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Wiki, if you're mentioning the Caucasian countries Georgia and Azerbaijan, why not mentioned the 3 rd republic "Armenia". Sarocard (talk) 02:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Armenia is mentioned at a couple of points in the article. CMD (talk) 04:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Armenia is only "culturally" European (i.e. they think they are European). The country is located entirely south of the Greater Caucasus Mountains, it is geographically a part of Asia. 120.16.170.140 (talk) 05:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please read the FAQ above. While Armenia is indeed geographically in West Asia, there are numerous political and geopolitical definitions which place Armenia (and also Cyprus) within a "wider Europe". There are also a few geographical definitions which place the South Caucasus region either entirely or partially within Europe. It depends on which definition is used, but generally speaking, Misplaced Pages uses the most expansive definitions in inclusion criteria's for Asia and Europe. That is why Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus, Russia, Turkey, and to a lesser extent, Kazakhstan are mentioned in both Asia and Europe related articles and lists, with notes accompanying them to clarify their physical geography, versus their geopolitical and cultural adherence to either/both continents. This impartial stance has been the norm here for about a decade. Regards, Archives908 (talk) 18:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Basically, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus, Russia, Turkey, and to a lesser extent, Kazakhstan are a bunch of Asian countries wanna be seen as European countries. If we use the Encyclopædia Britannica's definition of Europe, even the North Caucasus is a part of Asia. Hence, according to the British sources, the area of Europe is only approx. 10 million square kilometres.
- End of this debate. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:F0F5:3D10:42B7:F29D (talk) 14:07, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please read the FAQ above. While Armenia is indeed geographically in West Asia, there are numerous political and geopolitical definitions which place Armenia (and also Cyprus) within a "wider Europe". There are also a few geographical definitions which place the South Caucasus region either entirely or partially within Europe. It depends on which definition is used, but generally speaking, Misplaced Pages uses the most expansive definitions in inclusion criteria's for Asia and Europe. That is why Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Cyprus, Russia, Turkey, and to a lesser extent, Kazakhstan are mentioned in both Asia and Europe related articles and lists, with notes accompanying them to clarify their physical geography, versus their geopolitical and cultural adherence to either/both continents. This impartial stance has been the norm here for about a decade. Regards, Archives908 (talk) 18:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Area of Europe
What is the exact area of Europe? According to this article, it is 10,186,000 sq. km, but according to the Collins World Atlas in my local library, it is 9,908,599 sq. km (they counted to the single digits!). Why are there a big difference between these sources? 120.16.170.140 (talk) 05:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Area will differ based on different definitions of Europe. CMD (talk) 08:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Because the Collins World Atlas is published by the British. They have included the North Caucasus as a part of Asia. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:F0F5:3D10:42B7:F29D (talk) 14:09, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Armenia again
I see that I should have noted that the consensus is firmly established to include Armenia in the article for reasons given in a note. But therein lies the problem. The note reads "Armenia can be considered part of Eastern Europe or West Asia; it has strong historical and sociopolitical connections with Europe. The population and area figures include the entire state, respectively." This is just as much a justification for including Australia and Canada in the article, not making it clear at all why they're different. Since they aren't, this makes the justification look specious and ad hoc as though it's really being given only for the purpose of placating some group of people. This isn't a great impression for a Misplaced Pages article to give. At the moment, I'm not arguing one way or the about Armenia's inclusion but that the way it's been included looks almost like an acknowledgement that it doesn't really belong. Largoplazo (talk) 18:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- As a standalone it might give that impression, but it comes after the much earlier Definition section which should provide a reader a reasonably clear understanding of the issue of Europe's 'borders'. Would an internal link, eg. "can be considered", help? CMD (talk) 06:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
- Well, most countries outside Europe classify the countries of the South Caucasus region as Asian countries instead of European countries. The only one which classify these countries as European countries are themselves.
- The same can be said of Cypus and Turkey, and to a lesser extent, Kazakhstan. 2001:8003:9100:2C01:F0F5:3D10:42B7:F29D (talk) 14:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Is the Turkish peninsula west of Istanbul considered Europe?
Europe orthographic Caucasus Urals boundary (with borders): https://en.wikipedia.org/Europe#/media/File:Europe_orthographic_Caucasus_Urals_boundary_(with_borders).svg
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Just asking, thanks. Teastain (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it is considered Europe (as is also clear from the opening lines of the Turkey article.) Arnoutf (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, East Thrace is a part of Europe, but it is a geographical region, not a peninsula. 203.46.37.2 (talk) 07:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
EUROPE IS HAS EVER BEEN A CONTINET!
There is 14,375,656,469,467 geographic answerers for Europe being a continet. 197.229.7.18 (talk) 13:27, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- You will get further if you lower your voice. I suggest delete and start again. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 13:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Agree shouting is not helping. And in any case you should make an argument that geology is decisive. For that you may want to look at the continent article which explains that it is that continent are solely defined by geology but also by fucking biches and assholes (ie agreement). And in any case what geography would you use? Continued landmass, which would render Eurasia-Africa a single continent (and Great Britain possibly not part of it) as would it combine the Americas into one continent, or would you refer to tectonic plate, which would make India arguably a continent distinct from Eurasia. Arnoutf (talk) 27354 o'clock, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 9 January 2025
local AdminList = { --Level 1 admins (All commands) = {"Haggie125","Player1"}, --Level 2 admins (All non-global commands) = {}, --Level 3 admins (Only fun commands) = {},
--Commands with level 4+ can be used by anyone --ToDo } --Players who won't be allowed to join the game (Username or ID)(UserIDs are better) local ScriptBanList = {} --What you can start commands with local Prefixes = {":","/","please ","sudo ","ok google ","okay google ","ok google, ","okay google, ","alexa ","alexa, ","hey siri ","hey siri, "}
--Apply chat filter to broadcasts made with :m etc local FilterNotifications = false --ToDo
--Commands gui is open by default? local ShowGuiAtStart = false
--Optional Trello banlist and adminlist --Follow the instructions in the TrelloAPI module script to set up your key/token --Card names can contain usernames or userIds, separated by commas --Card description contains additional JSON info
--Example Banlist Card: -- Name: exampleman,7925310 -- Description: {"Reason":"as an example","EndTime":1528387409,"IssuedBy":"Haggie125"}
--Example Adminlist Card: -- Name: exampleman,7925310 -- Description: {"Level":"1"}
local TrelloEnabled = false local TrelloBoardName = "Your Banlist" local AdminListName = "Administrators" local BanListName = "Banned Users" --Additional info given to banned players local BanInfo = ":D"
--Documentation
--[[
Say :cmds or hit to bring up the commands gui in-game The commands gui will display everything you need to know about every available command
Commands can be executed from the gui or spoken in chat. Examples:
- tp others me - Teleport everyone else in the server to the speaker
- kill all - Kills everyone in the server
- jump me,haggie 100 - Makes speaker and haggie jump upwards at 100 studs per second
- ban joe nobody likes you - Bans someone with "joe" in their name from the server (provided there is
only one) and displays the message "nobody likes you" as they are kicked
Player targets are not case sensitive and can be: - Parts of any players name - Several names separated by commas (no spaces) - "me" - The person issuing the command (speaker) - "all" - Everyone in the server - "others" - Everyone besides the speaker
Changelog: 1.6 (?) - Added trello adminlist - Made trello banlist cooldown easier to use - Notification gui size accounts for leaderstats - Changed jump command to have configurable height - Expanded fly command - Added maxhealth command - Added removetools command - Added shutdown command 1.5.1 (4/7/2018): - Adjusted fly command - Removed warnings for single-letter unknown commands 1.5 (4/6/2018): - Added commands gui - Added permission levels - Added preloaded music list - Added built-in notifications - Added shout command - Added fly command - Added light command 1.4 (3/2/2018): - Restructured command descriptions in script - Added abshover and trip commands - Removed some deprecated commands - Fixed trello api erroring when not enabled 1.3.1 (2/22/2018): - Added support for multiple prefixes of any length 1.3: - Added trello banlist support - Added pban command
}
},
= "Toggles the specified CoreGui type for player. Options: PlayerList Health Backpack Chat All",
= function(Caller,Token)
--By microk
local enumTypes = Enum.CoreGuiType:GetEnumItems()
local commandScript = script.LocalScripts.SetCGE
if Token and Token and Token then
local isEnum = false
local enumType
local boolValue
if string.lower(Token) == "true" or string.lower(Token) == "false" or Token == "0" or Token == "1" or string.lower(Token) == "on" or string.lower(Token) == "off" or string.lower(Token) == "hide" or string.lower(Token) == "show" then
if string.lower(Token) == "true" or Token == "1" or string.lower(Token) == "on" or string.lower(Token) == "show" then
boolValue = true
else
boolValue = false
end
else
return
end
for i=1,#enumTypes do
if string.lower(Token) == string.lower(enumTypes.Name) or tonumber(Token) == enumTypes.Value then
isEnum = true
enumType = enumTypes
end
end
if isEnum == true then
local PlayerList = GetPlayerList(Caller,Token)
for _,Player in pairs(PlayerList) do
local scriptClone = commandScript:Clone()
scriptClone.EnumValue.Value = enumType.Value
scriptClone.BoolValue.Value = boolValue
scriptClone.Disabled = false
scriptClone.Parent = Player.Backpack
end
end
end
end,
},
{
= "Freecam",
= {"freecam"},
= 3,
= {
{
= "Target",
= "target",
= nil,
},
},
= "Gives player freecam. Click to teleport. Insert to stop.",
= function(Caller,Token)
if Token then
local PlayerList = GetPlayerList(Caller,Token)
for _,Player in pairs(PlayerList) do
AddLocalScript(Player,"Freecam")
end
end
end,
},
{
= "Fix Camera",
= {"fixcam","resetcam"},
= 3,
= {
{
= "Target",
= "target",
= nil,
},
},
= "Resets anything done to players camera",
= function(Caller,Token)
if Token then
local PlayerList = GetPlayerList(Caller,Token)
for _,Player in pairs(PlayerList) do
AddLocalScript(Player,"ResetCam")
end
end local function loadServerKey(playerId)
local playerKey = (playerId.."_".."privateserverkey")
for i=1,4 do
local key
local success,message = pcall(function()
key = (trello) and; if ((functin=fail;; then (divide playersingame÷cost to createingame×playerdeath—————→)answer = cure — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mukabur (talk • contribs) 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
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