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Part of Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution

Ultimately, the content of Misplaced Pages is determined by making progress toward a community consensus. However, the size of Misplaced Pages prevents community members from actively following every development. As a result, sometimes it's useful to request broader opinions from the rest of the community.

This page is a way that anyone can request other wiki-ists to help them resolve difficulties and disputes in articles or talk pages. Anyone may visit any of these articles, to help them reach agreement. A good quality RFC can help contributors resolve differences, add different insights, give comments and opinions how others might see some wording, and so on.

It will help the RFC process if everyone who lists something on this page tries to help out at least one other page listed here.

Overview

When to use RFC

  • RFC is appropriate when you want other wiki-ists to visit the page, to allow a consensus or a better quality of decision, to help resolve a dispute or break a deadlock.
  • If you simply want peer review of an article, then list it at Misplaced Pages:Peer review.
  • If the dispute involves allegations that a user has engaged in serious violations of Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines, create a subpage for the dispute. Use the subpage to elaborate on the allegations.

How to use RFC

  • To request other users to comment on an issue, add a link to the Talk page for the article, a brief neutral statement of the issue, and the date.
  • Don't sign it, don't list the details, and don't submit arguments or assign blame.
  • On the Talk page of the article, it can help to summarize the dispute.

General hints for dispute resolution

  • Whatever the nature of the dispute, the first resort should always be to discuss the problem with the other user. Try to resolve the dispute on your own first.
  • For disputes over user conduct, before requesting community comment, at least two people should have contacted the user on their talk page, or the talk pages involved in the dispute, and failed to resolve the problem.
  • Don't forget to follow Wikiquette. Wikiquette is more important in resolving a dispute, not less.

Article content disputes

Please only list links to talk pages where two or more participants cannot reach consensus and are thus stalling progress on the article. Discussions with no new comments in over two weeks old may have dried up, in which case please talk to the people involved to determine whether the problem was resolved.

Items listed on this page may be removed if you fail to try basic methods of dispute resolution.

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Page was protected (by a different admin) to stop a revert war over one user insisting on the insertion of a badly-written paragraph with very little relevant content. User was not amenable to reasonable argument (which along with said editor's ignorance of a well-defined economic term incidentally led to the WP:NPA issues). So rather than leave the page protected indefinitely, the admin who had been involved in editing unprotected the page. The disputed paragraph (now grown even more unwieldy) has been allowed to stand, so what exactly is the issue here?? Yes, the article is still a mess, which is why I posted it on WP:PR. Rd232 08:36, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Talk:Polish-Soviet_War A POV notice. RfC suggested, as there is still no consensus. Thank you for your comments.
  • Talk:2003 Invasion of Iraq Is it POV to refer to the Saddam Hussein government as a "regime"?
  • Talk:Intelligent design Two users have requested dispute resolution. One claims the page to be a "bad faith fraud." POV concerns, much reverting going on.
  • Talk: Mestizo. Validity of statistics.
  • Talk:Joshua A. Norton. Is referring to this gentleman as "Emperor of the United States" throughout his article misleading or appropriate? Is humorously referring to a faux emperor's reign, decrees, etc. misleading and contrary to the facts?
  • Talk:Christian views of homosexuality - an extensive essay about the Eastern Orthodox views of sin and sexuality in general evades touching the subject of the actual Eastern Orthodox views of homosexuality.
  • Talk:Perverted-Justice.com - dispute between two article versions.
  • Talk:Elton John: should the article use hyphens instead of dashes?
  • Talk:QuakeAID - is it a violation of the NPOV policy for the article to state that QuakeAID "fraudulently misrepresents themselves"?
  • Talk:Global warming - Continuous complaints from new users about quality and readability of article and related articles. Continuous fighting on talk pages of all articles involved between self-proclaimed expert user acting as "owner" of the pages and new users wanting to contribute.
  • Talk:Political views of Lyndon LaRouche - Neutrality dispute.
  • Talk:Free-content#Bloating_of_the_article – Regarding the bloating of the article.
  • Talk:Male circumcision - POV dispute.
  • Talk:Republican Party (United States) and [[Talk:Democratic Party (United States) - A variety of controversial changes: Should articles repeatedly blame slavery on the Democratic Party? Should information about the history of the Republican Party be remove? etc.
  • Category talk:Languages of Misplaced Pages Projects - Should the content of this category be changed from articles about languages to articles about wikipedia projects in that language? No real dispute, I'm listing this here because "category talk:" usually does not get much attention.
  • Talk:Macedonian Slavs - Should we cite a population estimate that some people disagree with?
  • Talk:Chip Berlet - The individual about whom the article is written, who is a journalist, has become a Misplaced Pages editor, and complained that the article was overly critical. The talk page is somewhat overly partisan on this issue, and neutral participants might help put things in perspective. The page was recently rewritten in an effort to make it more NPOV. Which version is more neutral? The new one from January 8 or the old one from January 2 ?
  • Talk:Sollog - an argument between critics and supporters of Sollog (members of the Temple of 'Hayah, accused of being Sollog's sock-puppets), mostly about the accuracy of quake predictions and the NPOV
  • Talk:List of Palestinian children killed by Israelis in 2004 - What should have been a plain list of names has suddenly turned into a full-out edit war with proselytizing that will end up as long as the list. Also, note that the article is to be transwikied.
  • Talk:List of Quebec television series - The question has been raised whether List of Quebec television series should be merged into List of Canadian television series; the consensus was to keep them split, but one user insists on merging them.
  • Talk:Frankfurt School - Should Kevin B. MacDonald be listed as a "notable critic" of the Frankfurt School in the absence of any evidence of his being cited or regarded as such?
  • Talk:Abraham Lincoln - Should the section on Lincoln's sexuality be removed from the main page?
  • Talk:List_of_music_videos_by_year Should the article be split imediately into the yearly lists or not until it's finished? The issue was voted on, and the clear majority agreed to split it. Still, an anonymous user reverts the page, when some videos are moved to yearly lists.
  • Talk:2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities - This page has grown to nearly 130KB. What would be the best way to reduce the size while maintaining news and sources?
  • Talk:Charles Darwin/Lincoln There is an ongoing dispute about the inclusion of a ten word sentence about Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin sharing a birthday. What would the best resolution of this dispute be?
  • Talk:Lev Davidovich Landau There is a discussion on the (polit)correctness of using the adjective "Russian" with respect to non-Russian Soviets.

Article dispute archive

Comment about individual users

This section is for discussing specific users who have allegedly violated Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. In order to request comment about a user, please follow the instructions to create a subpage in the appropriate section below. Disputes over the writing of articles, including disputes over how best to follow the NPOV policy, belong in the Article content disputes section above.

Before listing any user conduct dispute here, at least two people should have tried to resolve the same issue by discussing it with the subject on his or her talk page or the talk pages involved in the dispute. This must involve the same dispute or concern the same disputed type(s) of activity, not different ones.

Once the request for comment is open, these two people must document their individual efforts, provide evidence that those efforts have failed to produce change, and sign the comment page. Requests for comment which do not meet these minimum requirements after 48 hours from creation are considered "uncertified" and will be de-listed. The subject RFC page will also be deleted, unless the subject has explicitly requested it to be retained.

General user conduct

Discussions about user conduct should be listed in this section unless the complaint is specifically about the use of admin privileges or the choice of username. To list a user conduct dispute, please create a subpage using the following sample listing as a template (anything within {...} are notes):

  • /Example user - Allegations: {one or two short sentences giving the dry facts; do not sign entry.}

Candidate pages - still need to meet the two person threshold
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Approved pages - have met the two person threshold
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  • /CheeseDreams - Allegations: personal attacks, disruption of Misplaced Pages.
  • /WikiUser - Allegations: gratuitous incivility, making false accusations of racism and vandalism, disruptive behaviour, violation of 3RR, POV editing.
  • /62.52.37.xxx - Allegations: gratuitous incivility, accusing others of POV, disrespect toward other contributers.
  • /JonGwynne - Allegations: gratuitous incivility; POV pushing
  • /William M. Connolley - Allegations: POV editing, disrespect toward other contributers, lack of civility, poor wikiquette, and engaging in chronic and sustained RV edit wars.
  • /Iasson - Allegations: Disruption of VfD and creation of articles to forward his own PoV on VfD policy.
  • /Invalid user name specified - Allegations: Disruptive username, improper accusations of vandalism, disruptive talk page behavior.
  • /ExplorerCDT - personal attacks, creating nonsense and hoax articles, lying on VfD to attempt to keep a hoax page from being deleted.

Use of administrator privileges

This section is only for discussions specifically related to the use of sysop rights by Misplaced Pages:Administrators. This includes the actions of protecting or unprotecting pages, deleting or undeleting pages, and blocking or unblocking users. If the dispute is over an admin's actions as an editor, it should be listed under the General user conduct section above. To list a dispute, create a subpage using the following sample as a template:

  • /Example admin - Allegations: {one or two short sentences giving the dry facts; do not sign entry.}

As with disputes over general user conduct, at least two people must certify that they believe there is a legitimate basis for the complaint. If the listing is not certified within 48 hours of listing, it will be deleted.

Candidate pages - still need to meet the two person threshold
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Approved pages - have met the two person threshold

Choice of username

If you believe someone has chosen an inappropriate username under Misplaced Pages's username policy, you may create a subpage here to discuss whether the user should be forced to change usernames. However, before listing the user here, please first contact the user on his or her talk page and give them an opportunity to change usernames voluntarily.

New listings here, please

  • user:AdminsDeath -- Not to sound staunchy, but as an admin, I take offense to this. Even I wasn't an admin, or if we didn't have admins, I'd still feel a little awkward working around someone who's username could easily be an ambiguous death threat. -- user:zanimum
    • Forgot to talk to the user first, so ignore this until I get a response. -- user:zanimum
      • Seems user is blocked indefinitely for inappropriate username. -- Chris 73 Talk 01:57, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)

User dispute archive

General convention and policy issues

Some proposed conventions and policies can be found at Category:Misplaced Pages policy thinktank.

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Resolved convention disputes

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