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Revision as of 06:48, 6 June 2005 by 212.127.137.2 (talk) (Answering questions)(diff) ← Previous revision | Latest revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff)In 1962 Shukumine sensei introduced a further development of GENSEIRYU which he named Taido. Taido is not to be regarded as Karate, but as a new martial art. This new Budo has a lot of acrobatic movements such as sommersaults and flips. Since leaving GENSEIRYU in 1962, Shukumine sensei only held a friendly relation with his former students/masters of GENSEIRYU, but he never took actual part in neither teaching nor examinations.
This is also stated by a Taido-ka, I have contacted. "Officially, Taido was started in 1965 and that is also when he definately left Genseiryu." This is a part of what he wrote te me.
Between the period 1962 and 1965 he completed the five basic principels of Taido, especially the TEN en NEN movements.
"In the World Taido Championships in Okinawa in 2001, Saiko Shihan asked to the highest Genseiryu sensei's (Tosa and others) to convert to Taido." This is also what the Taido-ka wrote to me! So please, for those who are writing untrue stories, back those stories up with true arguments.
- I am sorry to say Mr Tosa was not invited to that championship. So what you are telling is not true. Sensei Shukumine never had any contact with Tosa after Tosa turned his back to him and started his own commercial Karate organization. Please see also Sensei Shukumines personal message at a training seminar in The Netherlands with Sensei Kanai and Sensei Konno. Please see the pictures on the Genseiryu website Taido and Genseiryu people united to celebrate 55 years Genseiryu - 40 years Taido and to commemorate Sensei Shukumine. Besides that there are pictures of Sensei Shukumine teaching several Genseiryu Teachers like Genseiryu Head Instructor Sensei Kanai in Genseiryu Head dojo situated in Ito Japan in 1996.
I am sorry I didn't say Sensei Shukumine had any contact after 1962. I said he didn't had any contact after Sensei Tosa turned his back to Sensei Shukumine. This was after Sensei Shukumine wrote the preface for sensei Tosa's book about Genseiryu Butokukai. And yes I was present at the championship in Okinawa amongst other Genseiryu practitioners from Spain, Denmark, Holland, and Japan. I will try to give also a link with pictures of that event. I need a little time for that I am not an Internet black belt sorry for that.
- You don't have to be a black belt, when your good, by the way. But take your time, I am patient.
- But I was wondering. Mr. Tosa published his book in 1984, but there still a picture of him together with Mr. Shukumine in 1985 (I mean those pictures on the Brazilian site). Then there are still a few questionmarks.
- But by the way, did you know that Mr. Tosa received several letters all over the world, just after Mr. Shukumine died? Those letters were asked for permission if some dojo's could join the organization of Mr. Tosa. Mr. Tosa denied these people to join his organization.
- There was one person who send such a letter to Mr. Tosa from Holland, and you may guess who.
- And I have got also another question. Mr. Seiken Shukumine past away to an hart attack. But when did he started to get ill?
No a black belt is not needed to have a certain skill. But in most occasion it shows an amount of training effort,time. And as you probably know training effort makes you become more skillfull.
I don't know when Mr. Tosa turned his back to sensei Shukumine so maybe my remark that they didn't had any contact shouldn't be done by me because I am not aware of that specific date. So I apologize for that. But I heard this occured in the mid till end '80s.
No I didn't know that Mr. Tosa received several letters from all over the world. I know he claimed to get a letter from Holland. I know he received one which was delivered by someone from Denmark. But I know that the letter was completely different from what is claimed by Mr. Tosa. That is also easy to believe if you are member of a Genseiryu organization in Ito which was directly connected to sensei Shukumine where Sensei Shukumine still gave, in very few occasions, lectures about Genseiryu. (pictures are on the way (few days necessary)). So you can imagine you don't beg for acknowledgement by Mr. Tosa who only wants you to train his way, which is very near to Shotokan with the basic kata of Shotokan. This dojo in Holland is not interested in any connection with Mr. Tosa. For what reason if you want to train Genseiryu the same way as sensei Shukumine taught his students. The head Instructor of this organization is now Sensei Kanai one of the first students of Sensei SHukumine. In the Sensei Shukumine's book Shin Karatedo Kyohan there are several pictures of teachers that are still in this group. I met them during the celebrating anniversary of Taido and Genseiryu beginning of this year. Many nice teachers who are still respecting Sensei Shukumine as should be in the relationship with teacher and student.
I never involved with the sickness of Sensei Shukumine and I don't like to talk about his sickness. I met Mr. SHukumine one time and talked a little bit with him. In Okinawa I only met him from a distance. So I am sorry I can't anwer this question I didn't had so close relationship with Sensei Shukumine.