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Hate speech

Refrain from calling those with whom you disagree 'haters'. The information is sourced and factual. If you don't like it, bring other sources which bring different stories. Do not delete information from articles. Thank you. --Daniel575 | (talk) 08:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

excuse me, but sources that lie blatently are not "sourced and factual", it has nothing to do with agreeing to my opinion or not agreeing, it's about propagating hatepseech and then crediting it as a factual source. on that same note, seconddraft.com have been rejected from being cited on the al-dura liable.


Image:Pallywood.jpg

Please see this message. -- RHaworth 19:22, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you please provide source information for this image? As it stands now it is a possible copyright violation and will be deleted. Tewfik 19:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
hello Jaakobouywood! frummer <<-- profound mental retardation.
i believe i gave all the info needed (description and licensing), if you feel a need to protect these propagandists by removing perfectly verifiable images, than it is your problem more than it's mine. Jaakobou 07:31, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with content, but is rather a function of copyright. If the image is lacking in copyright, then it should not have been uploaded to begin with, but now that it has been, it will be deleted unless the proper copyright information can be provided. I have attempted to contact the license holders, but salvaging the image is dependent on their releasing ownership and doing so in a timely manner. Cheers, Tewfik 07:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Tewfik, that is the proper way to address this issue, i was refferring to RHaworth. have a good day. Jaakobou 08:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)



Helpme

how do I delete an image if i have made a mistake in naming it?

Tag it with {{db-author}} and reupload it with the right name.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)




Battle of Jenin

I would say that at the time the rumors were not baseless. If you added a sentence (and cited your source) saying These rumours were later found to be baseless by , I would not object. Park3r 18:56, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

are you kidding me?? a couple of confused arabs say that maybe israel moved bodies by trucks and everybody follows up on it.. and you consider that factual?! .. sure.. maybe the Ouze Merham interview was not baseless either?? .. i bet that was extremely basefull *shrug* ... there's no way to avoid being called a liar if you keep getting caught lying. Jaakobou 21:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Jenin

You can consider it whatever you like, but here on Misplaced Pages we have rules. They include no original research, use of reliable sources, and most importantly, neutral point of view. I suggest you adhere to them and not make false accusations on other's web pages. Ramallite 14:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

your reply is nothing but a smoke screen to your activity on that page. Jaakobou 16:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you.Abu ali 11:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Abu ali, i assumed you're working with good faith until i entered your user page and saw that you link to Meshe Katzav, , as your example of zionism. considering that you added the link only recently, i presume that you know exactly what you're doing and that you present no good faith in any israeli-related topic that you come near to. Jaakobou 09:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Shalom Jaakobou, Moshe Katzav is currently president of the state of Israel. (He has suspended himself, but has still not resigned). The prezident has little actual power in Israel, but acts as a figurehead and symbol of the state. In this respect, I would say he is doing a good job. He was not elected by me, but by the Knesset.
I would appreciate it if you did not edit my user page, as this is considered unacceptable behaviour on Misplaced Pages. If you wish to send me any further warnings, threats or insults, then please feel free to use my talk page instead. Abu ali 10:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


Jaakobou please stop your inappropriate accusations on my talk page. If you have a problem, you are welcome to report me to the appropriate administrative pages or request comment/mediation. Okay? Then I can report how you are calling me a "vandal" and warning me to "butt out" and all this incivility and POV-pushing that you are attempting. Ramallite 13:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps my initial response was a tad uncivil, however, your off-topic irregular responses and continuous deletion of material got the deserving and proper civilized response, i do apologize for the uncivility in my first reaction, i do not appreciate my hard work erased entirely without proper cause and your "cause" did not touch the issue at all and left me feeling that vandalism was applied. Jaakobou 09:00, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

First, try to work with me instead of blindly reverting. OPERATION DEFENSIVE SHIELD was in response to Netanya and all of that. The JENIN thing was a PART of the operation, and not caused entirely by the operation. Second, there are other concerns in that section other than the Netanya mention, including gross original research. You haven't addressed that properly. Third, you wouldn't happen to be User MouseWarrior, would you? Ramallite 14:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

i thought you were the one reverting rather than working with others *scratches head*, the operation in jenin was part of the ODS and the precursors to that operation are integral to the intro.. apparently, i'm not the only one to think so (btw, no need to be paranoid). as for the "original research" claim, i think i've given enough sourcing for all of the information (which btw, is factual). lastly, if you have good sources which explain what you describe to be the palestinian view on this operation (i.e. unprovoked assault by israel), than you are free to add them to the article. however, deletion of integral material is a funny way to display your point of view (i.e. perhaps you wish to portray israel as going for needless attacks). are you by any chance from ramallah? i hear that ramallah is considered the equivalent of tel aviv in the PA controlled areas. Jaakobou 22:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I responded on the Talk:Battle of Jenin page. You have addressed none of my concerns (except with your typical "What Jaakobou says goes" attitude), and you keep reintroducing blatant original research and incorrect interpretation of sources. You also didn't answer my question: Are you User:MouseWarrior? Am I from Ramallah? No I'm from Bnei Brak. My father was a Yeke cymbal player who accidentally rode a ship to Haifa instead of Rio de Janeiro, and my mother was a non-Jewish opera tenor (yes, tenor) from Nigeria. Ramallite 05:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I actually thought i answered all of your concerns, but i guess my message wasn't clear enough:

  • there's no original research in the material i've added - it's all common knowledge and backed up by articles by serious sources (which i took the time to find and add as sourcing).
    The "inconsistent" comment was original research. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • there's simply no reasoning behind removing a precursor to the ODS - and you havn't given a fair reason for doing so. what you have given was persumptions and personal opinions without any serious sourcing.
    It's been restored with an attempt to portray it as coming from the Israeli side and not matter-of-factly. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • i've made the fair play comment that you're entitled to add palestinian point of view, however, you cannot remove the israeli point of view and the fact that bombing attacks have occured... sorry, but israel does not operate in a vacuum... you're old enough to know.
    Israel does not operate in a vacuum. Israel also does not operate under the reasons it tells the world it is operating. For example, if the gader was for security reasons, it would not follow the route it does now. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • i am not mousewarrior, i thought my previous reply was clear enough, but here it is stated bluntly for the record... btw.. i request you remove the accusation from abu ali's page since that is defamation. (i'm also not humus sapians and whatever the other name was of a different person who reverted.. i only have one wikipedia editor account)
    I assume good faith and believe you. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • i'm curious to how you could be from bnei brak but your personal page states you "hail from" rammalah.
    Bnei Brak is the name of my neighbourhood in rammalah. It lies between the neighbourhoods of Allah Akbar and Yiftach Teezo. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • i'm not a hateful person that you might presume me to be, however, factual truth is important to me both in cases of attacks on palestinains and in cases of attacks on israelis - both sides continue a cycle which started back in 1920 by the pan-islamist movement, and it takes some serious research and a heart ready for many blows to find the sad truths behind the conflict... truthfully, and this is not a personal attack, i don't think you have the readyness to look at both sides while negating "figurative speech" from the dialogue.
    Everybody can manufacture their own "truth", it doesn't make it factual. Islamist forces in the 1920s were not very strong like now. If you read enemy history books as well as your own, you will have a much more complete picture. Also, you have to be accurate. For example, some right wing Israelis point to a video of Egyptian radicalism to prove that Palestinians teach their kids to hate. Egyptians are not Palestinians. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • to make my point clear - i suggest you seek out articles on statements by jenin fighters and their intentions upon the idf's counter terrorist activity (a.k.a "counter resistance" in the palestinian territories).
    The Israelis call their actions "counter terrorist". The Palestinians call their actions "counter terrorist". Israelis call suicide bombings as terrorist attacks (rightly so), and Palestinians call Israeli tank/fighter jet/armor attacks deliberately on civilian areas as "terrorist attacks", and the kibush itself is considered "terrorism", also rightfully so. Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
  • btw, in regards to your personal story of decendancy... Ibrahim (avraham) the great was a cnaanite and father of both the hebrew people and the ishmaelites... not a palestinian (interesting use of "figurative speech").
    You are confused, I am not referring to Avraham father of Isaac and Ishmael, but Ibrahim father of Ronit, Mustafa, and Yasser Al-Cohen. Different person. Also, who are the Ishmaelites? Ramallite 04:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

with respect, Jaakobou 07:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV reporting

Copied from AIV: I'm not sure about WP ettiquette and this is more of an iquery rather than a final report. a user has used his personal page to make a bias statement linking an ideaology with an alleged criminal - when pointed out on this and given a warning, his response was to link me with that ideaology and point my username out on his page - i cave him a Please stop. If you continue to vandalise Misplaced Pages, you will be blocked. notice on this obvious offense.. what is the eqttiquette on continued handling of this issue? Jaakobou 11:32, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, issue the user with a final warning - you can do this by adding the following template to his userpage {{test4|Page name being vandalised}} ~~~~ (note, change 'page name being vandalised' to the actual page name. If he continues to act in the manor you have described, report him on AIV (instructions can be found there but you should generally add: *{{Vandal|Username}} reason for requesting block ~~~~ - hope this helps you! RyanPostlethwaite 12:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Please also note, that all comments (uncluding warnings) should be added to peoples talk pages, not there userpages. Regards RyanPostlethwaite 12:19, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jaakobou, You added the following warning to my talk page.

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalise Misplaced Pages, as you did to User:Abu_ali, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

i'm afraid you did not only refuse to remove your obvious connction of an alleged sexual offender from the "Zionism" title, but you made sure that my username stay after it was removed by an admin - your activity has shown that you have the intention of using this platform in a destructive manner even after being given fair warning - this is your third warning. Jaakobou 21:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for putting the warnings on my talk page rather than on my user page this time. Nevertheless I must say your warnings are totally inapropriate. My alledged offence in your eyes is to have a link to the president of the state of Israel on my user page. Adding content that you do not approve of to your own user page is not vandalism. I am not sure if you think you deserve editorial control of my user page. Regarding Moshe Katzav, If you do not like the fact that Katzav is prezident of the State of Israel, then please direct your complaints to those that elected him, not to me. Please calm down Abu ali 06:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Abu ali, I'm emplore of you to cease of your counter-productive use of wikipedia, it is beneath us to waste time over petty defamation and i am not overly interested... mind you, i will consider next action if you will not cease. Jaakobou 07:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


Your friends

Jaakobou, welcome to the project. A couple of things:

thank you for the note. Jaakobou 20:44, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the attention

For factual accuracy: I did not march beside Sheik Abu Tir, on that day Uri Avnery marched beside him while I informed the press about it. I did visit Abu Tir at his home two weeks later, and I did march at another demonstration beside Sheik Hassan Yusuf, also of Hamas. It makes no political difference, but better to be accurate. And thanks for putting in the Arafat picture, it is one of my favorites. Adam Keller 18:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

glad you're happy with the way it turned out. Jaakobou 20:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)



AMA Request

Good afternoon (GMT time); I'd be glad to assist you with regards to a request for advocacy, as posted at my talk page. Email me with the details of the dispute, who is involved and what you would like to see changed.

anthonycfc 14:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Re. Adam Keller

Hello and thank you for contacting me. I usually don't involve myself in the disputes that caused articles to be protected, so it's good to see that you've requested mediation. This article is going to be protected for a while, so I suggest that you also place a request for comment in order to attract more users familiar with the subject to the dispute. Discussing disputed changes on the talk page is always the best solution, especially if you believe that it's just a single user disrupting this article. But I prefer not to be directly involved in this one, I just protected the article to stop an edit war. If the war cools off or a consensus is reached, I'll gladly unprotect it. Best regards, Húsönd 18:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Re. Acre, Israel

Hello. In order to move this, you must propose your move on WP:RM. Please read and follow all the instructions there. You will have to list your proposal so that other users may know about it, and create a discussion area on the talk page of the article. After 5 days, an administrator will close the discussion and either move the article if there's consensus for that, or leave it as it is if there's no such consensus. Feel free to contact me again if you have further questions on this procedure. Regards, Húsönd 02:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

thank you for the help, submission made, feel free to read my reasoning and to state an opinon (if you feel like it) - Talk - acre,israel Jaakobou 18:06, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


Re:misconduct and page warring

Well, first off, Nishkid's reply at the noticeboard sums up pretty well what I would say. I can, however, appreciate that ChrisO is doing a lot of reverts and quite possibly going a too far with it. But if there's no 3RR vio, WP:AN3RR isn't the right place for it. If you're truly convinced he's going too far, you could leave a note somewhere central, such as WP:ANI, though realize you'll need some convincing reasons to get anyone to take action. I hope you understand. Heimstern Läufer 16:12, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

i unserstand that wikipedia has no real intention on creating a productive environment for it's editors, thank you for your note this is probably the 5th article i'm dealing vandals on without proper intervention from administrators. (Battle of jenin, Carlos latuf, Adam keller, Matzpen) best of my knowledge, it was the 3RR notice page that's supposed to deal with repeated reverters/article hijackers. *shrug* Jaakobou 16:35, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I really don't know what you want me to do here. I've demonstrated that there is no 3RR violation and been backed up on this by another admin. I've mentioned things you might do instead of making a 3RR report. I don't think there's anything more I can do now. Heimstern Läufer 16:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Blocked (for 40 minutes)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing because of your disruptive edits. You are invited to contribute in a constructive manner as soon as the block expires. I left a note on the talk page saying that any user who removes the tag before the discussion on the talk page is complete would be blocked for edit warring. you ignored that Betacommand 16:27, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot, i consider this block a direct breach of protocol and if the block is not removed i will be forced to report this. you are actually aiding and abetting a repeated revert offender. Jaakobou 16:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
I have already reported Betacommand to the admin noticeboard, after warning him that the threat was ill-advised and inappropriate. --Leifern 16:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

As indicated, this matter is under active discussion on the noticeboard. FYI to Jaakobou and to avoid any confusion, the blocking admin's name is Betacommand; he operates a bot called "Betacommandbot" that is mentioned in his signature, but that the bot has nothing to do with this block. Newyorkbrad 17:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Block removed after 40 minutes, page hijacking issue still unresolved. Jaakobou 17:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Informal mediation

I have opened the information mediation case for the article Adam Keller. Please indicate on the case page if you will accept my assistance as an informal mediator. Thank you! Vassyana 13:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The other party has rejected mediation. You may wish to try other avenues in dispute resolution, such as seeking a third opinion. Be well. Vassyana 14:05, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Image tagging for Image:Yehoshua Hankin (1864-1945).jpg

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fixed, thank you for the notice. Jaakobou 11:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Sikkuy

Where can I help you/what do you need advice on? KazakhPol 22:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Do you know Hebrew? if you do, feel free to catch this thread Sikkuy]. Jaakobou 22:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Libel

This is your only warning. The next time you add defamatory content, as you did to Talk:Shimon Tzabar, you will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. RolandR 23:11, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Linking to a website that may or may not contain libelous information (I have no idea as I didn't bother checking the link) does not warrant the sort of "last warning" that was just added to this page. Yes, you guys disagree on many issues and the posting of the link on the talk page was probably out of line but it does not warrant this; RolandR, I suggest you remove it for everybody's sake as there's no need for this situation to escalate further than it already has and the link is already gone. Yonatan 23:33, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
No way. 160 sockpuppets have already been indefinitely blocked for posting this abuse and linking to this libel, as Jaakobou must know from his own stalking of me. He clearly DID follow the link (even though it was deleted), and consciously decided to post it. I hope that he too is blocked indefinitely for this flagrant abuse of Misplaced Pages. RolandR 23:39, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Be that as it may, jumping from warning level 0 -> 4 seems to be a bit quick even though the link is inappropriate. Yonatan 00:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jaakobou RolandR 10:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I think this 4th level complaint is down right out of line considering the link was not proveded in a libeleous manner at all, but to present to you that you should stop accusing me of POV and climing you are a neutral editor while you blatently tag-revert revert.. at best, you could have placed a 2nd level warning although you should have assumed good faith and issued a 1st level warning if you're acutually offended by a style link. I tend to think you're glad that you "found a chance" to give me a warning and went a little overboard with the find.. i've given my reply on the AV/I page, and honestly, i think it reflects badly on you more than it does on me. Jaakobou 12:44, 14 April 2007 (UTC)