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This is a subpage of Talk:Kyiv for discussing the name of the article Kyiv. Please take all discussion of the name here, reserving the regular talkpage for other matters. I hope that this division will benefit both the regular talkpage and the name discussion itself. Happy editing. Bishonen | talk. Please note that due to technical reasons any actual move requests need to be made on Talk:Kyiv, but should be moved here after they are listed on WP:RMC. Also, please note that in addition to the formal requested moves listed below, there have also been a considerable number of other proposals, requests for comment, etc. suggesting a change of name from Kiev to Kyiv or vice versa. Proposals can be found in the archives.

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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination. Move logs: Kyiv Kiev Discussions: RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 9 July 2019, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 26 October 2019, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Moved, 16 September 2020, discussion MRV, Endorsed, 28 September 2020, discussion Older discussions: RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 30 July 2007, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 5 September 2007, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 11 September 2007, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 10 February 2008, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 23 September 2008, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Not moved, 29 October 2009, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, No consensus, 18 November 2012, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 7 November 2013, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 3 October 2017, discussion RM, Kiev → Kyiv, Snow close, not moved, 12 October 2018, discussion

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Remove all mention of Russian

All of mentions of russian versions for Ukrainian cities’ names and facts are propaganda and doesn’t carry any relevance or importance. The only effect it has - is the reminder for Ukrainians how much pain and loss we have to experience daily because of the terror from aggressor/terrorist-russia. Please be mindful and understanding for other’s request in this matters, for you it might be nothing - for somebody it’s a reminder of killed children and family members, lost homes and peace. 79.17.161.5 (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

We go by sources here. If sources use Russian names, so do we. If sources change (as they did with Kiev to Kyiv) we also change. If history used Russian names we are not going to whitewash history in an article as if it never happened. You'll have to live with that. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:26, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Would the Ukrainian government/Verkhovna Rada and the Office of the President of Ukraine's chosen names be counted as sources?

This doesn't concern Kyiv specifically but rather the hundreds of Russian names which are being swapped out in official communication by the Ukrainian government. AuthorOfOne (talk) 15:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)