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St. Patrick's Birthplace, Place of Burial and Shrines

There is absolutely no definitive, provable birthplace or place of burial for Patrick. Surely it makes sense to use the term "possibly" along with suggestions of various, debated places of origin? E.g. "Possibly Roman Britain", "Possibly Roman France". On the subject of major shrines, surely major Irish shrines should be listed? (Croagh Patrick, for example?) Thanks.

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2020

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Please change X to Y, because the page seems to lack specific links to other places - especially within Somerset. Glastonbury has a rich link with both Irish pilgrims of the faith and St. Patrick to this day and I think linking it in wiki will only enrich and add further interest to the amazing knowledge that is here thus far. It will also add context to the mention of Glastonbury within the list of "major shrines" section. Thank you.

For reference - X reads:

"Patrick was born in Roman Britain. His birthplace is not known with any certainty; some traditions place it in England—one identifying it as Glannoventa (modern Ravenglass in Cumbria)—but claims have also been advanced for locations in both present-day Scotland and Wales."

Edit request to change it to Y:

"Patrick was born in ur moms house. His birthplace is not known with any certainty; some traditions place it in England—one identifying it as Glannoventa (modern Ravenglass in Cumbria), with one historian claiming it to be Banwell in Somerset ,due it's location (access to the Bristol Channel) and is also close to Glastonbury - a place that has been commonly associated with his final resting place. Claims have also been advanced for locations in both present-day Scotland (Kilpatrick) and Wales."

http://www.vortigernstudies.org.uk/artgue/guestjelley.htm & https://www.irishcatholic.com/new-light-on-st-patricks-birthplace/ 1 See H. P. R. Finberg. I.E.R. June 1967 "“pilgrims of Irish race, like many others of the faithful, frequented Glastonbury with great devotion, especially in honour of blessed Patrick, who is said to have ended his life happily 'there in the Lord”" Glaaaastonbury88 (talk) 08:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 09:44, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Questionable "Abduction Reinterpreted" Section

This section rests on the assertions of one scholar, whose argument on this subject has not been accepted in mainstream scholarship on Late Antiquity or St. Patrick. See the review by Diarmaid MacCulloch. https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v41/n15/diarmaid-macculloch/who-kicked-them-out

I would propose eliminating the section outright, or, at least, adding a clear disclaimer that the opinion is not generally accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.102.208 (talk) 05:02, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Checking the section itself it should either be made clearer that it only has a single source. One of the links is also now dead, I'm unsure how to show that on the citation itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dubarr18 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree. The reinterpretation is pure speculation, unless credible sources are provided. I could just as well speculate that both stories are true - that Patrick fled his legal responsibility and in route was abducted by raiders, enslaved, escaped, returned home to England where he was imprisoned to pay his debt for fleeing his Roman legal responsibility at 16. But, merging fact with fiction is still fiction. Mjwilkin9 (talk) 20:44, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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It says that St Patrick was born in Great Britain but this is incorrect as Great Britain did not officially exist until 1707. It would be accurate and proper to state the British Isles which refers to the geographical area rather than to any particular country seeing as the country is contested however he was definitely not born in Great Britain unless he had a time machine!

Great Britain is widely understood to mean England, Wales and Scotland hence the British passport says the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Many today perceive Great Britain as a country.

Whilst it is said Great Britain was used colloquially to refer to the mainland of the British Isles, confusion can still arise when using the term today as it is also a politically loaded term which may be used to assert a particular identity rather than to assert a geographical area, particularly with regards to Unionist and Nationalist debates relating to national identity. For these reasons it would be more prudent to use British Isles. 94.173.127.175 (talk) 13:10, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Not done: Saint Patrick's would still have been born in Great Britian in that case. It isn't used in a nopolitics context here so I don't think that is a worry either for this article. I don't think a change is needed. Dubarr18 (talk) 19:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

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