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This is Lquilter's personal diff-log of incidents relevant to the Nadine Gordimer dispute and questions regarding conduct of editors. It is a work in progress and is not yet complete. Feel free to copy and make your own annotations, but please do not edit this document. --lquilter 12:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


Full history references

Nadine Gordimer pages
Nicholas Stix aka 70.23.*
Other major editors of Nadine Gordimer
Minor editors of the assault paragraph on Nadine Gordimer

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Talk page editors

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Comments on third-party pages

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Relevant administration & conflict resolution links

Nadine Gordimer dispute

Prehistory of edit war

  • Michaelbarreto adds incident sans race to Nadine Gordimer article 10/29 (diff)
  • 85.192.17.13 adds race & the Times cite to Nadine Gordimer article 10/29 (diff)
  • Gfourie removes race, 10/30 (diff)
  • 67.189.105.50 adds race and wedding ring detail, 10/31 (diff)
  • 24.5.85.249 copy-edits incident, 11/5 (diff)
  • 196.207.40.213 removes race; adds Gordimer's response, 11/7 (diff)

Edits, reverts, and talk pages re: 70.23.*

  • DianaW (as 70.20.170.99) removed incident altogether, 11/18 (diff) and brings it to the Nadine Gordimer talk page (diff)
  • 70.23.*/Nicholas Stix (as 70.23.177.216) adds incident, with race, without Gordimer's comment, and adding in "grim irony"] 11/30 04:17 (diff)
  • DianaW brought it up on the Nadine Gordimer talk page again, noted POV, and invited way to write report neutrally without ugly racial overtones (diff); and edited own comment 11/30 23:29 (diff); and reposted very polite message on 70.23.*'s page, 11/30 23:30 (diff)
  • Lquilter agrees on talk page that the material is not notable and was being written to make a subtle racist claim, 12/1 01:10 (diff)
  • 70.23.* responds on talk page at length; first calls Lquilter & DianaW censors; alleges that DianaW "seems to hate whites, and imposes her hatred on articles by promoting the casting of whites in the worst light possible, while suppressing, based on race alone, any factual reporting (forget about opinion) that casts blacks as anything but the victims of whites. If that isn't racist, I don't know what is." Notes that DianaW insinuated that 70.23.* was racist. Talks about censor's allies. Criticizes Misplaced Pages NPOV. (diff)
  • DianaW responds heatedly on Nadine Gordimer talk page, including "There is no possible reason to add this material here that is not racist." 12/1 02:45 (diff)
  • Lquilter responds on Nadine Gordimer talk page, 12/1, 03:22: points out the incident is not notable; POV of irony comment; suggests the sorts of things that would make incident or race notable (diff)

summarized but not detailed

  • 12/2 RFC filed by Lquilter on WP:RFC/BIO (diff)
  • 12/3 Lquilter revert (diff)
  • 12/4 NPOV tag added by Lquilter on Nadine Gordimer (diff)
  • 12/4 19:04 Wikiquette alert about 70.23.* posted by Lquilter; also asking for comments on DianaW and Lquilter behavior (diff)
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  • Lquilter sought advice from John Broughton (from wikiquette) regarding editor; advised to contiue reverting politely while in the majority, and to offer mediation.
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  • Lquilter - significant non-assault edits on Nadine Gordimer page (Jan 2007)
  • 130.* and 70.23.* begin their edit war: See Jan. 19 diff on Talk:Trisha Meili, possibly the first time 130.* responded to 70.23.* (130.* interventions on Nadine Gordimer began shortly thereafter but were much less frequent than 70.23.*)
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  • 70.23.* involved in fracas with AuburnPilot and Physicq on another matter; blocked for personal attacks
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  • Lquilter - began developing RFC & mediation but 70.23.* not active, and Lquilter then on wikibreak
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  • Will Beback files a notice on the Conflict of Interest noticeboard regarding 72.* other edits on other pages (WP:COIN:70.23.199.239). Discussion quickly moves to civility issues.

Yakuman joins

  • 3/13 - Yakuman joins in, reinserting the assault + race + grim irony quote. (diff)
  • LQ removed saying take it to talk page
  • 3/14 Yakuman replaced
  • 3/14 LQ sectioned & put POV section header in
  • 3/14 Yakuman removed POV section header, and rewrote to include assault + race but not irony quote; edit summary included 3RR reminder
  • 3/14 LQ deleted race
  • 3/14 18:34 Yakuman added race in, labeling it a 3RR reversion
  • 3/14 19:37 130.* reverted, deleting race
  • 3/14 19:50 Yakuman reverted, adding race
  • 3/14 20:08 130.* reverted, deleting race
  • 3/14 20:10 75.83.18.55 reverted, adding race; edit summary "vandalism"
  • 3/14 20:13 130.* reveretd, deleting race
  • 3/14 20:36 75.83.18.55 reverted, adding race
  • 3/14 21;09 Lquilter sectioned and put POV section header in
  • 3/14 23:58 Yakuman removed sectioning
  • 3/15 00:04 Yakuman added details ("high security" ... "locked in storeroom")
  • 3/15 00:06 Lquilter re-sectioned
  • 3/15 00:08 Yakuman removed sectioning

Andyparkerson joins

  • 3/15 01:30 Andyparkerson resectioned, rewrote (removed "high tech security", adding in "neither injured")
  • 3/15 04:08 Anyparkerson moved material to wikinews


... weirdest edit war yet: Yakuman keeps removing NPOV-section tag insisting his version is neutral (4/3 around 13:44) and Lquilter keeps putting it back in because it includes all the disputed content; Yakuman also makes various insulting assertions on Talk:Lquilter and gives her a 3RR for replacing the NPOV tag


... Lquilter adding significant non-assault edits; Yakuman and Andyparkerson making relatively minor edits to that content; Yakuman also asked for page protection

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  • 75.213.227.60 reverts, adding back in race, "high tech security", and "locked in storeroom" (4/3 15:42) (diff)


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  • 75.213.225.215 reverts, adding back in race, "high tech security", "locked in storeroom" (4/3 15:55) (diff)


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  • 75.213.225.215 reverts, adding back in race, "high tech security", "locked in storeroom"; also deletes npov-section tag (4/3 16:01) (diff)
  • Lquilter retags with npov-section (4/3 16:10 (diff)


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  • 75.212.126.146 reverts, adding back in "high tech security" and "locked in storeroom" (4/3 16:40) (diff)


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  • Andyparkerson files mediation
  • Willbeback bans 70.23.* for 30 days for personal attacks citing in particular one long post placed in several locations
  • Yakuman continues to defend 70.23.* and accuses Willbeback of bad faith
  • Willbeback posts note on Administrators Board / Incidents


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  • Yakuman removes the npov-section tag (04/11, 07:25)

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  • Doldrums adds back in npov-section tag (4/11, 08:29) ()