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Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Alastair Haines!!!. I saw your name listed at WP:PRV as a general copyeditor. I was wondering if you can copyedit Goan Catholics, which is about a small Christian group, since I have noticed you are interested in Christianity. You can take your own time and copyedit the article whenever you are free. Also, if you have any suggestions, please do put it up. Thanks in anticipation, Sanfy13:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Re: Mangalorean Catholics
Hello Alastair. You are right. Just check Talk:Mangalorean Catholics#GA Review2, you'll find the article just failed due to reliability issues. I can prove that none of the references used are unreliable. Sources used although not the best, but works for the article. If the reviewer just gives me a day to explain why the sources are considered reliable, I can prove it, but failing the article just because the reviewer declares it unreliable, withouth even bothering to check it's reliabilty. This is totally unacceptable. Do you think the Prose is not of GA quality? The article has already been copyedited by User:Finetooth. If you think so, please do some light copyedits. Professional copyedits are not required as this is just a GA nominee. FA is not possible as the article is not complete.
I know this site is unreliable for contentious claims. But it is used only in the Organization section. Because for a organization of 200-300 people, there's no BBC, CNN or any other national newspaper. Such local e-papers have to be used for such non-contentious claims. KensplanetContributions12:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
This is a site widely used across Misplaced Pages. Looking at the sources, it is clear that the contents are updated directly from the Vatican http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/sources.html. Anyway, do you think it is unreliable.
I am proud that India's tragedy is Australia's also, may those who suffer together learn to love together.
Indiancatholics.com
"The Indiancatholic.com is owned and maintained by the Office of the Spokesperson and the Media/Information Office of the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India." The Media/Information Office was established as the "Public Relations Office in 1992". They claim to be "the most popular Church News and Information Service on the Internet from India."
They are a public relations office, hence represent an authoritative, but self-interested, source of information regarding matters within their jurisdiction—the CBCI. This jurisdiction includes Mangalore Catholics. However, they are not a reliable source of their own popularity.
Some articles are written by contributors external to the Office, but reviewed by professionals. Regarding historical information, better sources should be obtained. Regarding contemporary and local opinions and matters of self-identification, it is a valid and reliable source.
Daijiworld.com
Daijiworld claim "100,000 individuals from around 180 countries" visit their site daily. I can only repeat that a Wiki editor who specialises in Wiki standards regarding RS has confirmed that an e-paper, with a named editor-in-chief and published head office address is acceptable.
Magalorean.com
Dear Ken, I consider this a reliable source, but you are right, controversial claims should not be sourced on this site. However, the photographic documentation of the events is outstanding. I think those underline the value of local e-papers to Misplaced Pages. I suppose photographs can be doctored or mis-captioned, but there is nothing controversial here. How better could we convince someone an event took place in a local community than to show photographs of that event published in a local e-paper?
Catholic-heirarchy.org
"This web site is not officially sanctioned or approved by any Catholic Church authority."
"The contents are purely the responsibility of David M. Cheney."
I trust David M. Cheney, but Wiki cannot. But we can cite the sources he cites, and those are reliable (the Bibliography, that is, and maybe the web-sites). Perhaps you need to isolate the references that he used to produce the information you use. Additionally, it is a convenient online summary of information based on those reliable sources, which contains no advertising and costs nothing to visit—an excellent External link.
I have found a something: The Text of the NT in Contemporary Research, p. 31.
I spent a nice time in Scotland. They have very particular way for pronounciation of English. It was problem. "Speak slower please". I was too short to learn this kind of pronounciation (letters: r, h). Sometimes I tought: "In what language he is speaking". I was surprised that everything (almost everything) is cheapper than in Poland. Films on DVD two times cheapper (I like Schwarzenegger, James Bond etc.). Prices in Poland are very expensive. Why? Corruption? In the next year I think about Israel (in October). It is most expensive country in the world. Every man, who loves Bible thinks about this country. Cordialement. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:01, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
As I look at the WP talk:Manual of Style discussion, the primary message i get is - Add notes, links, if necessary. Brackets or short explanations in the text do work. --Redtigerxyz05:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
G'day all - I'm hoping that I might persuade you along to a Wiki christmas celebration / meetup on december 18th :-) - The meetup regulars are a friendly bunch, and we're very much hoping to get a few new folk along to chat about all things Wiki (and there are apparently some exciting things in the pipeline! Come along to find out a bit more ;-) - you can sign up here - and do feel free to edit that page with any more ideas or suggestions too :-)
Hope to see you there - I've heard a rumour that the first drink is on the highest placed Australian in the current arbcom elections.... Privatemusings (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)ok, so I started that rumour too....
OMG. What a deep research. You are a genius. Please teach me the art of judging reliable sources. I cannot still digest it that this site can be unreliable in any way. All the contents are reviewed by professionals. The accuracy of the contents are thoroughly checked. There are a very very few online sources for the community which may be considered reliable. I think this is one of them. All others are Blogs, etc.. How can we forget, this is from the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India, the most reliable source which we can ever trust. There are hardly any reliable sources left if such reputed organizations are not considered reliable. KensplanetContributions07:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Catholic-heirarchy.org
I am a fool. I should have read the About. Instead I just read the sources. The Site is unreliable then. Are you sure we can use the Bibliography sources. I haven't gone through any of them. KensplanetContributions07:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
As you say you have checked Indiancatholic.com is used to site British general Arthur Wellesley helped 10,000 of them return to South Canara and resettle on their lands.
Apart from that, it is also used as a Reference for (not mentioned as a Ref) in the Lead
Most of the ancestors of Mangalorean Catholics, were Goan Catholics, who had migrated to South Canara from towns in Goa, a state north of Canara, between 1500 and 1763 during the Goa Inquisition and the Portuguese-Maratha wars. (the date)
Gradually they learned the languages of South Canara but retained Konkani as their mother tongue.
Although the article appears in Mangalorean.Com, it is a Press release from the organization itself. Are Images, text and other stuff rom press releases in the Public domain?
No no I am not using it. If Press release images are in the public domain, then I think the Images of terrorists captured on CCTV can be put in the terrorist attacks article. I'll check it out. KensplanetContributions08:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes I know you are a professional writer. Anyone can guess that after analyzing your smart posts. Please use your Australian as well as American holiday. :) You can make money easily by your writings. Do you intend to become a writer. Do not forget to release all your contents under the Public Domain. Actually, I don wanna use any online URL's but have to sometimes. Anyway, I'll try to improve. I promise to use only books henceforth. Your sources above are excellent. I'll work on that. Please accept this Barnstar from me. I am too. much impressed with you.
yes, sorry, I was miffed that you had reverted the lead yet again. I should take (and did take) my own advice. As it stands, your final post to the talkpage is perfectly constructive, and as I state, I have no beef with the biological discussion, I simply insist that historical and sociological angles be given greater weight. Thanks, --dab(𒁳)12:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I am not sure if you have seen my Heide Göttner-Abendroth article -- this is the kind of feminist pseudo-scholarship that makes you itch for rebuttals. But WP:DUE says we shouldn't devote space to debunking theories that don't have any support in the first place, at least not in articles that are really dedicated to a larger scope. --dab(𒁳)12:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Kurt Aland and some other articles of my recent editing
You requested about expansion of this article by translating it from the excellent de:Wiki page. Today I have translated section "Biograrfie" from de:wiki. Section "Zur theologischen Bedeutung Alands"... maybe later.
In Martin Schøyen Collection I wrote: "Ms 2650, Codex Schøyen, from the 4th century, the oldest Gospel of Matthew in Coptic dialect", but someone contested It on a Talk page. It is the oldest Coptic manuscript of Mathhew, not the oldest manuscript of NT at all. By the way, only 21 uncial mss remain. Do you want some of them? With regards. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 22:37, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
In the article Codex BoreelianusUser:Textcrit - perhaps expert - add linkes and some information to the article. Links are very usefull (all images of the codex, history of the codex, collation). On the basis of this links we can axpand article succesfylly. Now we have access to every important information about this codex. His contribution is very important for this article (even crucial). I did not know, that this codex was digitalized. It is nice, that sometimes some experts correct and expand our work. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 13:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Today I made about 100 edits on the en-wiki articles, and only 3 on other wikis (pl-wiki - 1 edit, fr-wiki - 1 edit, and de-wiki - 1 edit). I have created a new section in the article Papyrus - Papyrus#Collections of papyri. I think in List of New Testament papyri we need to write about collections in a similar way. In suggest to create in the article Biblical manuscripts new sections: Palimpsests and diglot manuscripts.
I have ordered brochure "Codex Sinaiticus" hrsg. Ulrich Johannes Schneider, Leipzig im Universitätsverlag 2007, ISBN 978-3-86583-182-8. It has 48 pages, and 9.80 €. (See Leipziger Universitätsverlag).
They answered me: "in den nächsten Tagen zugestellt werden kann".
I need every information about every manuscript.
Yesterday I created article Minuscule 1739, I made some links to Church Fathers quoted on a margin of this manuscript, and to my surprise Clement of Rome is named as Pope Clement I. Why? It is anachronismus. I agree with your comments on the talk page.
What about biblical variants? Perhaps in Februar. For now I have a lot of other work (minuscules and expansion of uncials). I have expanded Uncial 0308. I think this article is complete. Do you want to see it? Maybe I will create "Princeton Papyri" (there are a lot of links). We have Michigan Papyrus Collection, we can have Princeton Papyrus Collection too.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Not only manuscripts
You know, Józef Antoni Poniatowski is complete enogh (for me). It is not my subject. In history of Poland only 17th century is interesting for me. But I created Hasta la vista, baby. I was intended to create this article even in April, but manuscripts are always primary target for me. On pl-wiki I created several articles about symphonies of Mendelssohn (they did not existed on pl-wiki before my editing), pl:Staffa, pl:Grota Fingala. They were translated from English (partly from German). Several articles about places and rivers of the Białowieża Forest (f.e. pl:Łutownia). It is my place. I was born there. Perhaps I should translate them into English... Maybe later. Manuscripts, libraries, collections are more interesting for me. 14 December I edited mainly on fr:wiki. I like this language, and I use wikipedia for learning. But I do not speak (completely). Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 04:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks
Just wanted to say thanks for dropping by my talk page. While I still firmly believe I was right, obviously that conversation was past the point of doing anyone any good, and your calm, non-biased remarks were just what both of us needed. Thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for taking the time to have a look at the article, and also for all your kind words and encouragements ! It looks much better now. This was so nice of you. Have a merry Christmas, Rosenknospe (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Masculine is not solely used to descibe males
Your recent edits to masculinity contradict reliable sources that use the word "masculine" to describe females as well as males. As "masculine" means having qualities appropriate to or usually associated with a man, this means masculinity isn't just about maleness but also about traits considered masculine, and thus masculinity can be applied to things and people of either sex. Blackworm (talk) 20:18, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
I completely agree that reliable sources make it clear that masculinity is about much more than "maleness". Whether restoring previous text upheld that view, was consistent with it, or contradicts it we should discuss further, probably at the article's talk page. Comments to that effect are on your own talk page. Thanks for your reply there. Alastair Haines (talk) 03:07, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
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Hi. I happened to notice your excellent copyedit contributions in the current FAC article Vithoba. I authored the above article, which failed FAC about 6 months back, mostly for prose issues. I got busy with other successful FAC's thereafter. Do you have the time to do a copyedit to this well cited article which I am planning to bring to FAC again. PS: It has significant information on one of your favorite topics (Jainism). Regards,Dineshkannambadi (talk) 19:10, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your respond. Having copy edited many of Dinesh's articles, and then being attacked by his supporters for copy editing Tamil-related articles, I am only concerned that articles be fair and not biased or supporting one ethnic group/language over another. That is purely my concern. As I am sure you are aware, no one owns an article on Misplaced Pages. That is true of this one also, whom ever the "main" editor is. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 07:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
"...and then being attacked by his supporters for copy editing Tamil-related articles,..." - do you have any evidence/diffs for your preposterous claims or is it just that you revel in shooting your mouth off? Sarvagnya17:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Friend Sarvagnya, please read my comment below, with gentleness I would ask you to respect my desire not to know of other people's past conflicts in this area. Please allow me room to enjoy meeting new people as though there is no past. I think Mattisse has said what he wants to say. I think it is over, he has moved on. Does what I say make sense, can you see that everyone is new to me and I'm just looking forward to enjoying learning new things with new friends? When you think of me, please think of ahimsa, that is what I seek at Wiki. It is possible, and I expect you and I may share that in future work together. Peace friend. Alastair Haines (talk) 18:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
OK, I do thank you, but I'm getting more of a picture than I need to know. I love contributors and copyeditors, hard working people. I hope people will forgive me for trying to be neutral. Politics is something I dislike. I am the kind of idiot that tries to be everyone's friend. ;)
Just now, Dinesh is a new friend. Thank you for leaving us space to build that independently of past and separate issues. There is a lot of history in India, like everywhere, and I can't take sides in what I don't understand. Yes, I will try hard to gently help people give me that space if we ever need to discuss that.
There is a lot of space at Misplaced Pages, very often we can move away from bad experiences. I wish you better luck in future copyediting work. It's such a great contribution to the encyclopedia. Have a really nice day, Mattisse. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 07:41, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for starting your work on this article. While you are at it, could you check the veracity of this claim by Fowler in the lead However, other scholars believe the literary tradition in Kannada to have begun with Kavirajamarga itself, and point to the absence of references before the ninth century in the early literary works such as the Sabdamanidarpanam of Kesiraja.. I know what Sheldon Pollock says (he is a Sanskrit scholar), but I am rather surprised at the citation provided citing Chidananda Murthy, who as far I know, claims 7th century Kannada literature (opus like) existed. Requesting for scanned copies for verification, in case a google search does not help is also a possibility. We want to make sure that there is no WP:SYN, putting togather two disparate sentences from multiple sources to convey one meaning. I have requested another user to verify this, if required from book sources in India.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
I have not forgotten my promise, and have been looking forward to getting back to your excellent article, and to some of the fascinating research related to it.
My modem failed about 10 days ago, and my motherboard a few days later, so I've been offline for a while working on real life things.
Please give me a few days to get reorganized and your article will become my top priority project.
Sorry for not understanding your position in this article. I have never interacted with User:AzureFury before, but I think he has real problem understanding what constitutes original research. I am not the only one who has brought that up in that talk page. But reading your comments again, I get a feeling that you are a sweet-speaking person trying not to hurt others sentiments including AzureFury. Please forgive me if my understanding was and is wrong. I hope your constructive comments regarding the improvement of the article will also be taken into account in your absence.Docku:What up?15:49, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the nice and wise words. I agree wih you that sourcing the article is going to be difficult but possible. Let us see how it all turns out. thanks for your offer of help and have great holidays. Docku:What up?01:08, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
ROFL! ChildofMidnight that's brilliant! After all those years of wondering how one man could give gifts all over the world in a single night, finally someone tells me ... someone else is actually co-ordinating the operation! Perfect and so true!
I saw your response! :) I was glad you enjoyed it. I was going to say something about the elves getting all the credit, but I thought I better not push it. Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Bless you! ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually I was busy spamming although Wiki is not meant for that :) I fear I'll be blocked for that. Messages are all Cut-Paste jobs. KensplanetC14:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
May be Vithoba will make it this time, this month end, I am going to Pandharpur for the images. Keep an eye on it, till then. --Redtigerxyz16:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Alastair do you remember me User:Sanfy who sent you a message for copyediting for Goan Catholics. May the joy and peace of Christmas be with you, all through the year.. Wishing u n yr family season of blessing from heaven above. Merry Christmas Alastair Haines.Sanfy
It was already done. I just drew the table and time-frames. Also added some Images, It's not so difficult since the Governors of Bombay are well documented as can be seen from Primary Sources KensplanetC05:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Alastair, thank you for the improvements _and_ the basic neutrality left!
Good job and have nice holydays! Thank you very much, in deed!
-87.160.250.18 (talk) 06:20, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
You are welcome, friend. Please consider registering some time, any name or gender will do, I just find a tag other than a number easier to related to. ;) Very best to you too. :) Alastair Haines (talk) 07:04, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
New Category
I want create new category: "New Testament manuscripts" for articles like CSNTM, INTF, Family 1, Family 13, Jerusalem Colophon. Articles f, f have wrong category for now (Category:New Testament text-types). They are not text-types, but sub-families of one of text-type. In that case Category:Caesarean text-type can be usefull, but I do not think we need multiply Categories.
I am intending to create several articles about families and subfamilies of manuscripts (like Family Π, "Family 1424" and other in impossible to immagine the future). These articles will need "Category:New Testament manuscripts". Of course we can create "families of New Testament manuscripts", but what we can do with articles Jerusalem Colophon, CSNTM, INTF, and others which still do not have precise categories. If you agreed with me do not answer. I use Gregory now. It is good for expanding articles. It will take a long time for me. I want to expand intro in lists of NT papyri, and NT uncials. These articles should be featered. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 20:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
This barnstar awarded by Vithoba to Alastair Haines, to say Thanks for Alastair's great work in copyediting as well as his suggestions in other aspects, which made the article a FA. Redtigerxyz05:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
It will be my privilege to work with you again. I will need your help for more articles in 2009. Will trouble you again soon ;). --Redtigerxyz06:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Addendum: Hi! We never crossed paths but I have seen that you have worked hard on many India-related articles. Just dropped by to say your efforts are appreciated. Thanks, --KnowledgeHegemony17:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
thank for your points in the BLP survey
Thank you Alastair for raising some very important points in the BLP survey. These are issues that many people seem to be running away from when they should be discussing them. Your points about the Dow Jones & Company Inc v Gutnick case are very pertinent - especially for those of us living in jurisdictions where libel laws are far far stricter than the USA's--Cailil21:43, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Gregory
I am not so sure, but I know one your copy edit work is really excelent. It is not only my opinion. Did you see Codex Sinaiticus in last time? It was nominated to GA (it has above 39 000 scores). I do not know if you actually have a time, but just for the moment. Three days ago pl:Kodeks Watykański received GA (almost 30 000 scores). I will try to translate into English additional material, but for now Codex Sinaiticus is more important. I think also about expanding article Codex Alexandrinus, and Novum Instrumentum omne (it has 13 556 scores for now). You said about other languages, but not on every wiki "professional" articles are so welcome. "More popular style please". But the article Hasta la vista, baby is more fraquently visited, than any other created by me. It is not surprised for me. With regards. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 07:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
I have created article Matthew 16:2b-3. You have a lot of edits in Mark 16, John 7:53-8:11, and Comma Johanneum, it means subject is yours. You can edit. It has only 7 300 scores, but it can have 20 000. It is also like introduction to the list of textual variants. I did not know before that Minuscule 579 inserted this passage after verse 9. With regards. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 00:39, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar for my little gnoming effort on your article. Your acknowledgment enthuses me to do some more new page patrolling heh. Thank you for writing the article in the first place, as well as the huge effort you're putting in to List of Australian butterflies and numerous others before
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Good work Mr Botsky, this has been organised well. Frans Kasiepo now links to Frans KaIsiepo, a hero of the Republic of Indonesia. Decidedly notable chap, and the mis-spelling can be found in even the best sources. It would be a bit curious, but I can provide both primary and secondary sources for the mis-spelling to argue for the retention of the redirect if necessary, but surely redirects don't need this kind of attention. ;)
I speak an old Flemish dialect which is a bit removed from current Dutch....but here goes..........
The Malino Conference on 25 July 1946 will be held in Malino on the island of Celeses (?). The Netherlands says that during the conference for states in to feed (not sure what is meant here). LG____________ launches the idea.
The idea is that the Dutch East Indies, in a/the future independant world (will exist) in the form of a federation of different states. The plan is that the federation remains part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, with Queen Wilhelmina as Head of State. Sokarno gets a republic with its own states with the new United States of Indonesia.
The Republic wants to know nothing of the idea.
Sokarno doesn't agree with the idea. He wants, first, the complete independence of Indonesia in terms of a unitary state (not a federation).Then and only then will he consider keeping a link with the Netherlands.--Buster7 (talk) 02:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
About the Gender of God article
Alastair, if I may make a contribution: I actually agree with much of what you'd like to write about vis-a-vis the Gender of God article. I think, however, you're making these contributions in the wrong Misplaced Pages entry. In other words, the other editors who have come to a consensus not to include this material are right about not placing that particular text within this particular article, yet you are right about the need to have these clarifications within Misplaced Pages articles.
The real problem seems to be one I have seen years ago on Misplaced Pages, back when I was a very active editor & contributor. Too many topics began to develop, in too much depth, for all of it to make sense within just one article. As such, we started splitting articles up into a series of related articles. Given what the consensus is for other articles, I think we should have the same sort of distinction in Gender of God. The gender of God article is already covering many topics. In line with what we do elsewhere, whenever possible we briefly discuss an issue, and link to the appropriate article which discusses that point in more depth. RK (talk) 17:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for commenting RK, however the two editors are simply lying. There has never been consensus against the text. Both Skywriter and StormRider explictly stated they do not see any problem with the text. Their comments are in the top section of the talk page.
If the talk page is examined (and too much sidetracking makes that difficult) it is clear that some editors have been unclear about features of the usage of "God" and "god" in English and about the significant difference between sex and gender.
If you'd like to see work I've done in other articles regarding clarifying the meaning of gender and sex you can look at the Gender article. I feel no need to reproduce all that in Gender of God.
As for the OED on usage of "God", that is especially useful material to address questions raise by Andowney a long time ago. The English language itself is evidence for the masculinity of God in Christianity. If it's not said at the top of the article it is worth saying in the Christianity section. It's a profoundly important line of evidence, with the additional advantage that it clarifies a number of other issues.
I'm afraid, there is a lot of personal animosity expressed in endless repetitions of blatantly untrue statements about me and about discussion at the page, and the processes that are supposed to moderate these things have failed miserably. A Wikequette request by me, returned a verdict that Ilkali was allowed to delete talk page posts!
We are actually only dealing with two difficult editors who find it convenient to defame someone who makes life awkward for them by insisting on sources rather than anonymous opinions shaping an article.
I'm sorry, but until someone actually addresses these basic content issues at the article, it endlessly to falls to me to maintain it. If I delay, my delay is counted as "implicit consensus" for changes. If I act, I am threatened with blocking. I have tried both and will continue to do so until this is resolved.
It's not rocket-science, the OED on the gender of God in usage being shaped by religious views is obviously bang on topic, and something that leads to endless scepticism in talk page posts unless this sourced, academic consensus material is established.
It needs to be remembered that the same editors claiming the OED material is not useful, claimed previously that the definition of God was vitally important, and that they knew what it was--it excluded polytheism. They are happy to define what they think it means--one mediator claimed God is the God of Judaism, as though that settled the matter.
You can't ask people to take you seriously for considering the scope of the meaning of "God" or whether it should be capitalised, and then to take you seriously when you claim sources like the OED on precisely those issues are not relevant. Alastair Haines (talk) 17:37, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
3RR
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. --Alynna (talk) 17:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I hope everything is OK. I am really impressed by the List of Australian butterflies. I have initiated the article about one of the most notable Russian scientifist from the beginning of the 20th century. His life was very intersting and tragic. One of his work was translated into German and it was enough for accusing him as a traitor. Even for me it is difficult to imagine. If this people could born in Germany or Britain his carrier could be comparied with Tischendorf, Tregelles, Scrivener, and Gregory, but unfortunatelly a big talent was not utilized enough. Byzantine culture wa main field of his interest, but he discovered three more freagments of Codex Sinaiticus and brought them to Petersburg (it is strong argument against arguments of Sinai monks that Codex Sinaiticus was lent to Tischendorf). Perhaps I should expand this article on the basis of the article from ru-wiki. His life is really interesting as much as his big talent. If you have a time you can copyedit the article Vladimir N. Beneshevich. You are welcome in every of my article. I see User:AlbertHerring watch my edits. It is good, I am gratiful for him. En-wiki is my place.
In last time I have discovered this F. Kenyon, Handbook to the Textual Criticism of the New Testament (London, 1912). This book can be usefull for the wikipedia articles and not only for the wikipedia articles. This book is really useful. Internet is very helpful. In last two days I initiated five articles on de-wiki, but unfortunatelly writing in German is more difficult for me than in French. I do not know why. French is more similar to English. Perhaps it is the reason. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 02:07, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Lectionaries
"The codex is a lectionary, it contains Lessons from the Gospels: John, Matthew, Luke (Evangelistarium)." - How to put these words in perfect way? I think we need more lectionaries. Russian Caravan, interesting. Now editing on de-wiki is a little easier. Aller Anfang ist schwer. My last article - de:Codex Zakynthius. I see, on de-wiki manuscript's articles are more needed than on fr-wiki. They have more readers. Thanks for showing this counter. Not every wiki use it, but it is no problem. All the best. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 04:06, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
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To Alastair (about Mahakuta inscription): I visited this scerene and architecturally interesting place, Mahakuta, near Badami, last July, and was disappointed to hear that this inscription you mention (602 CE) has been moved to a museum in Bijapur, about 150 kms away. The interesting thing is, apart from the fact that a good pecentage of Badami Chalukya inscriptions are in their native Kannada language and script, most of their Sanskrit inscriptions are written in the Old-Kannada script, including the famous Badami fort inscription of Pulakesi I (543 CE) and the Aihole inscription (636 CE) of Ravi Kirti, court poet of Pulakesi II–an indication how well developed Kannada was as a written language by that time.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 14:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Protagoras: "No-one really knows anything!"
..Socrates: "How do you know?"
Is there an answer? Best to you and yours. Having fun rescuing articles. It beats knocking heads with the elite and the syops. In a way it embraces my goal with WikiKnights. Live Long and Prosper, good sir!--Buster7 (talk) 02:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
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Regarding Badwa, there seems to be some confusion, but I cannot take credit for something that I have not done, I have been wrongly credited to the edit.
You really had a bad month! Sorry to hear about your allowance....seems you were a victim of Phishing scam! I (and many other guys) will be happy to see you now once again back in action. Take care my friend.--Anish (talk) 05:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello Alastair Haines. While exploring the User talk pages of proflic editors, I somehow came across your name. I'm doing a research project at UCSC about Misplaced Pages and I see that you're very active member (with important contributions to several featured articles??). If you have the time, I would really appreciate hearing some of your thoughts and experience about Misplaced Pages. The discussion is already underway at my talk page, it would be great if you could jump in wherever you have a comment.
Whoever you are, and whatever you're talking about, you are acting against a consensus including the testimony of ArbCom members citing hard evidence in my favour. This link establishes grounds for blocking Abtract, whose continuous disruptive and obstructive edits regarding my editing at any page are well known.
I'll kindly ask you to apologize for your uninvited interuption to the work of a valued Wikipedian, whose opportunity to keep promises to assist others, who keep seeking his help, is being blocked by the unilateral and unannounced actions of your good self. Please self correct, or I will have to ask a dispute resolution process to reconsider the wisdom of someone like you having access to tools intended to assist constructive editors, not obstruct them. Perhaps a suspension of your priveleges for a week would be a suitable comparable action.
I do hope you'll introduce yourself, ask for any clarification of whatever might concern you, and apologize. Then, perhaps, a good future working relationship might be the outcome. Good relationships need two people to agree. My willingness is clear, is yours?
Actually Alastair the link is an investigation into the whole situation. And Abtract has been blocked for a month becuase of it. However the consensus reached in that investigation was to impose a sanction (whatever sanction JHunterJ deemed appropriate) on your account. I will have to ask you to retract & reconsider your remarks to JHunterJ here - his action is 'run of the mill' ArbCom enforcement, and you have an outstanding ArbCom ruling against you. Therefore if you infringe (or are seen to infringe) on the specified rulings of ArbCom you will continue to be blocked by sysops. JHunterJ is working in good faith, even if one disagrees with his decision, that is not in question and I would ask you to make an assumption of his good faith. On a personal level I am quite distressed to see you in this situation and it seems to me that you must be unclear on the terms of the ruling that was reached by the ArbCom - is that so? If it is I can see if someone will clarify the terms and how/why you have been seen to infringe upon them? Also due to the nature of Abtract's block I would like you to send me a list of any articles that you've worked on, since the ArbCom ruling, where Abtract was not previously active but where he has become active--Cailil15:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Cailil. Alastair Haines, I'm JHunterJ, one of the admins who was looking into your edits and Abtract's edits at Virginity. The relevant ones are listed in this discussion, and yours violate two of the rulings from the earlier arbitration: you reverted content without discussion, and you did not avoid unnecessary interaction with Abtract. -- JHunterJ (talk) 17:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying things gentlemen. Apologies remain outstanding from both of you, though I expect you will offer them in due course. More of that later (probably much later) as I have little time for this at the moment, and will ultimately be putting it in professional hands if necessary.
I have outlined a good deal of evidence that has been ignored to this point. While it is heartwarming to see certain basics attended to, at this rather belated point, and I thank Hunter for that work, it remains disappointing that he can still misread some details so poorly.
It's a trivial oversight really, but if Hunter checks again, he will see that I was "requested" not required to avoid contact with Abtract, and no sanctions were specified. There is a very good reason for that. The ArbCom member delegated with looking into Abtract v Collectonian finally concluded Abtract was solely responsible for hounding Collectonian, and saw the same pattern in his dealings with me. Abtract admitted this freely only after painstaking and time consuming work by the ArbCom member, who commented on how an earlier admission would have saved a lot of time. Presumably, though I didn't confirm it personally, the intention of asking me to avoid Abtract was to "cover all bases". No one has ever suggested that I've ever pursued him, and the idea was to free me to edit without being hounded by Abtract, imposing sanctions does not liberate a victim.
Check these things. As regards Abtract, it was concluded that I was the victim. No apology, however, was offered either for concluding the original ArbCom without even making any ruling regarding Abtract, nor for publically discussing banning me, because of incidents that involved the personal persuit of Abtract.
In time, I expect apologies for both those matters. I also expect the behaviour of Ryusho, L'Aquatique, Cailil and Yamara to be suitably investigated, and apologies for their errors to be forthcoming, ideally from the individuals themselves; or, failing that, by ArbCom in a general way.
At the moment, gentlemen, the scandalous mishandling of the ArbCom is a blemish at Misplaced Pages, and it needs to be remedied. I've said plenty about it already, I have plenty more evidence to offer on request, but I am deliberately being generous in allowing time for Wiki reps to self-correct here. I am witholding further comment until such time as I will be forced, by a statute of limitations, to put it in the hands of a professional.
Gentlemen, you will remove (and oversight) all slander regarding me posted by Abtract, L'Aquatique and other intemperate participants in the discussions, within 12 months of their posting, or the foundation will be required to answer for your failure to do so. That's not a threat, it's a deadline. Gentlemen, you do not own my reputation, and others are forbidden by "no personal attacks" from pwning it.
The very fact that Hunter has misread an ArbCom ruling offered to protect me from Abtract in such a way that he's blocked me, proves how existing text at Wiki leads people to think less of me than is the truth. That is unacceptable. That will not continue. But I trust you to work it out for yourselves, without me needing to do anything further at all. It should never actually need to be discussed beyond our Wiki family.
I'm sure you catch my drift. Keep working on things, I'm a friendly guy and happy to help. If you do think some action on my part has been unreasonable, let me know, perhaps I'll be able to clarify the sense of it for you.
At the moment, the fact that people publish comments on my editing, without their being any evidence of specifying what they question or asking me to explain shows very poor process, but again, I trust that an internal review should be raising this to light.
You have work a lot of work to do gentlemen, I'll not detain you here longer while that remains to be done.
Sanctions need not be applied to Hunter under the circumstances, it was just an honest mistake.
I do assume the groundless block will be lifted as quickly as it was imposed. I have precious little enough time to fulfil promises already outstanding to people here, to need distractions like these to get in the way.
Let's help people get on with the job, not hinder them shall we?
Alastair please direct any request for oversight to one of the users listed here - as detailed in WP:OVERSIGHT this tool is not accessible to all sysops. If you have grounds for asking for my behaviour to be investigated then please explain the matter to ArbCom or to another sysop. Also, if you want your block re-examined or want to request unblocking please use the unblock template--Cailil00:04, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
No Cailil, I have already asked for your (very mild) and others actions and statements to be considered by ArbCom, last year. The request for arbitration was accepted on the understanding that all involved parties would be investigated. ArbCom then concluded without keeping its promise, evidenced by Abtract, obviously, but not him alone.
The original arbitration is incomplete, which is precisely why it produced wrong findings, already proved by Abtract, but again, not him alone.
I can see no point in making the same request a second time. Either the system self-corrects, or, as I have mentioned, the system needs to be held to account.
I will add a couple more things. The ArbCom was initiated by L'Aquatique responding to your question at Admin incidents—the question was, did Alastair and Tim collude to block Lisa. The answer returned was "no", Lisa was agreed to have edit warred and Tim and I not to have colluded. Hence, it was established that there hadn't been grounds for L'Aquatique's request anyway. It has also been established that she has been too involved to represent an independent party.
I have several times made such points and requested action. I do so above and again here. You have an unhappy customer, who expects action, but I will not jump through hoops to get attention. Responsible people have heard my objections and provided no replies. I will not accept being told to "take a number and wait my turn". Wait I certainly shall, until the deadline requires me to act via a process I can rely on.
I'm pleased and impressed that Hunter seems to be part of a process of reviewing past cases. That's an excellent process if I'm hearing correctly what's been going on. That the process does not include "discussing action with involved parties before taking it" is very poor process. Hunter could have blocked me, but discussed things first. He still has the final say. However, as it stands, it is now clear to all who visit here that the process Hunter represents is not up to standard. I'm alleged to have acted without discussion in talk (which I deny I've ever done, and there is no proof that I have ever done this). However, this very thread proves the block for this alleged infringement has been imposed by doing precisely what it condemns.
The problems with the way the GoG conflict has been handled by Wiki processes are legion and all need to be addressed ... eventually. That work has to be done by others. I have frequently mentioned my availability for consultation, but never has this offer been taken up. From here on in, I will invest my time according to the options that provide best hope of resolution. Essentially that means, hopefully some common sense, or failing that, professional intervention.
I'm willing to answer questions, accept apologies, negotiate settlements. I'm not jumping through any more hoops. You owe me time, not vice versa. You're on trial here, not me. Thankfully, I'm far slower, more thorough, and non-punative.
The issues are actually very clear. Administrators have blocked me for restoring reliable, non-controversial sources like the Oxford, and protesting personal attacks. Those administrators are compromising Wiki foundations, but also happen to be breaking the law of civilized society. A range of comments regarding that by Wikipedians other than myself can be seen at the ridiculous escalation offered by an ArbCom member to ban me!
It simply doesn't need my input to get this cleared up, or if it does, I shall be the one that chooses the next forum and the next panel of judges. Please get it sorted without me.
Alastair do you remember me User:Sanfy who sent you a message for copyediting for Goan Catholics. May the joy and peace of Christmas be with you, all through the year.. Wishing u n yr family season of blessing from heaven above. Merry Christmas Alastair Haines.Sanfy
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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. --Alynna (talk) 17:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
