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What is communism?
An encyclopedia is supposed to inform about that what a word is usually used for. In face of that, it might be rationally relevant that none of the states that were, or periods of time in which they were, referred to as communist states by their leading employees or usually elsewhere, often as the only word to describe the difference between them and the other states in economical policy, came anywhere close either in practical intent or in implementation to “the absence of social classes, money, and the state“, the latter two at least. Because these states or periods of time in the history of states are what the word Communism is used for most, possibly this part of the definition of communism here should be changed to something like “in communist teaching is the ideal of the absence of social classes, money and the state“.
Shouldn't the definition be what the creator of the definition made it, they created the term. You can explain that the term is generally used to mean how the countries that claim to be communism turned out. This also goes for fascism, Misplaced Pages page for Fascism, including the talk page are both semi-protected so I couldn't type this there. However the way fascism is described in the article has very little to do with the actual meaning of fascism in the fascist manifesto. Is it the same for the Communist article, is the article only describing the description of countries that claim to be communist and offer no information on what it mean in the Communist manifesto? 2603:90C8:503:BE18:A1DD:1767:B72:A10C (talk) 04:37, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
This is a bad faith, baseless and unconstructive comment. This pages discussion should be limited to educational discourse not empty posturing by the insecure. Houseratz (talk) 13:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
It might, but the page for Fascism does not. Why am I mentioning it here? Because the talk page for fascism is locked. Where are we suppose to state things about articles of the talk page is locked? If the Communism article does so, why doesn't the fascism article? 2603:90C8:503:BE18:2DA5:6110:764:DA9B (talk) 06:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
Good point..I would debate the whole idea of communism being far left although fascism seems to fit as far right..to me communism is only a word that describes living in a communal way..I guess in the popular sense it does fit as a bunch of people living in a house sharing resources and all that implies — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:2340:9470:3D3F:2251:46DE:D9FE (talk) 00:42, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
I don`t think it does. What I meant is that the article says "communist society also involves ", rather than "communist teaching also says that communist society involves ". 129.69.140.138 (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
It should be clear at the very beginning of the article that 'Communist states' are misnomers. The role of an encyclopedia should be focused clear education. Corrupt governments have a vested interest in disguising their politics as less offensive through their branding. Misplaced Pages must undercut this dishonesty and be clear about the facts of the matter. Communism describes X, these countries brand themselves as X but function on the basis of Y. Having an article where cynical branding is lumped with honest philosophy is irresponsible and unethical. Houseratz (talk) 13:55, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Which is my point, the Communism article mentions the definition as written, and also the definition of how states that used the term acted. But the Fascism article doesn't mention the term in the way it was written. I read the manifesto, it does not fit the wikipedia definition of facisim at all. 2603:90C8:503:BE18:252D:CACC:B4F7:B2C7 (talk) 05:40, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
This is the author of the original argument posted from 46.114.149.97. I want to say that my point of view is that both the practical and the theoretical meaning of communism should be mentioned, but perhaps the practical meaning (that is also probably relevant to the majority of people, that is probably not communist), including the resulting abuses, first. My primary concern is that in the cause for "the absence of social classes, money, and the state", communism is a roadblock by its authoritativeness about how it embodies and champions such a cause, while it is in practice mainly concerned with locking down culture, public expression, and voting systems in favor of state economy, and then perhaps formal equality of people of different fixed traits like gender and religion, and perhaps some environment protection. How libertarian aspects might be insinuated by the precedence of such a definition, however meant by the original authors of communism, in effect is a neglection of neutrality in favor of its misleading advertising to a libertarian clientele (by libertarians, I mean radical proponents of personal freedom also against the implications of property). I distance myself from what 2603:90C8:503:BE18:2DA5:6110:764:DA9B apparently perhaps meant, that it would also resolve this issue if fascism were given the first word on Misplaced Pages about what it actually is. 129.69.140.138 (talk) 20:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
According to the Fascism article Fascism is far right, a giant red banner with a hand saying this can not be changed, except the fascist manifesto is no way is similar to far right. Why is there no giant red banner saying Communist if Far left, when the Communist manifesto is far left? Why am I posting this here? Because th4e fascism TALK page is locked.
Things that are in the fascism manifesto
corporations can do as they wish, UNLESS they harm the environment OR citizens then we'll restrict them.
Nationalism is good - Nationalism doesn't mean the country it means the collective of the citizens.
Things like that?
So that's what you're saying is far right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:90C8:503:BE18:E18A:9049:BC5C:33EE (talk) 07:49, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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"Both Gerstle and Scheidel posit that as economic elites in the West became more fearful of possible communist revolutions in their own societies, especially as the tyranny and violence associated with communist governments became more apparent, the more willing they were to compromise and collaborate with the working class, and much less so once the threat wained."
There is an unmet burden of proof for it being practical unachievable. History is itself constantly debated, in question and cannot be a reference of 'proved things'. Ergo this is an unsourced assertion. Please either present credible evidence for a real contradiction implied by the premise of communism or cease your attempts to insert your feelings based ideas into this medium. Houseratz (talk) 13:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
No feelings here, just trying to flesh things out. If practice is not a proof, then such section as "utopia" itself does not make any sense: we can not, prove the impossibility of, say, transhumanism, which does belong to that class, as well. However, further dispute does not make much sense, as seems like I was wrong, and Communist society (https://en.wikipedia.org/Communist_society) is already included into Utopias, so as for me everything is now fine and no amendments required. Thank you for the response. 126.113.237.114 (talk) 02:13, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
It's hard to predict what social organization will be in 1.000 years, 1 million years or 100 million years time. Certainly the ancient Greeks could not predict modern capitalism, so it's hard to believe that post-WW2 ideology is necessarily the end of history. TFD (talk) 04:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
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Please edit this page to remove the section making the contrast "a more vanguardist or communist party-driven approach through the development of a constitutional socialist state followed by Friedrich Engels' withering away of the state" as this confuses the reader to believe that the name drop of Engles implies that Leninist Vanguardism is something endorsed by or derived from Engles when this has no basis. This page is often abused as a tool to conflate "in name only" communist countries with the political philosophy of communism. Misnomers exist and should be clearly identified as such. Marx's communism does not prescribe the Marxist Leninist philosophy and strategy of government. Britannica makes this distinction very clearly as an example of better practice . Please add this sentiment in the first paragraph with a clearly written paraphrasing of 'However, none of these (nominal communist countries) meet the true definition of communism... While all five countries (nominal communist countries) have authoritarian governments, their commitment to abolishing capitalism is debatable.' Houseratz (talk) 13:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
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