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Copy from Talk:Ferrer

This article is profundely erroneous. The name of Ferrer is not of a single English (Norman) origin. It is a very simple latin-deridatived name, wich has appeared simultaneously in many countries. In Spain, in particulary in Catalonia, one can observe that the Ferrer name appeared in iron-producing areas (such as Vallespir) since the very end of XIIth century, well before any emigration from England ! 82.242.236.21 14:32, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

(edit) : One anonymous user, StuartStewart keeps posting this nonsense of "English Ferrers" in Spain in every article related to the subject. This non-sourced statements (of course - I wonder where he can find references for that !). I suspect a confusion between a very limited emigration from England and a genealogical legend uses by some spanish families to justify their nobility by refering at the prestigious de Ferrers family. It is a very common trick used by faimlies of common origin in the modern times, such as the Colbert, burgess from Reims, pretending descent from scottish nobility. 82.242.236.21 14:38, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I put on a No original research tag on the page. All unreferenced additions should be deleted.--Celtus (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

References

There is a problem with a couple of the refs inserted by User:StuartStewart:

• http://p1ym.us/FAmily%20History%20FHE.ppt#259,1,Stewart is suppost to prove the the "Ferrer family has a longstanding tradition of intermarriage with the Stewart clan" Problem is it looks like original research, someone's family tree or something. Notice the majority of the images in the ref are ripped of Misplaced Pages.

• http://www.tulollevas.com/informacion_apellidos.php/id/11 & http://heraldicahispana.com/ApA/ferrer-freire.htm are suppose to prove that Ferrer "although the Catalan name is, in fact, of English origin". The problem here is the links are to Spanish language sites, and they both seem to be sites where you can create a username and add information, much like a wiki.

I agree with the concerns of the poster above: that it looks like this article is portraying one English medieval family as being the origin of all Ferrers. Ferrer simply means "smith", a very common occupational name (and also the most common Catalan surname).--Celtus (talk) 06:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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