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Is there a way to list all the subcategory articles in the parent category?

I apologize if this is mentioned somewhere, but I have read this article and done some searches and can't find the answer. I have the need to not only list the subcategories of a parent category, but also do crawl down to each subcategory and generate a list of all the articles there (assuming no loops). Is there such a control/program?

Controversial categories

Under general guidelines, it says “#8 Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category.”

I propose re-wording this sentence to something like “Categories that are not self-evident or are shown through reliable sources to be controversial, should not be included on the article.”

My main concern is the term “uncontroversial” is too vague (defined as “discussion marked especially by the expression of opposing views”). Some users are trying to remove categories like Category:Homophobia and Category:Censorship from certain articles because they think the categories negatively portrays the article and they cite this guideline as their rationale for removing the categories.

As a result of this guideline’s wording, these editors seem to believe if there is any controversy, such as controversy amongst Misplaced Pages editors, then the disputed category should be removed; these users have not proven controversy through any reliable sources. This troubles me because if editors feel they have the right to remove any category because of controversy surrounding Misplaced Pages editors, then a large array of categories may be removed via users citing this guideline.

Please offer your inputs, comments, or suggestions, on if this sentence should be re-worded. Thanks. —Christopher Mann McKay 01:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I see your point, but I'm not sure how this should be reworded. The issue isn't so much about whether the category is good or bad, but how articles are being categorized. Using "Homophobia" as an example, if an article discusses the topic of homophobia it would make sense to put it in a category called homophobia. If people are labeled as being "homophobic" by their critics, I don't think they should be in the category. If people are notable because of their views on homophobia, such as; by coining the phrase, advocating its use, or campaigning for it not to be used, that would seem like a reason for putting them in the category. This is very similar to the discussions about Racism/Racist, Anti-Semitism/Anti-Semite, etc... The distinction is whether the topic is discussed as opposed to making a value judgment about an individuals beliefs. If the category is named and defined so that it encourages POV labeling of people it is a bad category. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 06:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello all. Here is an interesting point about controversial categorization. Just a recap: There has been a long category dispute at the AFA article. One of the participants (I am another btw) of that dispute made an edit to the guidelines on controversial categories .

Firstly, despite Christopher Mann McKay’s statement above, editors on the AFA article were not trying to force removal of a category with reference to editor controversy, only controversy with sourcing and that situation continues .

The prior line only required that it is “self-evident and uncontroversial”:

• Unless it is self-evident and uncontroversial that something belongs in a category, it should not be put into a category. A list might be a better option.

The new line in question makes a very suspect change in emphasis in requirements. Don’t be distracted by the reliable sources RS recommendation. We all like the idea of good sourcing. I’m focusing on the core first part of the sentence.

• Categories that are not self-evident, or are shown through reliable sources to be controversial, should not be included on the article; A list might be a better option.

Is there such a thing as a self-evident category? Are we able to provide one? The category is here so its here? Well that seems to be how they are handling it right now on the AFA article. The self-evident category of homophobia: its self evident that someone calls someone else a homophobe or anti-gay.

I believe that to be the wrong emphasis according to consensus use.

According to Sam above, it’s the belonging that needs to be emphasized and not the category. Something must be self-evidently ‘’belonging’’ to a category. That means article about Prof with a PhD in homophobia gets put in the homophobia category if his article contributes to the reader’s understanding of the concept of homophobia.

In short, in Sam’s statement above, the emphasis is on self evident in terms of the core reasons for categorization (helping the reader etc). However, in Christopher Mann McKay’s edit the belonging is removed completely, and now it seems more about self evident in terms of “if someone makes the accusation, then it can be added”. Removing “belongs” baffles and confuses the meaning of the sentence.

So here is an alternative that I believe solves the problem of the suspect edit:

• Unless it is self-evident that something belongs in a category, or if it is shown through reliable sources to be controversial, it should not be put into a category. A list might be a better option.

I’ll not place it there myself as I am involved in the current category dispute in question. Feel free to add and/or comment/adjust. Regards Hal Cross 04:17, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I know we can add a sorting string, but...

I kind of want a little more in a few cases. Let's say for instance that I have a type a LOT of articles on one kind of thing, covering all of these things in the world. They're categorized by country already, which is clearly most logical, but I have templates that I can use to auto categorize by model, status, and other sorts of things. The result of one of these queries is large enough (say 30) to be non-trivial, but still large enough that it needs further categorization (just visual NOT another darned category). Furthermore, the names of the articles frankly aren't very important, and a reader will value the information of "which are in which country" higher than the ability to scan alphabetically (I think you would just search...).

Now, we could sort the items by country name (which is available and trivial to do), but then the reader has no indication that they're sorted in such a manner. So my question is: is there a way to either contain the sorting index in the articles title shown on the category page, or to display the some index in place of "A", "B", "C"? Thanks for your help, I really want to find some way to use the categories beyond a deep dark unhelpful maze. -Theanphibian 05:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no way to change the index in place of alphabetical, or to rename what is used for the listing. It is possible to create redirects to the articles using alternate names, and then categorize all the redirects. The redirected titles will appear in the category. For more see Misplaced Pages:Categorizing redirects. I'd love to write a more helpful response, but I have a very sketchy idea what you are asking. Could you explain with a concrete example? -- ☑ SamuelWantman 06:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking that like Category:Nuclear power stations with closed reactors really should be organized by country, but it also kind of wouldn't be helpful to break them up into country sub-categories. Now I'm kind of thinking that a dual-categorization could be appropriate. So, I'm kind of thinking about making a tree like this:

• Nuclear power plants
  • Nuclear power plants by country
    • Country x
      • items unknown amount
      • Country x closed reactors
        • Small list - overlap with below
  • Nuclear power plants by type
    • stuff
  • Nuclear power plants by status
    • Nuclear power plants with closed reactors
      • items x40 about
      • Country x closed reactors (same as above)
    • Nuclear power plants with reactors under construction
      • items x10 about
    • etc.

But... eh... it's cumbersome. -Theanphibian 02:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

New category structure for journals

I started a new category structure for journals. See Category:Journals by publisher. Before I go any further, does this look helpful? In some cases the categories duplicate existing lists. In other cases they gather articles not listed anywhere. What should be done small, independent publishers that only have a few journals, or even just one? Carcharoth 13:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Synergy between lists and redirects and categories

Have a look at Category:Trends journals and Category:Current Opinion journals. Does this look like a good way to combine lists, categories and categorization of redirects in a synergy that allows people to see the existing structure of redirects with disrupting the list and still prompting people to expand the redirects into stubs if appropriate? Category:Trends journals directly categorizes the redirects, while Category:Current Opinion journals lists the redirects in the editable part of the category page. Which way do people here think is best? (In both cases, the redirects are still categorized in the "journal by topic" categories, so Trends in Molecular Medicine still appears in Category:Medical journals, regardless of whether it is listed at Category:Trends journals, or categorized there). Carcharoth 13:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Personally, Category:Current Opinion journals is the wrong way to go since the introduction is not the right thing for a category based on many past discussions. Both of these categories can be speedy deleted as empty based on the lack of content. Vegaswikian 18:20, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Could you expand on that a bit more? Where are the guidelines for what a category introduction should say? Have people in the past tried what I've done there and the discussions said that this is not appropriate? If not, then new discussions are needed. Have a look at Category:Nature Reviews journals. The only difference between that and Category:Trends journals and Category:Current Opinion journals, is that the Nature Review journals have articles. Are we deleting categories now because the articles haven't been written yet? What we have in each case is a list article that might, eventually, produce separate articles for each of the journals. It would seem silly if I had to write stubs for each journal to 'justify' the existence of the category. Let's take another example. While browsing through the journal articles, I came across List of pharmaceutical sciences journals. If I created Category:Pharmaceutical sciences journals, and put List of pharmaceutical sciences journals in there, would the same argument apply? Does List of pharmaceutical sciences journals have to sit in Category:Pharmaceutical sciences until enough journal articles have been created to start to fill a category? What is the tipping point, one, two, three articles? Carcharoth 22:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Maintenance Categories

Is it possible to split maintenance categories from the normal categories?

Example, the categories of Cat are now:

 Categories: Semi-protected | Domesticated animals | Spoken articles | All articles with unsourced statements |
 Articles with unsourced statements since June 2007 | Articles with unsourced statements since May 2007 |
 Articles with unsourced statements since July 2007 | Articles needing additional references from July 2007 |
 Misplaced Pages articles needing copy edit from July 2007 | All articles needing copy edit | Cats | Invasive animal species |
 Cosmopolitan species | Animals kept as pets

It makes sense that Cat belongs to a category "Domesticated animals", but that Cat belongs to "Articles with unsourced statements since June 2007" is something entirely different that belongs to another listing.

This looks much cleaner imho:

 Categories: Semi-protected | Domesticated animals | Spoken articles | Cats | Invasive animal species | Cosmopolitan species | Animals kept as pets

 Maintenance Categories: All articles with unsourced statements | Articles with unsourced statements since June 2007 |
 Articles with unsourced statements since May 2007 | Articles with unsourced statements since July 2007 |
 Articles needing additional references from July 2007 | Misplaced Pages articles needing copy edit from July 2007 | All articles needing copy edit

Or even:

 Categories: Domesticated animals | Cats | Invasive animal species | Cosmopolitan species | Animals kept as pets

 Article Categories: Semi-protected | Spoken articles

 Maintenance Categories: All articles with unsourced statements | Articles with unsourced statements since June 2007 |
 Articles with unsourced statements since May 2007 | Articles with unsourced statements since July 2007 |
 Articles needing additional references from July 2007 | Misplaced Pages articles needing copy edit from July 2007 | All articles needing copy edit

I'm personally really distracted by the large amount of maintenance categories with long names like "Articles with unsourced statements since May 2007" that are abundant in most articles now. I really wouldn't have minded if there were only a few in a few articles, and I agree that it's good to have such a system of maintenance, but currently any article is so flooded with them and the name of those maintenance categories is so long, that you can't really see the normal categories (like cats being a type of domesticated animal) anymore.

Does the wiki software support giving a different listing for normal categories and maintenance categories? Is it possible to have a type of view where the maintenance categories aren't shown? Are there any plans to have something like it or find a different system for those articles with unsourced statements and so on?

--Lodev 21:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a good idea. Perhaps the maintenance categories could be totally hidden, and there could be a "+" at the end of the list that would display them if you clicked on it. Like this...

Categories: Domesticated animals | Cats | Invasive animal species | 
Cosmopolitan species | Animals kept as pets | 

--☑ SamuelWantman 06:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• I know of no way to affect this change. You would probably need to make a request at the village pump. You also may want to look into getting all the maintenance categories repurposed to the talk pages. --After Midnight 23:52, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

• Most of the maintenance categories don't actually need to be categories at all. The same function (an automatically maintained list) can be achieved by creating an invisible link to an existing (or even non-existent) page and using "whatlinkshere" to find the articles with the links. I'll bring this up at the VP. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

• They're much easier to browse if they're in categories, although maintenance categories should have a different categorization tree separate from mainspace cats. --Hemlock Martinis 07:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

  The only differences between a list presented from whatlinkshere vs. a category are:

  1. Categories are presented alphabetically, vs. the seemingly random arrangement of whatlinkshere (it's actually time ordered unless the database has been rebuilt)
  2. Whatlinkshere lists default to 50 per page but the user can select 20/50/100/250/500 (or any other number by manually modifying the URL), vs. a fixed 200 per page for categories

  Do we care about alphabetical lists of pages needing maintenance? This is the thread at the VP. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:16, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Displaying all subcats on one page

I'm under the impression that there is a way to force a large category with multiple pages to display all of its subcats on the first page, instead of spreading them out over succeeding pages. Assuming that I'm correct about this, I'd appreciate it if somebody would be kind enough to explain how to accomplish this. Thanks! Cgingold 14:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The only way that I know how to accomplish this is by using the pipe trick to sort them all to the start of the list. --After Midnight 17:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I see how that would do it -- but of course it would mean going through all of the sub-cats just to make that tiny alteration on each and every one of them. Ughh. Plus, it means losing the alphabetical dividers -- though they'd still be in the right order.

Hmmm. I was hoping there was a simple and direct way to accomplish the objective, through a tweak of the parent category. Perhaps something along the lines of adding __FORCETOC__ to make the TOC appear when there only 2 or 3 sections.

There really needs to be a simple way to do this, because I strongly suspect that many (if not most) people don't realize that there may be additional sub-cats spread out over successive pages. (I know I didn't, for a long time at least.) Any tech sorts want to make this happen?? :) Cgingold 23:04, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

If you go to one level up in the category tree, then you can get a listing of all the subcategories within subcategories of that level in one glance. older ≠ wiser 18:48, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The missing instruction there is to click on the little "+" symbol next to the subcategory name. That should display as collapsed by default on most people's views. Carcharoth 03:04, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

This is a great cleaver suggestion, but unfortunately, a very un-intuitive solution to a common problem. Very few people are likely to think about going up in the hierarchy to find what they are looking for at the same level. Another possibility is to create a new category to hold all the subcategories, and thus divide all the subcategories from the articles. There should be something in common to all these subcategories, and often they are a different grouping from the articles, so it shouldn't be that difficult to come up with a good descriptive name for the grouping. The new category would only contain subcategories, and the old one would only contain articles. This might add an additional level to the taxonomy. Also, often the subcategories are eponymous categories which if they deserve to exist at all, should not be in many of the categories they end up in. So yet another alternative is to delete and/or remove the redundant eponymous subcategories (see WP:OCAT for more about this). Sometimes getting rid of all the eponymous subcategories is all that is needed.-- ☑ SamuelWantman 07:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what a "cleaver suggestion" is, but I agree that it is not intuitive for the purposes of navigation. But the question seemed to be related to maintenance -- that is, if you are concerned that there may be subcategories that are not showing up on the first page because of not using a sort key, then you can check this by going up one level in the tree. But for the purposes of navigation, I think it'd be great if there were a TOC-like magic word or navbox sort of thing that could make the all the subctegories appear on each page of a category listing. older ≠ wiser 08:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Guidelines cleanup

I don't think that one should make statements such as "Check to see where siblings of the article reside" without first establishing what "siblings" means (if nothing, putting in a link). Also, the sentence "If there are few if any articles in a category, the article probably belongs in one of the subcategories" doesn't make sense. Perhaps the author mean "few if any sibling articles"? "For example, avoid placing a category for a profession or organization members or award unless the article provides some verification that the placement is accurate" is even more nonsensical. My best guess for the meaning is "For example, avoid placing an article in a category (such as profession, organization, or award recipients) unless the article provides some verification that the placement is accurate."

Seeing as how it's parenthetical anyway, it seems to me that it should either be rewritten or deleted completely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Heqwm (talk • contribs) 22:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think part of the difficulty is the X or X or X list. How does "avoid placing an article in a category for a profession or award unless the article provides some verification that the placement is accuate" sound? Ƶ§œš¹ 01:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Cycles

526 cycles were found. The list of cycles is presented at the page User:AKA MBG/Cycles. Welcome to resolve it. --AKA MBG 18:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Displaying all subcats on one page - resumed

Thanks to all for the discussion above. Carcharoth's suggestion is certainly very helpful, even if it doesn't directly address & resolve the issue of displaying the subcats on the page you're looking at. But why on earth is there no explanation of those clickable symbols on every page that shows subcats??? What a terrible oversight. It's not just "newbies" that aren't aware of this. I'm an experienced editor (and I've worked extensively with categories), and somehow, I didn't have a clue. Moreover, I re-posted the first part of this discussion on two pages at the Village Pump, and nobody there suggested doing that either. Clearly it needs to be spelled out on every single category page. Hey, at least it doesn't require a technical fix! So what's the best way to get that taken care of?

By the way, this whole issue apparently bothers a heck of a lot of people, judging by this response I got at the Village Pump"

See bugzilla:1211; it's a known problem and has been for a while. When I checked bugzilla a few weeks ago for a Signpost article, I found that this was the most requested bugfix ever, in terms of the number of people who had 'voted' for it on Bugzilla. There is, as explained above, a known workaround, but it's not an ideal situation. (Apparently, it's not trivial to implement in a way that doesn't cause excessive server load.) --ais523 14:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

What I'm wondering right now is, if we add an explanation to the category pages about the clickable symbols, can we also explain very simply & clearly that in order to view all of the subcats, one needs to go up a level and expand the chosen category -- can this be done in such a way as not to confuse things even further? I'm not entirely confident that the average user will necessarily understand exactly what's being explained. Anybody care to take a stab at this? Cgingold 12:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

categorytrees

Well, what do you know. It turns out there IS a simple way to get all of those subcategories displayed -- any time, any place. All you have to do is add <categorytree>Category:Name of category</categorytree> to any page, and voila! (I came across this at Category:Psychology, if you want to see what it looks like.)

Still not a perfect solution, seeing as it duplicates whatever part of the normal subcategory display is shown on the main category page. But it's better than trying to explain how to go up to one of the parent categories in order to use the clickable symbol to expand the subcats. Cgingold 06:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a great find. Please document this on as many relevant pages as you can. Carcharoth 12:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Compound categories?

So far, my understanding of categories at WP has been that if you create one and then add corresponding tags to a bunch of articles, then the titles of those articles will show up as links in the new category. The system searches its index and lists all of the articles that include that one tag. However, wouldn't it be nice if it were possible to create categories that corresponded to multiple tags? I can imagine that the Misplaced Pages system might have to be modified somewhat to make this possible, but think of the possibilities! If a group of articles were provided with a range of descriptive tags, creating really specific categories would then be a snap. One old problem that would be easy to solve with this would be organisms by geographical location; category tags like "Venomous Snakes of Rwanda" would no longer be necessary, as long as all the relevant articles contained tags like "Venomous", "Snake" and "Rwanda" tags (among others). Wonderful!
On the other hand, this idea suddenly strikes me as really obvious; surely someone has thought of it before! So, I wouldn't be surprised if it's simply not possible. Still, it's worth a try. Any idea? --Jwinius 17:56, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like the Misplaced Pages:Category intersection proposal. --Itub 09:57, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. That page is now over a year old; being a proponent of this solution, I don't know if that's good or bad. --Jwinius 11:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

There appears to be broad support for implementing category intersection. The reason it hasn't happened yet appears to be mostly technical -- it would slow the servers down too much. However, every now and then there is discussion about possible ways to deal with the speed problem. I think the technical problems will eventually be solved, but I wouldn't venture to guess when. Also, take a look at the link intersection proposal. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 10:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Cat:Creationism

Category:Creationism is labeled as both Category:Pseudoscience and Category:Denialism. While I can understand that some aspects of the modern creationist movement do play psuedoscientific games, and maybe the fuzzy concept of denialism applies to some of them, but I think it is unfair and derogative to broadly apply such labels to old spiritual traditions, especially when they don't claim to be scientific. I would appreciate it if someone would reorganize this so that only relavent terms (e.g. Intelligent Design) are placed in such categories rather than painting all of creationism with such views. 75.61.103.123 20:31, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Its not that they claim to be scientific or not. Its many factors including the explanations that scientists give to say that something is pseudoscientific. Creationism will most likely involve concepts that will help the reader understand the concept of pseudoscience. Also, Misplaced Pages has a policy that places science highly as an explanining force. So it should probably apply. Realbie 07:27, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Err, on the last point, Misplaced Pages most emphatically does not have a "policy that places science highly". The fundamental Misplaced Pages policy is neutral point of view, which asserts the exact opposite: that we must neutrally describe all viewpoints. In any case, I tend to agree with 75.61.*.*: it's simply factually incorrect to call Native American creation myths "pseudoscience", for example. Pseudosciences are things like phrenology, and intelligent design is one as well, but many creation stories are simply cultural artifacts, often predating science, not "pseudoscience". --Delirium 01:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't this belong in the category talk page? Orpheus 04:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Geographical sub-categorization standard?

I'm having a little back-and-forth about whether a particular Australian category should be a sub-category of the related "Asia" or "Oceania" category. I'd prefer to follow the U.N. standard (Australia as part of Oceania), but if Misplaced Pages has chosen a different standard, that's fine too. Anybody have a reference at which I can be pointed? Studerby 06:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

While I am not sure we have a standard per se, whenever we have regional organizational designations, Australia has always been listed under Oceania. Examples include Category:Misplaced Pages requested photographs in Australia being part of Category:Misplaced Pages requested photographs in Oceania, Category:Australia stubs being a member of Category:Oceania stubs, etc. --Kralizec! (talk) 14:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Controversial Categories

Hello again. I just realized that some editors don't browse via edit history etc and can miss discussion if it is higher in the talkpage. There is an addition to the controversial category section above: . Regards Hal Cross 07:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Most likely users are ignoring your comments; no need to post another section. —Christopher Mann McKay 06:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposal parenting on intersection categories

See CfD Sept 30#Category:Jewish football players, where there is proposal which I think has much wider implications. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Categorization and subcategories as it relates to Rivers Categories

There does not seem to be consistency in river categories and their tributary subcategories about whether articles listed in the tributary subcategories should also be listed in the parent categories. In some cases parent cats are listed, in others not.

An argument against is overpopulation of the main river categories. This would seem to support removing articles from parent categories wherever possible.

An argument in favor is that without listing articles in the parent river category, one would not know in which tributary subcategory to locate a river. How would one know to find stream x in subcategory y? Listing articles in the parent cat seems to solve this dilemma, making it easier to locate river x in state y.

An example is Category:Rivers of Pennsylvania.

It would be nice to reach a consensus so that we can move forward and establish consistency, at least in the rivers categories. Gjs238 22:24, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

• Disagree I think that the category cited above is a prime example of an overpopulated category that needs to have appropriate streams and creeks moved to the appropriate subcategory. --evrik  14:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Help on how to cat articles on musicals

Over at WikiProject Musical Theatre, we've been having LENGTHY discussions as to how to handle categorization of articles on musicals. Mainly, it's how to categorize them by nationality: in some cases, it's obvious that a musical is American (American creators, first major production on Broadway), but in others -- and in a world where creators are increasingly less bound by spatial considerations it's becoming much more frequent -- creators of different nationalities produce a musical, leaving it more difficult to categorize. If you look at our talk page, you can see the conversations we've had. If anyone with a little more expertise can help us out, it would be GREATLY appreciated. —  MusicMaker5376 15:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Large categories and subcategories

There is an issue illustrated at Category:People from North Holland. There are about 260 pages and five subcategories. But only four of the subcategories are visible when initially loading the page and so it says There are 4 subcategories in this category, which are shown below. More may be shown on subsequent pages. This is not really satisfactory, so one option is to label all subcategories as "*" as in . But that is not satisfactory either. --Rumping 15:12, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia_talk:Categorization#categorytrees above. Carcharoth 12:17, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Nobel Prize nominees

Although Nobel Prize nominations are kept secret for 50 years, I think it would be a useful category. Please let me know your opinion! — Tirkfl 08:36, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I have doubts. First, it would have to be restricted to the official lists and so far there are only two. Second, it would add categories to those already over categorised (Stalin seems to have been nominated twice for the Peace Prize). Third, it would not particularly aid navigation.--Rumping 10:58, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

ad 1) The category could be named "Unofficial Nobel Prize nominees". Or there could be a category for the officials and the unofficials. I made a quick search and found 14 persons (unofficials included). If the nominees are made public after 50 years there are already a lot of people, who could be put in this category. ad 2) There are always "over-categorised" people, but the ones I found are definitely not. Finally, I disagree with your 3rd point: everybody can easily find the winners, but if you are searching for the nominees you have to click through several search results. — Tirkfl 14:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)