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Precious anniversary

Precious

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Six years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Woah there, buckaroo!

	A Crested Wood Partridge
	Take this bird as a gift from me to you because stuff like this is surely not true! You're an insightful contributor, and we love to see you! Therefore, please do reconsider. –MJL ‐Talk‐ 21:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Awarded for scrutinising useless California stubs. Geschichte (talk) 12:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Seconded... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Box Springs, California AfD

Hello Mangoe and happy 2021 to you. I am wondering if you could have a look at some of the improvements I've made to the article, Box Springs, California, which you had nominated for deletion. I've been able to expand it a bit and add more citations. I just hate to lose articles on springs of any sort, since springs were often the reason why indigenous people and later settlers spent time there, and developed them into "places." I haven't yet had the time to include the archaeological history of the springs, but am hoping that my improvements as they stand might be enough for you to consider withdrawing the nomination. Thanks and best, Netherzone (talk) 21:29, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with WP:GEOLAND

I've happened upon Carbury, North Dakota, and my intuitive sense is this isn't notable, but it's not really my field. The lack of a post office seems to match with what I've seen in deleted unincorporated-community stubs, and satellite view is a couple houses by the side of the road. I know that even the tiniest locales count as notable in most cases, though, so I don't want to PROD/AfD this without running it by someone who knows a lot more than me. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 08:22, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet:, This is an interesting case because the searching and topos show what a real small, isolated unincorporated town ought to turn up. The maps and photos show that there used to be more of a grid of town buildings, with a station/elevator on the now abandoned rail line to the southwest. Meanwhile I get hits for businesses and for the townspeople petitioning for various services. It's rather surprising that no post office is mentioned, but that's not unheard of. Also, from my perspective this one has the distinct advantage of having something of a story, which most of the places we've been deleting did not. So I'd say this one is a keeper, by the standards generally applied. And thanks for bringing this one to my attention, because it is an interesting case in the other direction. Mangoe (talk) 16:28, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I am sensing that you're going after all the trees of California, now that the wacky Californian naming system has finally been cracked by archaeologists. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 07:02, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy Boharo (AfD discussion) by the way. Uncle G (talk) 16:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Also now enjoy Misplaced Pages:Reliability of GNIS data/Ramsay Place-Name Card Collection. Uncle G (talk) 15:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Very hard challenge

• Ogle, Kentucky

Uncle G (talk) 16:53, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

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Jimtown, Delaware

Jimtown, Delaware

I found one passing reference to this in a congressional hearing as a black town, and going through it on Streetview, it looks like the sort of place blacks were relegated to in these parts. Other than a bunch of goings on about running sewer in the area courtesy of a nearby development, though, I'm not finding anything. You have a better knack for this sort of thing than I do, so I'd appreciate it if you could try to dig some history up on it. Mangoe (talk) 02:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey Mangoe,

I'm traveling out of state right now after the death of a relative, and without most of my paper references. However, I was able to start work on Jimtown. Given more time, I think it could become a decent article. Right now, I'm hampered by having only Internet access, and no paper references. This one is also more challenging because there are at least three places named Jimtown picked up in Delaware newspaper articles: one in New Castle County , one in Sussex County, and one in Pennsylvania. I've taken great care in making certain the article contains information on the correct (Sussex) Jimtown. More might come in the next few days, although I'm on the road and don't have my physical books around me. So far, I haven't even found the congressional hearing reference you mentioned. Ah, well. It's a start. Firsfron of Ronchester 08:26, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Geography Barnstar
		Your nomination here was both funny and well-crafted. I appreciate your effort in systematically reviewing and nominating (where appropriate) these GEO-stubs. And appreciate your consistent commitment to WP:BEFORE. Keep it up. Thanks! St★lwart 04:51, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

AfD?

Hey, this one doesn't seem to have worked... There's no discussion in the log. St★lwart 01:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Stalwart111: oops, it does help to click the publish button. Mangoe (talk) 01:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Indeed! All good! St★lwart 01:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Double templates for New Castle Co.

So there's apparently Template:New Castle County, Delaware and Template:Brandywine Hundred, Delaware. But Brandywine Hundred is part of Newcastle County. So I'm struggling to figure out why there's two templates for communities in the same county. My guess is maybe length, but that might not be an issue once the NN subdivisions are culled out. A lot of the names in the Brandywine Hundred sound like subdivisions - I'll be amazed if Claymont Addition isn't a subdivision/housing development of some sort. Hog Farm _Talk 04:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I've put it up for deletion. There is way too much on hundreds in Delaware when the reality is that people stopped caring about them sometime in the 1800s. Mangoe (talk) 12:57, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

GNIS being down

So GNIS has had this notice up on their website for close to a week, and I'm frankly not entirely for sure what it's saying. Direct quote from the text is Data Content: Since GNIS staff has been unable to maintain Domestic administrative names for quite some time (since October 1, 2014), these records will be archived from GNIS database and will no longer be available through the GNIS application. The data will be archived into separate files that can be downloaded from ScienceBase. We will no longer update the file once records are archived. All the information pertaining to the records will be available for download in the same format we use for the other text files. We will create a main names file, in the same format as the National file and an AllNames file (includes official and variant names). The following feature classes will be archived: Airport, Bridge, Building, Cemetery, Church, Dam, Forest, Harbor, Hospital, Mine, Oilfield, Park, Post Office, Reserve, School, Tower, Trail, Tunnel, and Well. The removal and archival of administrative names will also take place within the next three months.

It looks like the overall application is down for a rework and will eventually be back up in a somewhat familiar form. But what exactly does the part above about archiving files for administrative names mean? I can't tell if it means that they're removing those features from GNIS, putting them in a separate application, or just removing them from the giant .txt files you can download directly from GNIS. Hog Farm _Talk 00:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

I dropped a note about this on the talk page of WP:GNIS. I have to say the statement that "We will provide a date for the implementation of the new GNIS as soon as we know it" does not warm the cockles of this software developer's heart. With a sensible project to don't announce that the old system is coming down until you know the day you're going to put up the replacement, especially on a static retrieval system like this. Mangoe (talk) 03:28, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Chaldean Catholic Territory Dependent on the Patriarch of Jerusalem for deletion

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I am having a hard time finding other people to vote on this DR. This DR has already been relisted twice and you voted on a very similar DR, so I decided to make you aware of this other DR. Veverve (talk) 06:38, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

Me.

Hey man I am not a super active editor. If I am doing something you think is wrong why not just speak to me?Super (talk) 19:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Eight years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Chilocco, Oklahoma

Found this article; looks like it was nothing more than the old Indian school with a possible mobile post office (post offices don't mean communities per many other AfDs, after all). Would you support me taking this to AfD? wizzito | say hello! 22:53, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wizzito: I would just redirect it to the school and the the detail about the post office to the latter. It's on thing when the "really something else" isn't notable, but the school certainly is. Mangoe (talk) 01:44, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Mar Saba letter for deletion

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GordonGlottal (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Scotland cop-outs

• User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish/Archive 5#Geography cop-outs

Spare a thought for the Scots, who have no GNIS to tell them falsehoods authoritatively. So they go with the "I live on this housing estate. I don't need histories of my town. I know where the bowling club is." approach. Uncle G (talk) 07:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Van Cott mis-use

• Clive, Utah (AfD discussion)

I see that you have more things to look at. ☺

Uncle G (talk) 01:27, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

"Stub cleanup is a massive effort"

Hi! I was browsing through the recent arbcom case and saw you made a statement on this issue. I was hoping you could expand here on how you've seen stub cleanup be a big effort and any problems you see with how Misplaced Pages deals with stub articles. I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on this. — Ixtal ⁂ Join WP:FINANCE! 23:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - One of the big things is that no-research stub creation can take seconds if they're being created according to a formula, but it takes much longer to research an article and determine that it is problematic. Stuff like Fish Pond, Kentucky (AfD discussion) or Little Green Store, Arkansas (AfD discussion) or {On AFD|Fiddlers Green, California}} or Big Right Hand, West Virginia (AfD discussion) require very little to create with little to no actual backing, but are a pain to delete. It's less of a disparity now, but it's still very uneven in the responsibility required to create poorly sourced stubs and to delete poorly sourced stubs that turn out to be errors/NN. Hog Farm _Talk 23:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)