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Hi Gloria,

I'm Christiane

I've just read (scuse my English I am Francophone) an article about Flylady.

I think that you wrote it, is it true?

Because I would like to contribute with an article about Marla in french. Misplaced Pages of course.

But for now I just plan to be inspired by your's is it possible?

Thanking you in advance.

Sincerely Yours,

Christiane (Myrtilles in the French Misplaced Pages) 19:49

Hello Christiane! I wrote a part of the FlyLady article, but I didn't write the whole thing. I have been planning to add some things to it, so maybe I'll take that opportunity now. I think it's perfectly OK to just translate Misplaced Pages articles from one language to another, without having to start from scratch. Good luck, and by the way, I think your English is very good :) -Gloriamarie 20:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

fr:Projet:Traduction is the place where you can request translation of English Misplaced Pages articles to French. See fr:Projet:Traduction/*/Lang/en. utcursch | talk 05:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

walther

You may want to have a look in on Talk:Walther P22 again. Griot has canvassed only those users who want to keep the VT mention in the article, so I am alerting those who were not yet contacted. There has been discussion on WP:ANI about the outcome of the previous polls. Your continued involvement in the discussion(s) would be welcomed. ··coelacan 23:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It was interesting catching up on the debate. --Gloriamarie 01:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you...

... for your recent contributions on some articles I have worked on. You may notice on the associated talk page of the article Reed Slatkin, and some other related articles I have compiled some reputable secondary sourced citations that I have not yet added but which could and will all be used to expand the article. Smee 04:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Salvatore Gencarelli

Hey there,

Thanks for the comment on the Genovese crime family user talk page. I noticed that your user page says you have a bazillion interests but knowing such a person as Sal Gencarelli is quite unusual for those without a keen keen interest in the mob. I'm intrigued! Personal friends? Alexbonaro 10:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Ooh. Thanks Alexbonaro 12:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

That would be most excellent of you! Anything is great but information specifically on his position in the family and who he associated with mainly would be most interesting. Thank you very much Gloriamarie. :) Alexbonaro 04:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

My email is brooklyn_mafia@hotmail.com, and I would be happy to talk on there. Thank you Gloriamarie. Alexbonaro 03:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Ron Paul

Please explain why you chose to remove the Sean Hannity section altogher. I think this was a defining moment in the debate and I would like to form a compromise on the text.

Could you please make an edit of what I have started and contribute what you perceive to be appropriate text?

Anappealtoheaven 00:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

I did discuss it on the talk page, but people keep adding entirely unverifiable sources. A blog that links to an article to Texas (which does not even mention Ron Paul) is a joke of a source. This rumor has been discussed for days on the talk page, and no one has been able to come up with a decent source. A quote from Jimmy Wales: "I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced." Rm999

However, personal biographies are held to a different standard than regular articles. Negative information is treated in a different way. In this case, the refutation of an allegation of negative information-- very negative information if it is true-- should be given special consideration. You have not had it on the talk page for days, because I have been watching the article every day and I just noticed it before going to bed Friday night. On Saturday, when I saw that you had removed the information entirely, citing the source, I wrote on the talk page and tried to look on ProQuest. Since you just added that yesterday (or during the night EDT Saturday morning), and it is 6:08 EDT right now, the information could not have been up for "days." Put a citation tag and give it a few days to see if a good citation can be found.--Gloriamarie 22:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

As I said in the talk page, I am fine with someone adding it back with the citation tag. I would just prefer it if someone can find the source ASAP. Rm999

I'll do that, and I'll work on finding the source. I'd like to get to the bottom of it as well.--Gloriamarie 22:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

About the tag

Yes, my edit with "unscientific" made it more neutral, but unfortunately I can't count how many times I and others had to re-add that wording, as recently as last night, so - as the person who added the tag - I would have preferred that it remain until it was apparent that the wording was likely to last more than a few hours. Tvoz |talk 16:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it the same person taking it out or many people?--Gloriamarie 16:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, I haven't checked who has been taking it out, but I know that "unscientific" is in for a while, then it's out, and there has been little stability regarding this. I'm not referring to your changing the 2nd one to "similar" - that was a good edit - but other edits of the debate sections and the Pres campaign in general have been misleading and incorrect. A very similar issue has come uphere - there are people editing many articles in which Ron Paul is discussed with POV, non-neutral wording. We just have more of it - although I see that you are trying to bring neutrality to the piece. So am I. Tvoz |talk 16:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we can watch who is taking it out and ban them? I think it's OK the way it is now.--Gloriamarie 16:48, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hope springs eternal. I'll watch to see if there's any pattern of removal which would justify a block, or if it's random helpful editors. In any case, I didn't re-add the tag, just wanted you to know what I thought about this. I'm more than willing to wait and see. Tvoz |talk 16:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, sounds good.--Gloriamarie 17:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

Since you have an article with more info - probably a section on family (his, I mean) would work to include what we have plus any added material about his wife, parents, if available - like other candidates have - the wife and kids stuff doesn';t belong in medical career, obviously. Tvoz |talk 17:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Good idea.. I'm going through adding information in order as it appears in the article, but I'll do that when I'm done.--Gloriamarie 17:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

sounds goodTvoz |talk 17:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Be careful that it not sound a little like a puff piece - do they not have any critical commentary? Tvoz |talk 18:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'll take another look. I'm not done yet. :)--Gloriamarie 18:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Ha... that's why I said it here not there! Tvoz |talk 18:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Me again - I fixed several ref tags that weren't right - not sure what happened there. You know how to use "ref name"? Tvoz |talk 19:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I guess I was working too fast! I'll pay more attention.--Gloriamarie 19:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

NO, no - sorry if that sounded critical - I was just going to tell you what refname is if you didn't know - no problem, you;re in the middle! I'm not looking over your shoulder (just feels that way, huh?) - I just was curious to see what you came up with about his family and the tag had munged it. Tvoz |talk 19:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I tried to look up more things on his family, but there's surprisingly little other than about his wife. There is some info on various Myspaces of his kids and grandkids (apparently he has another great-grandchild on the way) but those aren't really great sources, so I don't think I have much to add on that front for now. I found some info on one daughter who is a doctor, but it would be odd to only have information on one child so I won't add any of that. Should the family part be at the end or the beginning?--Gloriamarie 19:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh - I think it could be in either beginngin or end - I've seen it handled both ways. I'll take a look. I answered your Edwards question on his talk page, by the way, in a way-too-long comment... and I was really not directing anything negative in it at you - it's my take in general about these political candidate's articles, many of which I edit and watch. Tvoz |talk 18:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Joe Turnham Page

I tried to clean up the Joe Turnham page by adding more news sources and a headshot. When you have a moment please look and see if you're satisifed that this page passes the notability test.

List of songs whose title includes personal names AFD

Just saw your comment here. Obviously I agree with you! I don't understand what their problem is - I never edited this list before, but have referred to it, and came upon the deletion nom so I've jumped into the fray. I really don't get it. Seems to me another example of the people around here who can't really contribute, so spend their time crapping on other people's contribution. Really gets me mad. Tvoz |talk 19:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, usually I am a bit of a deletionist when it comes to every Joe Six-pack who wants to have a Misplaced Pages article, but for things like that, it seems clear that it has a purpose... and I find it very interesting.---Gloriamarie 21:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Sure, lots of articles can't be justified, and I occasionally support deletes, but this kind of list is under attack in various forms, and I think it is not justified. I hate to see this end up gone - there's no good reason for it. We're not a paper encyclopedia and this is a good list. I hope other people notice this and speak up. Tvoz |talk 21:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Lost finale (with spoiler)

In a good way absolutely. I thought it was a brilliant switch, and the show was poignant, well-acted on several people's part, very well-written - to me, it redeemed what was a disappointing first half of season, and last year was spotty, someimtes weak,. Last half of this season had some memorable shows - a few were excellent - but the finale and its change are genius, if they can really carry it off and not have this one show as a taste of what could have been. I really loved it. Sorry you had it spoiled - my policy is to never read anything if I'm anticipating a movie or tv ep - even pictures give things away. The finale opening credits did too - but I didn't care much because I had long ago guessed that Walt or Michael would show up - I expected that to be handled very differently though. My best example of a movie being spoiled for me - like totally destroyed - was about Sixth Sense. But since I don't know if you've seen it (you should!) - I won't post it here now. I could have killed someone. Tvoz |talk 21:49, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Giuliani

Great work on Rudy Giuliani! Dogru144 03:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Informatist

Great work on the Infomatist page. What name do you play the game under?

Hi. Thanks! I don't actually play the game, but I have a friend who does and I figured I'd write the article.  :) Once I found out more about it, I really wanted to start playing it, though, I'll have to soon.---Gloriamarie 08:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Ron Paul

Hello. Yes, I added the POV-section tag to the Ron Paul article. I'm a complete novice at using the tag, but I believe it links directly to the appropriate section - Controversial Racial Remarks - of the Talk page (it does for me). My proposal is to remove the section completely and make note of the controversy in the footnotes. If needed, I can draft text for possible use in a footnote. Best regards. Jogurney 13:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Giuliani Revert

Thanks for cleaning up the aftermath of my revert. I originally meant to do it myself but spent so much time figuring out how to revert in the first place (easy actually, but it took me a few false starts to find that out....) I couldn't get to it. Also very much appreciate your work on the article in general.Veritas23 18:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Question Regarding userpage boxes

I have a dumb question regarding userpage boxes. I clicked on your userpage after seeing your edits on the Ron Paul article. I'm new, so I have a quick question. Where did you find all those boxes such as "This user eats sushi" to put on your userpage? I copied a couple, but I want to find more. Thanks and keep up the good work on the Ron Paul article. I've been following it for awhile now --CommonSense101 06:59, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Political positions of Ron Paul

Good job on adding all the hyperlinks.--Gloriamarie 03:35, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you--JayJasper 17:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Header on Ron Paul article

Hey Gloria,

Yeah, I added the sub-header and then header to the section because that is what it is primarily composed of. A response by Ron Paul and surrogates to the remarks. I think someone would be hard pressed to honestly say that the section is about the remarks (it doesn't contain the remarks, describe the remarks or remark on the remarks). The section is at least 90% response to the mysterious remarks or possibly more. It is a undue weight mess that takes up too much of the article and serves no real purpose. It is neither informative, well written or particularly interesting. I would like to keep the header (or something similar) until the keepers of the article decide to change it. I would try and change it myself but feel that trying to condense it into 5 or 6 sentences would be a monumental effort (considering the history of the section and related editors). I hope I explained myself well enough and if the header gets removed (without a good reason) I am adding a npov tag. That is not a threat in any way. Just telling you how I would proceed. Turtlescrubber 21:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Informatist

A "{{prod}}" template has been added to the article Informatist, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but the article may not satisfy Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Misplaced Pages is not" and Misplaced Pages's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Marasmusine 12:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Gay rights

Gloriamarie, good question. The article on Gay rights was renamed LGBT social movements in 2006. See extensive discussion at Talk:LGBT_social_movements/Archive_1#Propose_rename. It looks like someone is essentially recreating the same article at LGBT rights in the United States. If you examine the words "gay rights" you are not including Transgender people (gay). Plus there's the contingent of people who consider "rights" to be loaded language. The words "social movements" seem to me to describe various points of view on the subject. In politician articles, it's better to use neutral language... example: there's a reason we call it "Abortion" section versus a "Right to life" section. Peace, MPS 19:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

FairTax

Gloriamarie, I noticed you support Ron Paul so I thought I would offer this article Honk if you oppose a Fairer Tax that argues how the FairTax plan is least destructive of the goals of Austrian economics and libertarian ideals. Some reading that is not covered that well in the Misplaced Pages article. The libertarian party is somewhat split on the issue with the common problem of incrementalism. Morphh 21:10, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ron Paul

I'd personally like to wait a bit longer. There are a few edit conflicts still simmering, and I think there is some cleanup work that has yet to be done, like organizing content into more logical paragraphs and trimming the longer sections. Still, you can go ahead with it if you want. Some GA input could put some of those rogue editors in their place.--Daveswagon 23:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Robert Mugabe

It is good to see you answering the fact templates and helping verify the article. The work continues, but it is all becoming quite interesting. Good stuff :) SGGH 00:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

POV at Barack Obama FAR

] seems to say that there is concensus (even on Rezko) someone may conclude. This is not the case. I am writing to you because you are a recent talk contributor. There is a debate on ig the article should remain a Featured Article or if it no longer qualifies (if edit warring stops then it may qualify, being a FA or not doesn't say Obama is good or bad). Feddhicks 19:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I'm not getting involved

I don't find political candidacies all that interesting, first of all, and I am worried some things about me might cause conflict, especially on pages for right wing candidates. Atropos 02:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of negative material from Rudy Giuliani article

In the thread at Talk:Rudy Giuliani#Proposal to make the Controversies Section its own page, you were one of those who commented in opposition to the suggestion. By my count (including opinions later expressed elsewhere), this wholesale deletion of information from the main article is supported by three editors and opposed by six.

Nevertheless, the three keep trying to implement their proposed deletion. You can read a lengthy discussion at Talk:Rudy Giuliani#NPOV tag. I've reverted the deletion three times already today, as well as spending a lot of time trying to explain to them why their approach contravenes Misplaced Pages guidelines, but the edit war continues. I'm calling the situation to the attention of the other editors who chimed in earlier, in the hope that the matter can be resolved on the Rudy Giuliani page without resort to dispute resolution. Thanks for any help you can give. JamesMLane t c 05:24, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Beware that there is distinctly partisan activity going on, on the Controversies of Rudy Giuliani page. Keep an eye on it. Regards, Dogru144 05:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Moving articles

Hi there! It's actually incredibly easy to move article pages to a different name. There's a tab between "history" and "watch" that says "move." I would recommend, though, that you attempt a quick discussion on those pages before you initiate the move, just to give people an opportunity to give their opinion. If there's no objection, give it about a week then move them. In the meantime, feel free to look over the policy on naming conventions: WP:Name. I'm not particularly familiar with it myself. Good luck! --Midnightdreary 13:58, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Requesting your input

Could you please weigh in on this: Talk:Ron Paul#Summarize mainlinks?--Daveswagon 20:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

I have also sourced my additions; many times you have removed text supported by those citations. The thing that upsets me most is that you refuse to allow anyone to say Paul is against gay marriage when he has said federal officials imposing a new definition of marriage to be "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty" and "Americans understandably fear that if gay marriage is legalized in one state, all other states will be forced to accept such marriages." Your edits are profoundly hostile to WP:COI and Wikipedians understandably fear having supporters of political candidates whitewash and guard their articles. ←Ben 22:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

He has not said that he is "against gay marriage" and in fact when asked about it has said something to the tune of "anyone can have any relationship with someone else and call it what they want." You can certainly say he's against gay marriage if that is actually the case and reliable sources say so, as is the case with John Edwards and many other candidates. Most people (and especially Republicans) are against gay marriage, so if I was trying to get Ron Paul elected by my edits, I would actually want you to include that tidbit! I don't care whether it's included as long as it's sourced, and the one source you've given has the above quotes, but those are regarding federal and "activist judge" intervention and Paul has said that he believes states should have the right to choose. He voted against the FMA, which you forget to mention in your edits. That would have banned gay marriage at a federal level. I don't know whether he is personally against gay marriage, but he has voted for it to be decided by the people on a state level. That can be proven. Your assertion cannot. It is original research for an editor to decide that he is against gay marriage when he hasn't said so and neither has a reliable source. Find a reliable source that says it and you can include it. If he's as against it as you say, it shouldn't be that hard to find one good source.--Gloriamarie 22:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

And you don't think being against gay adoption implies his position on gay marriage? ←Ben 23:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)