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Jimbo

I'd love to get along with Jimbo. Unfortunately, all I have ever heard from him after years of tireless work on this site is scorn and subtle threats. Of course, he is a human being, but ordinarily a human being will actually address the points one makes in a discussion—Jimbo stares right past them and accuses me of not supporting the civility policy, coddling trolls and promoting "wikianarchism", and essentially tells me I'm unwelcome. Everyking (talk) 04:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Acid attack

Could you give this thread and the second paragraph of this section an overview for me (see also this diffs). Am concerned that this issue may need to go to the Ethnic conflicts group - but I would like to prevent it from escalating that far. I asked User:Coren to look at this weeks ago, they have ignored my post.

Could you also look at this edit and the source it purports to reflect - looks to me like it has serious weight issues as well as needing to be rephrased. What do think? Am I wrong here?

I'm sorry to bug you with this but I am swamped in real life - I'm also in need of a second pair of eyes to double check what I'm saying here--Cailil 01:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Cailil, this thread eluded me during a busy few days. Is the matter still pendant? Jehochman 13:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Your comment on my talk page: I responded there.

Gray62 (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. Please list usernames of those you think are socking. What makes you think I have not been checking the support votes also? Did you know that I am a specialist in uncovering sock puppets? See User:Jehochman/RFCU. Jehochman 15:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Forgot what your yourself wrote in that RfA? "We are looking at the opposes because that's where there has been active sock puppetry!" Now, excuse me pls, but this sounds to me as if you're looking at the opposed editors only! You never stated otherwise, afaik.

Apart from this, why is the checkuser on me still not finished? In the case of that sockpuppet, with which you carelessly associated me (instead of building a seperate case for me), it took only half an hour between posting the request and the result! What's the problem??? Gray62 (talk) 17:41, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sam Korn handled the checkuser request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Eastbayway and his verdict is "Unrelated to anyone else, and no evidence to suggest sockpuppetry". Well, I told you so. However, I would appreciate you posting a statement about this outcome at the discussion page of Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Cirt. Imho you owe me and that other guy. Gray62 (talk) 18:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I will. Of the accounts checked thus far, it looks like 5/8 were socks. It is the nature of things that innocents sometimes get checked. If there were a way to identify socks conclusively without checkuser, then we wouldn't need checkuser. :-) Jehochman 18:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Uh, thx for the explanation, but I would have preferred a simple "I apologize"... Gray62 (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

The facts speak more loudly than interpretations. Jehochman 19:48, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop this witchhunt. You are not helping Cirt's cause. Z00r (talk) 04:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

It's not a witch hunt. A significant additional number of oppose votes have been confirmed as socks, and will be struck. This is one of the worst, if not the worst, cases of vote fraud I have ever seen on Misplaced Pages. Be patient and the facts will be made clear shortly. Jehochman 12:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

WP:TROUT

AN/I log :) -- lucasbfr 16:32, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

See User_talk:Rlevse#RFA — Rlevse • Talk • 02:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh yes, I am a watchlist fanatic. ;-) Thanks for that. I am going to go strike my over the top comment. Getting a bit steamed, yes I am, and I shall now take some tea. Jehochman 02:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Chat

I am in IRC. If you want, I would like to talk to you there. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:55, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, my Firefox installation crashed, so I lost my chat client and have not reinstalled it yet. I am very sorry to argue with you. I am putting on a conference Tuesday and have guests coming from out of town. I should really get to bed instead of futzing with software. Can we catch up later in the week? Jehochman 02:57, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry as well. As for the chat, we can always do it later. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 03:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Me and a couple of buddies here engage in occasional (or constant) dry humour which probably doesn't port well to a broader audience... and written communication and all... Whiskeydog (talk) 03:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hey old friend. I know you are doing what you think is best for the project. So am I. Please don't take it personal. When this is over in a couple hours we can both go get that cup of tea. --Justallofthem (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Or beer! Friendly disagreements are OK. I don't mind. Jehochman 18:11, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Beer sounds fine! Make mine Killian's Red. I only drink a few beers per year but I would be happy to lift a glass with you. --Justallofthem (talk) 18:15, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Cheers! I usually drink wine, better for the arteries. Jehochman 18:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Remove protection?

Hi there, I was wondering if you could please remove the protection you put on my "talk" page? I was very frustrated at the time b/c there were many mistakes being made with regard to my blocking. --Einsteindonut (talk) 18:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Jehochmman, thank you so much for all of the work you did during my RfA and for your strong support. Comments from two different bureaucrats on-wiki justify that there was a need to look into the disruption that was going on, and I really appreciated benefiting from your experience throughout the whole process - I hope to have the pleasure and benefit of doing so again in the future in my role as administrator. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 02:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

That RfA

You said "This RFA had the most cynical vote stacking I have ever seen." I noticed this at WJBScribe's talk page. It caught my interest, so I'm off to have a look. Have you said more about this elsewhere, or is it something better e-mailed? Carcharoth (talk) 05:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh. I see now. The oppose section is a mess, and the talk page has lots. That's enough for me to see roughly what is going on. Carcharoth (talk) 05:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

See also Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Eastbayway. Aside from the Cirt fracas, there has been long term socking and disruption at Landmark Education and related articles. That, I think, is a more serious problem that may need following up. Jehochman 11:58, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Good conflict resolution

Sorry if this sounds condescending or partisan, but I'd like to congratulate you, Jonathan, for reaching out to bury past conflict and move forward positively, here and here. ☺ Coppertwig (talk) 19:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. It is very important not to prolong disputes beyond their natural end. Jehochman 19:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Now if only someone could bottle that splendid attitude and sell it! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 06:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Odd Edit (Oddit?)

Hi. Thank you. I noticed that, it's weird indeed... 'twas caused by some Internet telephony (JAJAH) plug-in I am not using. I switched it off and now it seems to work. :) — N-true (talk) 19:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Essay thoughts

I am thinking about starting an essay, Misplaced Pages:No personal umbrage (to go with Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. The idea is that people should not take personal offense at criticisms that are meant for the good of the project. We have too many editors who get upset about a perceived insult long ago and nurse disagreements until they become feuds. Then they try to find friends to support them, and eventually we have battling factions causing mayhem hither and thither. What do my talk page lurkers think about this idea? Jehochman 00:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Great idea. Though you might need a definition of umbrage for those who have not encountered that word before. Carcharoth (talk) 02:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Civility

Hi there. I recently quoted you at Misplaced Pages talk:Civility#Discussion of civility at recent Request for Arbitration. Would you have time to check that I haven't misrepresented what you said? There are several other threads on that talk page that you might be interested in as well, and a proposal to rewrite the policy. For the whole recent story, read downwards from Misplaced Pages talk:Civility#A Big Question: Does this page make sense?. This will need to be advertised more widely to get more balanced input, but for now I'm notifying those I quoted from the RfArb, and a few other editors who have either written essays on this, or have been active on the talk page recently. Apologies if you had this watchlisted anyway. Carcharoth (talk) 06:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

CyberLink

CyberLink Corp.

Hi Jehochman

Dude! I noticed you deleted CyberLink's corporate profile off Misplaced Pages. Surely that doesn't actually count as advertising? For that to be a possibility one would have to delete Adobe or Microsoft too? How can we resolve this?

Thanks

Matthew —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mattyjon (talk • contribs) 11:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

CyberLink (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The problem wasn't notability. The problem was that the entire article was written like an advertisement. Misplaced Pages is not for advertising. It is not the role of our volunteers to rewrite advertising material submitted by corporate agents. If you would like to work on the article, feel free to recreate it, but do not do so if you are affiliated with the company in any way, and do not write like an advertisement. To avoid further deletion, be sure to use reliable sources to reference everything. Don't just link to the corporate website.

If it would help, I can provide a copy of the deleted article to your userspace to help with drafting. Jehochman 11:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

PowerDVD

Hello, I saw the talk page of PowerDVD tagged as CSD G8 as you deleted the article per G11. The article has been around since 2003 and if you review it you shoudl find versions that aren't pure spam. So you may want to reconsider this and rather bring it to AfD. --Tikiwont (talk) 12:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me. It seems that all of the prior versions are the same, a product sell sheet. None of them contain any independently verified information or references. It seems that you might like this sent to AfD, so I will do that. Jehochman 12:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, it started as a one line stub. I now see above thread. Sometimes regular editors with a penchant for detailed facts and completeness produce something similar to what a COI editor would do. And the latter mimic our existing poor artciles with the usual "But my listing is modeled on the similar..." argument. Actually I had this player installed on my previous PC, which prompted me to look into this in the first place and it is rather well known. --Tikiwont (talk) 13:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that could be true. However, at least one corporate employee worked on the articles , and I suspect that other accounts may be linked. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Nick Saunders. We'll get to the bottom of this. Feel free to fix the article. If there are three solid references available, and the product feature list is removed, this might become a reasonable start class article. Jehochman 13:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

September 20th 2008

Please follow your own guidelines and leave responses on this page instead of spamming up mine. My policy is to always respond on your user page. I have no interest in debating this with you further, although feel free to add fact tags to anything you disagree with and I'll provide references, even though they are not normally needed on talk pages. Please also don't cite WP guidelines, I already read them and citing them is a grave personal insult to my photographic memory. Oh the irony. Mojo-chan (talk) 18:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Heh. Your last post was removed. This one is much more useful, so I am happy to respond here. I don't have any editorial disagreement with you about the article PowerDVD. If you can add details, references and generally make improvements, I will stand aside and clap. My concerns for that article, and a bunch of others about CyberLink products, was that an official of the company had apparently been spamming Misplaced Pages to promote their products. It is not acceptable for companies to dump commercial content into Misplaced Pages and then expect volunteers to clean up their messes. When they do that, the correct response is speedy deletion under criteria G11 "blatant advertising". Jehochman 18:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Kmweber

Thanks for the note, seems like it's a done deal anyway. And I'm not going to get in front of the bus for an editor I'm not 100% behind anyway. I'm more disgusted with the way it was done than the actual result if that makes any sense. The ugly side of Misplaced Pages popped out of a few peoples foreheads last night and I'm hoping that a few reasonable editors take note going forward. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say, I'm just very discouraged...oh well. RxS (talk) 19:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Aye. Jehochman 19:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)