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The discussion that resulted in the current name Islamic State was held in August-September 2021. The decision followed WP:Commonname section of WP:Article titles.

This question has been raised over 40 times on the talk page, without any proposal other than the September 2021 and August 2013 discussions resulting in a page move. Now archived, those discussions can be read here and searched here.

Past names, both used and considered, have included: "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria", "Islamic State of Iraq and (al-)Sham", "Islamic State of Iraq and Greater Syria", "Islamic State", "The Islamic State", "Islamic State (Middle East)", "Islamic State (Organisation)".

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See Older discussions (below this list) for a list of twelve earlier requested moves and discussions.
Archive 38#RfC: One year moratorium on move proposals Agreed 14 Aug – 19 Sep 2015
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → ISIS, Not moved, 20 Oct – 27 Oct 2016, /Archive_39#Requested move 20 October 2016
RM Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State (''to-be-decided'' qualifier) Technical Close 4–23 July 2017, /Archive 40#Requested move 18 July 2017

Older discussions:

Islamic State of Iraq and Syria → Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Moved, 13 August 2013, /Archive 1#Rename
RM, Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, Not moved (but moved back to "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant"), 12 June 2014, /Archive 2#Requested Move
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → The Islamic State, No consensus, 29 June 2014, /Archive 3#Requested move 2
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, Procedurally closed, 31 July 2014, /Archive 3#Requested move
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State, Not moved, 8 August 2014, /Archive 5#Requested move 8 August 2014
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State (organization), Quick close, 20 August 2014, /Archive 5#Move
Content discussion, References in the text: ISIS or ISIL?, ISIL chosen, 17 Sept – 26 Sept 2014, /Archive 10#References in the text: ISIS or ISIL?
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State, Not moved, 7 Sept – 30 Sept 2014, /Archive 10#Move request - 6 September 2014
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State (Organisation), No consensus, 17 Sep – 3 Oct 2014, /Archive 11#Requested move 17 September 2014
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State (islamist rebel group), No consensus, 9 Jan – 17 Jan 2015, /Archive 28#Requested move 9 January 2015
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State, Not moved, 19 Apr – 20 Apr 2015, /Archive 34#Requested move 19 April 2015
RM, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State (IS), Not moved, 15 Jul – 29 Jul 2015, /Archive_37#Requested move 15 July 2015

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Section size for Islamic State (41 sections)
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Name	12,163	12,163
Purpose and strategy	27	41,370
Ideology	24,537	24,537
Islamic eschatology	1,734	1,734
Goals	7,287	7,287
Strategy	7,785	7,785
Organisation	1,359	50,589
Leadership and governance	19,704	19,704
Civilians in Islamic State-controlled areas	3,373	3,373
Military	101	10,951
Number of combatants	4,645	4,645
Conventional weapons	2,102	2,102
Non-conventional weapons	4,103	4,103
Women	3,680	3,680
Communications	69	69
Finances	7,841	11,453
Monetary system	2,516	2,516
Education	1,096	1,096
History	2,821	2,821
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International reaction	124	62,895
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Islamic criticism	531	31,784
Religious leaders and organisations	20,797	20,797
Other jihadist groups	10,456	10,456
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Designation as a terrorist organisation	22,657	22,657
Militia, cult, territorial authority, and other classifications	3,312	3,312
Supporters	3,865	3,865
Countries and groups at war with IS	672	28,869
Global Coalition to Counter the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant	6,344	28,197
Other state opponents not part of the Counter-ISIL Coalition	5,338	5,338
Other non-state opponents	11,421	11,421
Al-Qaeda	5,094	5,094
Human rights abuse and war crime findings	4,279	4,279
Explanatory notes	38	38
Citations	29	29
General and cited references	3,466	3,466
Further reading	333	333
External links	5,413	5,413
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Why was the comparison with colonial/revolutionary france removed?

It is a relevant comparison for people to see to see the level of violence of ISIS, specifically those in Algeria and other former French colonies whose idea of violence is shaped by French colonialism. It also shows how ISIS's state building tactics resemble those of revolutionary France more than they do any Islamic government of the past, in that ISIS is an attempt to build a nation state like those after the treaty of westphalia where as the Caliphates of old were more akin to classical empires. I think that comparison is very relevant and very important to create the correct image of ISIS in people's heads.FullMetal234 (talk) 21:51, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

extended

vandal is many..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.161.157.43 (talk) 03:26, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Recent edit

I reverted an edit here. It removed some well source and obvious ISIL ideologies. Aocloyalist please explain why you feel that content doesn't belong.VR _talk 22:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

It's been over 6 years since ISIS turned into IS, and you still failed to either update this article or to make a new one

Despite the earlier Islamic State of Iraq having a separate article.

It was also never really "ISIL". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.173.108.161 (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. It's anachronistic and was widely viewed as a political maneuver to absolve the Obama administration of any blame for not having interceded in Syria the year prior to their ascendancy. But you'll never see the article changed, no matter how erroneous or infrequent the term ISIL is used. 104.139.114.186 (talk) 07:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Execution vs murder?

The article mentions "execution" several times. Is this terminology proper? As far as I understand, an "execution" is a killing sanctioned by a government. If IS/ISIL was never a recognized state, then I would think it would be more proper to describe these killings as "murders" rather than "executions". SpectrumDT (talk) 08:52, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Operations like timber Sycamore and state allies

Add allies and timber Sycamore Farbne (talk) 21:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

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