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It's nothing urgent. I.M.B. (talk) 12:52, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks. Sean.hoyland (talk) 13:27, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

re: irtapil admission

Taking this off the Icewhiz SPI. That one seems to have its own fresh chaos right now.

Regarding Irtapil's retaliatory and frivolous filings, if it had just been the BilledMammal filing, maybe you could argue that it wasn't retaliatory, though to my eyes it's pretty much a meritless filing, though apparently it was already checked and deemed possi-unlikely? Since it was filed by a 6-time sockpuppet I don't see why it's still open, that part, not to mention BM hasn't edited since November so there isn't any emergent disruption emanating thenceforth. The comment on Dclemens1971 makes it obviously sour grapes, as well as the mens rea aspect. It's not a coincidence that the individuals being chosen were previous filers of Irtapil SPIs. Again, maybe just the BM, but not the Dclemens1971 accusation. And, I don't see that the statement about the sock-loop or reasons or desire to be honest is so insightful. A self-admission with one cornered back against the wall is better than no self-admission but still different from one when you haven't been caught. Her claim that she was forced to edit doesn't hold up. The way out of the loop is to avoid the behavior and then come back after a lengthy break and beg the community for another chance. Nobody is forcing you to edit, just don't. Being honest means respecting the community's ban and the way that the community prescribes redemption. Her statement that she was stressed out and she wanted to be honest but she would just be blocked again so she socked doesn't hold up to scrutiny as you well know. That isn't how any of this works. Plenty of other repeat socks also make good edits sometimes.

Regarding your idea of sockpuppeteers helping find socks, what is that like the Catch Me If You Can plot where Tom Hanks gets Leonardo DiCaprio to work for the FBI to catch counterfeiters and check forgers? Which I guess the real Frank Abagnale did if you believe him. Anyway, we seem to do just fine catching socks without the help of Yaniv/AHJ - as I said, his filings weren't at all helpful though they turned out to be correct, but there wasn't anything usable from them, and I do not have a way of getting in touch with them other than presumably contacting one of their sock accounts the next time one comes up. Also I'm not convinced if a serial sockpuppeteer actually avoided the behavior for 6 months or a year and appealed to the community that they would be unbanned, at least not one as prolific as AHJ.

Personally I still think improving the technical solutions is going to be a way forward. While there might be a slight psychological advantage to actually having socked to finding socks, I think this is a problem that a computer could solve much more easily than a human. I'm not sure why that doesn't get more traction because there's clearly a number of repeat offenders on all sides and in many other disputes too. Andre🚐 04:56, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

I will read this carefully and try to reply at some point. I have a young dog who likes to limit my ability to focus on anything to less than a few minutes at a time, so it might take a while... Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2025 (UTC)