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The Misplaced Pages tutorial is a good place to start learning about Misplaced Pages. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my talk page. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and discussion pages using four tildes, like this: ~~~~ (the software will replace them with your signature and the date). Again, welcome! ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 12:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 2024

Hello, I'm Bowler the Carmine. Misplaced Pages is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Abu Bakr seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Bowler the Carmine | talk 17:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Umayyad-387 (talk) 17:18, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Dear Bowler the Carmine,

Thank you for your message. i understand your concern about maintaining a neutral point of view on Misplaced Pages. However, i would like to respectfully disagree with your decision to remove my edit

including Shia point of view on Abu Bakr's page can be perceived as disrespectful to the 1.7 billion Sunni Muslims who follow him as the first caliph of Islam. Mentioning opposing views on someone's page can be seen as inflammatory and hurtful to their followers.

in this case, i believe it's essential to prioritize respect and sensitivity towards the vast majority of Muslims who hold Abu Bakr in high esteem. I kindly request that you remove the Shia point of view from this page to avoid causing offense to 1.7 billion Sunni Muslims.

Thank you for your understanding.

Please do not remove information from articles, as you did to Abu Bakr. Misplaced Pages is not censored, and content is not removed on the sole grounds of perceived offensiveness. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material. If the content in question involves images, you also have the option to configure Misplaced Pages to hide the images that you may find offensive. Thank you. Bowler the Carmine | talk 18:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

"I removed the claims due to lack of reliable sources. Please provide credible references to support such information, so we can ensure the accuracy and reliability of the content on this page." no need to include them on the page Umayyad-387 (talk) 08:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Please try to understand how Misplaced Pages works

Please try to understand how Misplaced Pages works:

• Maintaining a neutral point of view on Misplaced Pages means neutrally summarizing what reliable secondary sources mention about a given subject, and neutrally keeping out what such sources do not mention. It has nothing to do with being respectful or with avoiding offense. If reliable sources are found to be offensive, so will Misplaced Pages. We are neutral with respect to reliable sources, not with respect to anything or anyone else.
• Misplaced Pages is not based on original research into primary sources. Such original research is strictly prohibited. Medieval religious sources like hadith are primary sources, which are not acceptable. What you write here must be based on secular, academic, secondary and tertiary sources. This means encyclopedias, monographs, and journal articles written by professional historians. If you are not familiar with such sources, please either familiarize yourself with them, or stop editing on historical subjects.
• What you are doing on Abu Bakr is called wp:edit warring, which is strictly prohibited. When you disagree with other editors, you should discuss the issue on the article's talk page. Please be aware that edit warring will lead to your account being blocked from editing Misplaced Pages.

Thank you for taking this into consideration, and a happy new year, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 11:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

As a new contributor to Misplaced Pages, i apologize in advance for any mistakes i may have made while editing. i have added a secondary source to provide further evidence for the claim.

Appreciate your help Umayyad-387 (talk) 15:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I see you are using a book by Mulla Ali Qari, a sixteenth-century Islamic scholar. While technically this is a secondary source, it is not the independent type of secondary source that Misplaced Pages considers reliable for this purpose, which would rather be modern (20th- or 21st-century) historical scholarship (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP: Material such as an article, book, monograph, or research paper that has been vetted by the scholarly community).

On another note, why are you still adding new information purely based on primary sources?

I see you've opened Talk:Abu Bakr#Abu Bakr's love and respect for Ahle Bayt. Great! I will restore the status quo revision of that page, as well as of Umar, so you can discuss with other editors in order to get wp:consensus for your edits. Further reverting on your part will be regarded as edit warring and will lead to a block.

Thank you for your attention, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 16:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

January 2025

Your recent editing history at Umar shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Bowler the Carmine | talk 17:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Umar, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Books of hadiths do not count as reliable sources, as they are not independent. If you can find an independent and scholarly discussion of the particular hadith from a secondary source, you are welcome to cite that instead. Thank you. Bowler the Carmine | talk 22:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)