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@DavidMCEddy I’m sorry that I couldn’t sore the research. There are in fact 100 million guns in circulation, which would destroy the whole idea of gun control in the United States. If we were to control guns in the US, it would take years to fully control guns in the USA. You have to realize that this site is for pure editing purposes and facts. People want to know how or even if we can institute gun control. Dmaty63 (talk) 00:00, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dmaty63: I agree that the number of guns in circulation in the US is large and is a problem. I also agree that it will take years to "fully control guns in the USA." I further agree that Misplaced Pages is for facts. In particular, Misplaced Pages policy requires editors to cite "reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered." Misplaced Pages is NOT for advocacy.

I believe that one of the biggest problem driving the large number of guns in circulation in the US today is the common belief that the US got freedom and democracy, liberty and justice for all from the violence of the American Revolution. In v:The Great American Paradox, I document my claim that it didn't happen that way.

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Citations -- The Atlantic

I noticed that 'The Atlantic' is cited as evidence 3 times in the article. Given that this is a more of a American political magazine rather than research or a verified source of facts, should this source be used to cite information under general the "studies" section of the article? Seanjaelee (talk) 03:06, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

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@Mudwater: I understand that policy, but I think the the judgment of which "secondary sources" are "reliable" and even maybe "published" can sometimes be contested. I'd like also to see the primary source as well as the secondary that mentions it. I say that, because sometimes the primary source doesn't exist, or is a blatant fraud or is misrepresented. The role of Judith Miller (and others like her) in stampeding the "Coalition of the Willing" into invading Iraq in 2003 comes to mind. DavidMCEddy (talk) 14:52, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Studies -> United States_United_States-2019-06-02T19:56:00.000Z">

I just added some info and a supporting cite to this section. In doing that, I noticed that all of the studies in the Cross-sectional studies section seem to be specifically about gun control. The study which I added info about is about the relationship between firearm ownership and violent crime, not specifically about gun control. I noticed this while trying to reorganize the run-on paragraph in that section of the article into a bulleted chronological list, so I abandoned that reorganization and just left the info on that study where I had added it. Improve this as may be appropriate. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 19:56, 2 June 2019 (UTC)_United_States"> _United_States">

Since the article is specifically about gun control, then it is not unexpected that all of the studies included are regarding gun control. The study you added is not about specific gun control initiatives or legislation, so it's not appropriate to the article - for the reason I described. I've removed it. Anastrophe (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree, however, that the oversized paragraph with all the study info badly needs reworking into manageable paragraphs. Dunno if I'll be able to get to it today though. Anastrophe (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Why is there no History section?

I noticed that the history of gun control is not mentioned any where on the wiki. I would like to suggest an edit encompassing the history of gun control, its primary advocates, and why it was done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.DonDraper1 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

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