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Young female cattle (heifers), young male cattle (oxen or bullocks), and castrated male cattle (steers) are all colloquially called "cows".

By urbanites, yes. Not so simple among country folk who actually raise cattle, at least in the U.S. And used as a singular, a visitor to the farm/ranch referring to a male as a cow can trigger a response ranging from giggles expressing humor to smirks perceived as derision. Somewhat less so if an obvious steer is called a bull, since at least the m/f distinction is recognized, but a comment along the lines of "That's an ex-bull" would not be surprising. -- The question: why is this (semi-true, misleading) statement in the lede in the first place? Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 15:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, doesn't need to be in the lead. It's out now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

Passed. Wolverine XI 07:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Nominator: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: Wolverine XI (talk · contribs) 19:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

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This article is a bit undercooked in some areas. Fear not—for I will assist you in correctly cooking this article to fulfill the needs of the hungry readers. Well, tomorrow that is. Wolverine XI 19:56, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 00:29, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Reading now. Expect a review in 40 minutes. Wolverine XI 15:41, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Review

Why link male and females? Everyone knows the distinction
- Gone.

In India, cattle are sacred animals. Needs more context
- extended.

There were over 940 million cattle in the world in 2022. in => by
- Edited.

Cattle are responsible for around 7% of global greenhouse gas emissions. Cattle were one of the first domesticated animals to have a fully-mapped genome. Don't start two consecutive sentences with the same word
- Fixed.

kept on farms to produce meat, milk, and leather, and sometimes to pull carts or farm implements. What does this have to do with its physical attributes?
- Moved.

Nothing about horn, skin color, body measurements, exceptional individuals.
- Added.

Calves prefer their own mother's vocalizations to those of an unfamiliar mother. Unfamiliar mother?
- Edited.

but less good at localising sounds than goats, and much less good than dogs or humans. Don't like the sound of "less good"
- Edited.

Any reason why evolution is in that position?
- We have the biology first - characteristics, behavior, genetics, evolution; then we have the human-facing aspects from husbandry to culture.

Poland, in about 1627. in about?
- Fixed.

The meat of adult cattle is known as beef, and that of calves is veal. is veal => as veal
- Done.

Other animal parts => other body parts
- Fixed.

If the calf is male, it generally is slaughtered at a young age to produce veal. it generally is => it is generally. Sounds better, IMO
- Fixed.

Around 22 litres per day is average in the UK. is average => on average
- Edited.

BSE can cross into humans as the deadly variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease; 178 people in the UK died from it. Date? This can easily expire.
- Added.

For "in culture", what about literature and media portrayals?
- Added.

References

Hasheider 2011 needs page nos.
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Hopper 2014 needs page nos.
- Identifies chapters.

Coetzee 2013 needs page nos.
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Grandin 2015 needs page nos.
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Doyle & Moran 2015 needs page nos.
- Added.

Glyn & Julian 2002 needs page nos.
- Added.

Well, that took longer than expected. I guess I'm a slow reader, but the important thing is that I got the review done in a timely manner. Good work, almost GA-quality. Wolverine XI 16:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

All done to date, many thanks for the review. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Driveby comment

I think the Science Direct source should be replaced, based on this discussion. Esculenta (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Gone. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:27, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Greenhouse gas percentage?

@Chiswckchap As Lula has been in power for a while now so there is less deforestation would it be OR to ignore land use change and simply tick the 4 Climate Trace boxes which mention “cattle”? Also we could link to their methodology, which they explain in detail. Then the lead could just say “more than 4%” which is not likely to change for years.

I mean although the FAO is presumably a more reliable source than Climate Trace a lot has changed since 2015, and I have not yet been able to find the FAO methodology. Chidgk1 (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

It sounds extremely risky to me, so please, let's not do it. Further, this article is currently going through a GAN review, so it's definitely not a great moment. A third thing: this is not the right article for intricate detail on environmental matters, as it's the top-level article on all things Cattle; we already have Environmental impact of cattle production for exactly that subject. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:22, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah thanks I did not notice that article - I will move some detail there and ask on that talk page Chidgk1 (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

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