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Articles needing images
Category:Misplaced Pages requested images of philately is the new holding place for philatelic missing image articles. Such missing images are tagged in a field of our project assessment banner. I've uploaded around a dozen mainly non-free logos, but there are 100+ mainly for people, so any help will be appreciate. Remember that, before uploading, one should wait at least six months after their death and must make reasonable efforts to find freely licenced images before simply uploading a non-free one to this wiki. Don't forget to change the image-needed box in our banner on the talk page to no. Good luck. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ww2censor (talk • contribs) 15:49, 7 October 2018
Several lists nominated for deletion
Several lists of people on postage stamps in are up for deletion. See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Lists_of_people. It looks like some of the pages aren't tagged with this WikiProject's banner, but would be of interest. Ah, I see there's a more specific section about this above. Keeping this notification, however, as others have been nominated since then. — Rhododendrites \\ 15:41, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
- I am quite disturbed by these nominations. The underlying argument from the contributors most active with deletion proposals seem to be that stamps are irrelevant trivia. Bw --Orland (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- Indeed, one wonders how List of Pokémon Trading Card Game sets is not trivia... :-) But the debating illustrates a practical problem - how does one justify a list in such a way that future skeptics don't try to take aim at it? When Eclecticology and I and others first worked on these lists in the early days, notability seemed so obvious it didn't need to be said. If it now does need to be said, how does one say it? In thumbing through the featured lists, I came across List of people on United States banknotes, and since the banknote design process is 90% identical to the stamp process, it seems worth studying that list and its background more closely. Stan (talk) 20:39, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- I've seen a few of these discussions at Articles for Discussion. I have a lot of sympathy for the editors who created these, due to the reasonable assumption that the topic is notable. There is presumably some topics where notability is obvious: List of Countries, List of Chemical Elements and while this is less clear, the assumption was reasonable. Also it seems that a small number of editors are now rushing to libraries to find offline sources, during a pandemic, with a 7 days window, for maybe 100+ deletion nominations.
- Would a fairer approach be to have a wider discussion if, in general, List of people on postage stamps is a notable thing? I don't have the experience to know what that forum would be. Maybe WP:RFC, maybe a topic at WT:N? - more experienced editors might know better. I am neutral on issues of philately but the status quo seems to be rushing something bigger than the average article. CT55555 (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know if a wider discussion would go much differently. I suspect there is a strong age correlation; people over 50 remember having to think about how to get stamps, deciding which types to use, reading announcements in the newspaper, having bar arguments about whether so-and-so was on a stamp, etc, and so for them the value of a list seems intuitively obvious. Without that personal history, it seems like more of a random topic. Plus, there have been stamps issued for trivial reasons, especially by certain countries in recent years, and even the philatelic experts are unsure how to handle them (some catalogues list them, and some don't). So I think a workable rule is going to need some background research - on my agenda, but has to compete with other activities. :-) Stan (talk) 13:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- I share your concern. Reading between the lines, I got the impression that you could prove it is a notable subject by the books you mentioned somewhere and if there was a centralised discussion on this, you might not need to fight 75 arguments, just one central one. I suppose deleted articles could be brought back, but I saw advantages if this could interrupt the widespread deletion proposals. CT55555 (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- The American Topical Association doesn't seem to have any generic "people on stamps" publications, but they do have a 5-volume series of women on stamps worldwide, so that would be a solid source for lists of women on stamps for each country, and many of those appearances have interesting backstories too. Stan (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think when people try to delete lists of things that are very wide in nature, it might not be necessary to find one volume that covers everything. To repeat an argument I used elsewhere, if someone proposed to delete History of USA and someone could not find one book that covered it all, but found two books that covered "early history of USA" and "recent history of USA" I think that would prove notability. I'm not certain of this, but I don't know if one source to cover everything is necessary? I could be wrong. CT55555 (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- You are right in that one source isn't necessary. As a practical matter, for any list that grows over time, printed works are only going to cover up to the most recent edition, and it would be some twisted logic to argue that a list is sufficiently notable for WP until the end of the year in which the source was published, then becomes instantly becomes un-notable. :-) Stan (talk) 17:20, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I think when people try to delete lists of things that are very wide in nature, it might not be necessary to find one volume that covers everything. To repeat an argument I used elsewhere, if someone proposed to delete History of USA and someone could not find one book that covered it all, but found two books that covered "early history of USA" and "recent history of USA" I think that would prove notability. I'm not certain of this, but I don't know if one source to cover everything is necessary? I could be wrong. CT55555 (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- The American Topical Association doesn't seem to have any generic "people on stamps" publications, but they do have a 5-volume series of women on stamps worldwide, so that would be a solid source for lists of women on stamps for each country, and many of those appearances have interesting backstories too. Stan (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- I share your concern. Reading between the lines, I got the impression that you could prove it is a notable subject by the books you mentioned somewhere and if there was a centralised discussion on this, you might not need to fight 75 arguments, just one central one. I suppose deleted articles could be brought back, but I saw advantages if this could interrupt the widespread deletion proposals. CT55555 (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don't know if a wider discussion would go much differently. I suspect there is a strong age correlation; people over 50 remember having to think about how to get stamps, deciding which types to use, reading announcements in the newspaper, having bar arguments about whether so-and-so was on a stamp, etc, and so for them the value of a list seems intuitively obvious. Without that personal history, it seems like more of a random topic. Plus, there have been stamps issued for trivial reasons, especially by certain countries in recent years, and even the philatelic experts are unsure how to handle them (some catalogues list them, and some don't). So I think a workable rule is going to need some background research - on my agenda, but has to compete with other activities. :-) Stan (talk) 13:25, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
- I guess the closest thing to a general discussion about these is the bulk nomination at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lists of people on the postage stamps of countries (A-B). In my latest comment on that page, I indicated that some country-specific philatelic literature does include lists of people on stamps. Perhaps we should limit the discussion of all this to the bulk nomination page to have everything in one place? Xwejnusgozo (talk) 01:22, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- It would be a good idea to give positive examples of lists that are worth keeping. Lupe (talk) 15:59, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lists of people on postage stamps closed as keep
Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Lists of people on postage stamps closed as keep, consensus was quite clear that the general topics of people on postage stamps was notable. Members may wish to note the sources that were used to establish notability. CT55555 (talk) 00:10, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
Scope of "Great Britain commemorative stamps..." articles
Do the articles in the "Great Britain commemorative stamps..." family of articles (e.g. Great Britain commemorative stamps 2020–2029) not include stamps issued for use in Northern Ireland? -- DeFacto (talk). 10:48, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- As a part of the United Kingdom, there are no postage stamps valid only for use in Northern Ireland. Stamps have been issued with Northern Ireland scenes or emblems but those are either commemorative stamps valid throughout the UK, as an English-themed stamp would be valid in N.I., or regional postage stamps of Great Britain which are a form of definitive stamp intended primarily for use in N.I. but still valid in the whole of the U.K. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- @Philafrenzy, thanks for your reply. It seems then that NI has the same status, as far as stamps are concerned, as England, Scotland, and Wales. I was wondering why the articles were titled "Great Britain commemorative stamps...", which excludes Northern Ireland (it only covers England, Scotland, and Wales), rather than "United Kingdom commemorative stamps..." which is fully inclusive of all four UK nations. -- DeFacto (talk). 07:16, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I agree on both points. All UK stamps are valid throughout the whole of the UK, regardless of what they may show. Incidentally, there are plenty of NI scenes on UK stamps as Royal Mail are careful to be inclusive of all the nations of the UK, particularly in more recent years. I can think of the Giant's Causeway on a 1981 commemorative, and these too. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I guess they all need moving to the more inclusive name then. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:26, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Probably. I created the category Philately of the United Kingdom a decade ago which has many "British" and "Great Britain" articles but they are not all wrong, for instance, I wouldn't move British post offices in Morocco just for the sake of consistency. There are others too that may be better left. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I was only thinking of the six "Great Britain commemorative stamps..." articles (...1970–1979, ...1980–1989, ...1990–1999, ...2000-2009, ...2010–2019, and ...2020–2029), where the problem is quite apparent. They should be renamed as "United Kingdom commemorative stamps...". -- DeFacto (talk). 09:48, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Probably. I created the category Philately of the United Kingdom a decade ago which has many "British" and "Great Britain" articles but they are not all wrong, for instance, I wouldn't move British post offices in Morocco just for the sake of consistency. There are others too that may be better left. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:31, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I guess they all need moving to the more inclusive name then. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:26, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I agree on both points. All UK stamps are valid throughout the whole of the UK, regardless of what they may show. Incidentally, there are plenty of NI scenes on UK stamps as Royal Mail are careful to be inclusive of all the nations of the UK, particularly in more recent years. I can think of the Giant's Causeway on a 1981 commemorative, and these too. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Philafrenzy, thanks for your reply. It seems then that NI has the same status, as far as stamps are concerned, as England, Scotland, and Wales. I was wondering why the articles were titled "Great Britain commemorative stamps...", which excludes Northern Ireland (it only covers England, Scotland, and Wales), rather than "United Kingdom commemorative stamps..." which is fully inclusive of all four UK nations. -- DeFacto (talk). 07:16, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Updates to 2020 Postal Voting in U.S. Article
Hello! I'm a U.S. Postal Service employee seeking to update the Postal voting in the 2020 United States elections article. This WikiProject is listed on that article's Talk page, so I thought this might be a good place to ask for help.
I recently proposed a redraft of the article's Postal service crisis section, which appears not to have been edited much since 2020, when it was describing ongoing events. I rewrote a handful of sentences so that they're now in past tense, cleaned up a few citation templates, and added some information on how the Postal Service eventually performed in the 2020 election. You can read my full edit request on the Postal Voting in 2020 Talk page, and the section draft is accessible on my user page.
As a USPS employee, I can't make direct edits to agency-related pages. I have to suggest changes and then let independent editors decide whether they pass muster or not. If someone from this WP could review my section draft, I would really appreciate it. I'm open to any feedback you might have. Thanks! Jonathan with U.S. Postal Service (talk) 01:09, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
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