN WARSAW?, Newsweek, 6 July 2017, quote: "In June 2014, he appeared at a rally of the far-right Ruch Narodowy party, where he proclaimed “We want a Catholic Poland, not a Bolshevik one, not multicultural or gay!”"
12. Donald Trump’s Visit to Poland Further Emboldens Far-Right Elements, SPLC, 17 July 2017, quote:"Chodakiewicz’s far-right beliefs have not only centered on dabbling in anti-Semitism. In January of 2017, he penned a piece lamenting what he called the “ongoing genocide against Whites” in South Africa. The term “white genocide” is a common white nationalist trope, with many pointing to South Africa and falsely claiming that white people are systematically massacred by people of color."
13. Historian Marek Jan Chodakiewicz with Controversial Views Serves on Holocaust Museum Board, SPLC, 29 November 2009, quote:"Chodakiewicz, who describes himself as "a Christian conservative of Polish ancestry," has written favorably about Francisco Franco, the late anti-Communist dictator known for his brutal suppression of the Spanish left. He is an admirer of the late shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, an autocratic leader who criticized American Jews for "controlling" U.S. media and finance. He sees gay rights as a threat to society, has linked President Barack Obama to communists and domestic terrorists, and is a voluble critic of what he sees as Western "political correctness.""
14. Michlic, Joanna (2007). "The Soviet Occupation of Poland, 1939-41, and the Stereotype of the Anti-Polish and Pro-Soviet Jew". Jewish Social Studies. 13 (3): 135–176. JSTOR 4467778. quote: "Chodakiewicz's works represent the most extreme end of the spectrum of the contemporary mainstream ethnonationalist school of history writing.64 The following features characterize all his writings.65 His vision of modern Polish history is rooted in the right-wing ethnonationalistic ideology that originated in the pre-1939 National Democracy movement and its extreme formations. His interpretation of Polish-Jewish relations in World War II and in the early postwar period, 1944-47, is based on the concept of a zero-sum conflict between ethnic Poles and Jews. Chodakiewicz casts the two communities as separate nations engaged in the struggle for survival without noting that they were part of one society in which ethnic Poles represented the dominant majority group and PolishJews were one of the ethnic/national minorities. Even when he acknowledges that Polish Jews were a minority, as he does in Massacre in Jedwabne, he regards them primarily as the carrier of a culture intrinsically incompatible with the culture of ethnic, Christian Poles."

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