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New information on Suleyman makes me suspect that the "first" Suleyman paragraph is a confused rendition of the information in the second. I won't remove the first, though, until I'm sure. -- Someone else 02:08, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Distinguish Asian and African
Could you please mark which of these elephants were Asian and which African? Especially the Hannibal ones. I thought that there were a group of Elephas, not Loxodonta, in Northern Africa that disappeared in historical times. Is that true? -- Error 01:50, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)
El Bosco's elephant
The tryptichon painting by Hieronymus Bosch features a stunningly accurate elephant figure of the african variety as well as a less perfectly rendered, but still appearent giraffe. How could he, who never left northern Europe in his life, paint such a perfect african elephant, when it is well known that african elephants are untamably wild and cannot be trained? The first human rideable elephants of Garamba were tamed with modern behavioural biology technics in the 1960s. Therefore no one could ship a wild beast of african elephant to Europe in the medieval ages, only docile asian elephants. I think some form of photography must have existed at the time, else we cannot explain the origin of a perfect african elephant seen in Bosch's painting. 195.70.32.136 18:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)