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Cherry picking on zoophilia

Okay, so contributor User:AndyTheGrump reverted the article back to its older state for obvious reasons and I don't object to this version however this version still has problems nonetheless.

This version of the article has issues with regards to zoophilia. This version says A small proportion of the fandom is sexually interested in zoophilia (sex with animals), although a majority take a negative stance towards it. An anonymous survey in 2008 found 17% of respondents reported zoophilia.

However, the source cited for that statement says 17.1% of furries identify as zoophiles.

Also, the statement claims that a majority of the participants had a negative view towards zoophilia however the survey says this. Regardless of participation, most furries took at best a moderated view towards zoophilia.

This is clearly a case of cherry-picking. In that 2008 study only around 45% of the participants had a negative view of zoophilia, that’s not a majority.CycoMa1 (talk) 15:17, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Actually, almost all the article content regarding surveys is problematic. Any proper discussion of such content should begin by noting exactly who conducted the survey (i.e. in the case of the 2008 survey, the Furry Research Center, which though it aspires to academic credibility, probably deserved, might will be seen as non-neutral), and who the survey subjects were. No survey in this article should be cited for unqualified statements about what 'furries' in general think or believe. As for the specifics regarding zoophilia, it is a very tricky subject to get meaningful data on, for fairly obvious reasons, and Misplaced Pages certainly shouldn't be engaging in original research, as the section in question appears to be doing where it compares surveys concerning 'furries' with the results of surveys done on other groups. I'd be interested to see what other people have to say on this though, and before we do anything more we might do well to ask at WP:RS/N whether, and how, 'Furry Research Center' survey results should be used. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:50, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Since no one did anything or commented I decided to just edit the thing myself. CycoMa1 (talk) 20:29, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I've now edited the article to remove the WP:OR etc, though I'm still not entirely happy with using the Furry Research Center data. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:34, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

More recent research on zoophilia.

The "Sexual aspects" section cites a poll from 2008 which found 17% of respondents to identify as zoophiles. However, I noticed another source from 2019 that found only 6.9% of respondents were interested in zoophilia. I think that further recent sources for this section should be pursued: From my experience, the fandom has an overwhelmingly negative view on zoophilia as a whole, and it is evident to me that the 2008 study is no longer an accurate representation of the fandom. (Forgive me if I'm using this section wrong, I'm still learning how to use Misplaced Pages.) — GreyAwoo (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. As I noted above, using furry-specific research organisations might be seen as problematic, but as long as we make it clear where the data is coming from, and its possible limitations, it is probably better than nothing, and we should obviously use later data if we can. I'll revise the article when I've had a chance to look at the source in more detail. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Andy. As you review, please do note the credentials of the researchers involved in the FurScience project - many of them appear to be published in a variety of journals, etc. While some of them are furries, they certainly are not furry-specific in their scope of research as a whole. The project's been running for some time, it's quite comprehensive, and the research team has certainly been quite professional and focused, from everything I've seen. In addition, there is a fair bit of media coverage in which the project is covered and the experts in question used as sources. Cheers! Tony Fox (arf!) 04:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Certainly the research being cited by the media is a point in their favour. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:48, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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I'd like to update the photo under Sociological Aspects to this one:

Gravellyplain (talk) 00:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Why? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:35, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

No. Sorry!--TZubiri (talk) 06:06, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

The terms "Furry" and "Fursonas" as an insult.

In my own the offensive version of the terms "Furry" and "Fursonas" is considered very homophobic and right-wing, and used it on politics, because of this, they probably resembled them as liberals and leftists, and this needs to stop! And I wish someone would create a term called "Right-wing fanboy(s)", to resemble right-wing extremists! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TakeHaru03 (talk • contribs) 05:11, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here - a language barrier, perhaps. Are you saying that there are some who use these terms as insults and that those who do this tend to be homophobic and/or far right? In general, furries tend to be more LGBTQ-friendly and on average are more left-leaning than the general population, at least in the USA (I think IFRP has covered this, though I don't have their research in front of me). If "furry" and "fursona" are being used in such a manner, we would want to find reliable sources covering such usage before including it in Misplaced Pages. mwalimu59 (talk) 16:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Of course it is. And people with far-right views are using it as a slur! — Preceding unsigned comment added by TakeHaru03 (talk • contribs)

As you have already been told on your talk page, Misplaced Pages article talk pages are not a forum. Either make an actual proposal for editing, directly backed up by published reliable sources, or find somewhere other than Misplaced Pages to complain. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:55, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TakeHaru03 (talk • contribs)

What. I'm a furry myself and I have never heard of anyone saying that the terms "Furry" and "Fursonas" are homophobic or right-wing. In fact, we find "furry" and "fursona" the proper terms. While technically there is also "anthro" that's mainly referring to making animals look human-like. ― Blaze Wolf_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

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