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The problem with Misplaced Pages is not the vandals, it is the experienced, respected, wrongdoers. Chicdat


Voluntary restriction

I formally agree to a voluntary restriction. I will treat this like an involuntary editing restriction, and administrators may treat this the same way. The details are:

  • I can edit freely in certain areas. They include
    • Everything in mainspace and talkspace
    • Everything in WikiProject Tropical cyclones
    • Everything in XfD
    • All areas of the village pump
    • Using my pending changes reviewer user right
  • I may not:
    • Involve myself with blocks or unblocks, except my own
    • Interact with Kashmorwiki until he/she is unblocked
    • Edit in any way an admin noticeboard, except in discussions concerning me and to appeal this ban
    • Close any discussion, except to withdraw if I started it (per ANI discussion)
    • Edit any other noticeboard (see below)
    • Edit WP:SPI
    • Retarget project-space redirects without a discussion at RFD
  • I may, but only under scrutiny in exceptional circumstances, edit:
    • AIV (e.g. a vandal destroying large numbers of pages)
    • UAA (e.g. an extraordinarily disruptive username, like "XXXX should be dead")
    • RFPP (e.g. a page being vandalized 30 times in 10 minutes)
    • An extremely controversial article
    • Templates (only after discussion and testing in the sandbox)

If I violate these conditions once, I will be given a final/only warning. Twice, and please block me. 🐔 Chicdat 10:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Another thing

I take full responsibility of any article created by Kashmorwiki. 🐔 Chicdat 10:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

? ? ? ? CommanderWaterford (talk) 22:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
Chicdat means that he doesn't want any of them to be speedy deleted under G5 I believe. Jackattack1597 (talk) 23:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
As your mentor I'll watch over you in regards to your restrictions. To admins: I don't think Chicdat should not be indefinitely blocked in all areas of Misplaced Pages when he's violating these conditions multiple times. I'll prefer a temporary partial block (on Misplaced Pages: space in particular), but if these things build up, eventual indefinite partial block. (Reason why I said this is because this is how topic bans normally work) BTW, here's your adopt page to continue your lessons, and please read policies and guidelines to help answering these questions. MarioJump83! 07:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)


  • Apparently what you are doing here is WP:HOUNDING which is a form of harassment against a user, by checking his contributions and spuriously taking responsibility of the articles that cannot be checked at least not under a minute the way you are doing.

WP:PROXYING says: "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned or blocked editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits. "

Where are your independent reasons other than to "I want to preserve creations of Kashmorwiki"? That's not a valid reason but violation of WP:PROXYING.

Since a number of users have already raised concern over your spurious attempts to take responsibility, I am going to give you an opportunity to self-revert yourself on these all articles that weren't edited by you before they were tagged for deletion. Failing this, I will need to report you to WP:AN. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 08:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Since you didn't get active during May 7 I have reverted your edits, please see Special:Diff/1021727380 and Special:Diff/1021727467 for the reason. MarioJump83! 03:54, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I just realized this violates the "Kashmorwiki interaction" part of my ban. Thank you for realizing first, and sorry that I couldn't be active during May 7. 🐔 Chicdat   10:13, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Modification

I expand this ban to closing any discussion, except when withdrawing a discussion that I nominated, that had significant opposition. 🐔 Chicdat   09:59, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

I have clarified that I can edit in any area relating to my pending changes reviewer rights. 🐔 Chicdat   10:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Death of Gustav Gerneth

His actual date of death is 21 October. Please stop reverting my edits. There are some sources published immediately after his death that say 22 October (rather in the night of 22 October), but they are not as reliable as his official obituary. Thus, I withdraw and apologize for my assertion that you have made an unsourced assertion. His 115th birthday report after his death also states 21 October . Volksstimme (Saxony-Anhalt) is considered a WP:RS, and on the German Misplaced Pages, there's a clear consensus that his date of death is 21 October . If my arguments are still unpersuasive to you, please find me a reliable source published after his funeral that states 22 October. Renewal6 (talk) 13:35, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Renewal6: I apologize for just blindly reverting. But if you looked at the sources cited in the Gerneth entry at the List of the verified oldest people, you'll see that they do cite 22 October. Furthermore, your sources are also correct. Why? Because of the often-confusing time-zone policies. In Britain, where UTC time is located, it was 21 October. However, Germany has a different time zone, and there it was 22 October. (There was also confusion regarding the death-date of Jiroemon Kimura, with some sources reporting 11 June, others reporting 12 June.) Since Misplaced Pages uses homeland times for its longevity lists, Gustav Gerneth died on 22 October 2019. 🐔 Chicdat   10:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
    • You're wrong. The sources in the article don't state 22 October, that is why I did not change them. Your second argument is not convincing. Why should a German local newspaper and his own obituary refer to British UTC time? Renewal6 (talk) 10:35, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@Renewal6: You're wrong. That's a personal attack. Besides, I stand by what I said before: If you want to challenge 2-year-old consensus, take it to the talk page. Start a discussion on WT:LONGEVITY. My talk page isn't a place to change things. 🐔 Chicdat   10:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
There is no such thing as an "authority on longevity" in Misplaced Pages, and even if there were it would not be TFBCT1. I'm not going to waste too much more time on this, but if the edit-warring continues I will have all the relevant articles fully protected until this dispute is properly resolved. DerbyCountyinNZ 04:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

@TFBCT1: There's a discussion that concerns you going on. Would you please share your opinion? Renewal6 (talk) 11:39, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Look at the hours of the user's editing. 🐔 Chicdat   11:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Probably not the best place for this discussion. Based on other cases: Swedish Astrid Zachrison, and French Mathilde Lartigue who died on their respective 113th birthdays, the terminology “overnight” was used and the following day represented date of death. So based on precedent my opinion falls on October 22 being Gustav Gerneth’s date of deathTFBCT1 (talk) 13:59, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@TFBCT1: But in which way does your opinion outweigh the evidence of his official obituary? I found another reliable source that states 21 October (his 115th birthday report, see above), and the sources included in the article do not state that his date of death is 22 October (I'm fluent in German, so I'm able to assess that). This is why I would like to restore my edits. Do you have any objections? Renewal6 (talk) 15:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I never said my opinion outweighs anything. My opinion is based on consensus and precedent, if you want to challenge consensus take the issue to a longevity talk page as advised above. Further note, if your sources state Gerneth died at age 115, they would be unreliable. It is well established that he died at the age of 114 years, 1 week. I’m done with this issue here.TFBCT1 (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
@TFBCT1: My source doesn't state that, it was published after his death as a commemoration. If you want to challenge the evidence of his official obituary, you are the one who is obliged to take it to a longevity talk page, not me. Thus, I will restore my edits and hopefully none of you will engage in a pointless edit war (I'm ready to discuss this further on another place, if necessary). Best wishes, Renewal6 (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

Stop your disruptive editing (in your own words "just blindly reverting"). If it happens again, I will take it to the admins noticeboard. Renewal6 (talk) 22:03, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

My editing is not disruptive in the slightest. I'm just following WP:BRD. If you want me to stop reverting, take it to a place where regular longevity editors will determine whether there is consensus for this change or not. In the meantime, I'll revert your edit at list of the oldest people by country. 🐔 Chicdat   10:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
(talk page watcher), Chicdat and Renewal6: You are both edit warring on multiple pages simultaneously: . This is my only warning; please take this dispute to the relevant talk page(s) – if you continue reverting, you may be sanctioned. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:03, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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You have shown interest in longevity. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Misplaced Pages's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

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Saturnino de la Fuente García

In my opinion, he needs to be nominated for AFD. If you get time and you agree, maybe you could work your usual magic! Regards, MattSucci (talk) 17:16, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Of course, of course. 🐔 Chicdat   12:01, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

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