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Delone Catholic High School

As Schoolcruft. School does not meet the notability criteria. A unique fund-raising activity for a notable event does not qualify for notability by association, and community consensus at AfD has determined that state level inter-school competitions are not considered notable (See the Girls Sport Victoria, PSA, etc AfD's). The school's mission statement is just pure cruft. After you remove the fund raising, the marketing cruft, and the sports from the article, you have nothing left but an almost empty article which isn't even stub worthy and falls foul of WP:NOT#INFO and WP:NOT#DIR. Thewinchester 00:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletions. —Thewinchester 00:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• Keep Yet another AfD that clearly fails WP:CRUFTCRUFT. Article provides ample sources to demonstrate notability with dozens more available. In the dozen or so school AfDs created over the past few days, success in state-level sports competitions have been a strong deciding factor in rejecting the persistent efforts to delete these articles. Nominator mentions other AfDs to demonstrate that there is some sort of precedent, but had provided no sources to support his baseless claim. The argument that once you ignore everything there's nothing left is a circular logic not even worth addressing. Alansohn 02:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment You're making a keep nomination on the basis that the reasons for deletion disagree with an essay you created? And you're the one saying others are using circular logic! The article in question does not meet notability, as clearly outlined and dissected in the nominator's opening explanation. Additionally, you once again fail to assume good faith and accuse another user of having undertaking a concerted campaign of deleting school articles, and you do so with no basis or justification. As for the other AfD's in question, anyone who's anyone who keeps an eye on the Schools deletion sorting list will know these so there's simply no point linking to them. Next time Alan, challenge the reasons provided for deletion, instead of launching into another tirade against a user on the sole basis that the nomination simply disagrees with your narrow way of thinking. Thewinchester 03:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Using WP:SCHOOLCRUFT as the primary excuse to delete an article, as is the case here, is a cardinal example of WP:CRUFTCRUFT. I will restate my reasons for retention: "Article provides ample sources to demonstrate notability with dozens more available. In the dozen or so school AfDs created over the past few days, success in state-level sports competitions have been a strong deciding factor in rejecting the persistent efforts to delete these articles." The article provides multiple, independent reliable and verifiable sources for the school's achievements to demonstrate notability, in full compliance with WP:N. At no time have I accused you of a concerted anti-school campaign, and your insistence that I am making this accusation is once again a blatant failure to assume good faith and part of a continued pattern of WP:CIVIL violations. My comment that started "In the dozen or so school AfDs created over the past few days" was directed at the fact that there have been more than a dozen AfDs in the past few days (see Misplaced Pages:Watch/schoolwatch/Schools for deletion archive for details), among which are AfDs were participants weighed success in sports competition as a critical factor in establishing notability (see Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Wesleyan Christian Academy for an excellent example), contrary to your entirely unsupported assertion. If you believe that the specific AfDs you mentioned establish any sort of precedent, you will need to cite them (as I have), as I have no idea what you're referring to. Alansohn 05:07, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Comment At this point, I would feel it appropriate to point out for others who may encounter this AfD that Alansohn is the subject of a active Request for Comment case for issues of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA, and WP:POINT, and his continued comments here are prime example why five different users have seen fit to certify the dispute against him. His comments are another of ad hominem attacks which IMHO have become his trademark of late, and once again fail to address the well documented reasons for this AfD. The article is an example of Schoolcruft which infests wikipedia, and if the user in question had taken the time to read beyond the first full stop, they would have seen that there is a fully and clearly justified opinion in respect to policy issues associated with the article and the reasons for it being brought to AfD (Being that it does in no way meet WP:N and if all non-notable information was removed from the article it would become encyclopaedic and removed anyway). As is often the case, editors will often use various essays as a shorthand reason for an XfD nomination, which nowhere in WP policy, procedures, or guidelines is considered unacceptable or frowned upon. This has the benefit of saving reasonable and considered users valuable time when looking at the issues brought to hand, particularly if they know the essay. In the case of this AfD, an essay has been accompanied with a reasonable, detailed and considered explanation for those who wish to dig further into the deletion argument. Your use of this essay for the purpose of labelling an editor and their actions is an egregious breach of WP:AGF, a point made by WP Administrator Orderinchaos when you were issued a AGF3 Warning for these comments. You have also stated in your comments on Orderinchaos' talk page that he is my buddy. OIC and myself do go back quite a way, but both of us as demonstrated from our histories here act independently of friendships or relationships, and act simply on the issues at hand in the spirit and manner which WP intends, and not in a collusive manner which you have ceaselessly alleged without basis or merit, again an egregious breach of WP:AGF and an example of why users have seen fit to open an RFC regarding your actions. You have continued to extrapolate minor and meaningless points for your own benefit, and I will again repeat my previous advice - comment on the AfD and not your issues or viewpoints with users, essays, consensus, or other matters. Instead of the countless hours you spend commenting ad nausem regarding these issues, you'd be much better off devoting that time back to improving articles. Thewinchester 06:39, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Delete In order for this school to pass WP:N, it needs independent sources which have been written about the subject. This does not appear to be the case - any references cited thus far, and any I can find, do not address this and lead the article towards WP:NOT#IINFO territory. My personal opinion is that many schools are notable, some highly so - I've written and assisted with the writing of articles about several. However, this one isn't one of them. Orderinchaos 04:17, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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