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Islamist?
should we have islamist here? I think the term is controversial, and some people deny Islamic exists. OTOH, some people deny the moon landing happened.
Use of the term "Ethnic Cleansing"
Ethnic cleansing is exactly what Hamas wants to do to Jews. Their overt hatred and incessant rocket attacks should be classified as such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.43.111.1 (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- WP:NPV; please create new headings at the bottom of the page. --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 13:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Quotes in citations
As per the discussion on Misplaced Pages talk:Citing sources/Archive 19#Quotes in references and per WP:COPYVIO I will remove the quotes within the citations. This will also make the article a bit shorter (especially the references section) and easier to edit.
Cheers, pedrito - talk - 04.07.2008 06:18
However, its founding charter, writings, and many of its public statements reflect an incontrovertible evidence of Anti-zionism.
Was Hamas created in 1976, 1987, 1988?
1976
The Oxford World Encyclopedia: "Hamas¶ The Islamic Resistance Movement founded in 1976 by Sheikh Yassin Ahmed, with the aim of creating an Islamic state in the former Palestine. "
1987:
Misplaced Pages: "Hamas was created in 1987 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi and Mohammad Taha of the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood at the beginning of the First Intifada."
The Corporate Security Professional's Handbook on Terrorism: "Hamas was a splinter group of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and was created as a separate organization in 1987."
1988
http://www.ajc.org/atf/cf/%7B42D75369-D582-4380-8395-D25925B85EAF%7D/HAMAS2006.PDF: Hamas is a creation of the Palestinian branch of the extremist Muslim Brotherhood movement. The organization was created in 1988 by the late Sheikh 11 Ahmad Yassin, the Hamas ideologue and founder who was then a preacher of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood movement in Gaza. In concurrence with his teachings, Yassin and his followers formed Hamas as the “military wing” of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood. 86.68.157.246 (talk) {BG}; edited: 86.68.157.246 (talk) {BG}
Section removed from 2008-2009 Israeli-Gaza conflict
I've put this here, as it was inappropriate to a discussion of International law on the other page.
Indeed, Hamas continues to emphasize and promote the religious ideology that death for Allah is an ideal to be actively pursued. The goal is to convince Palestinians, including women and children, not to fear death but even to face it at the front to protect Hamas fighters. A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council this year expressed pride on Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas) in the fact that women and children are used as human shields in fighting Israel. He described it as part of a "death industry" at which Palestinians excel, and explained that the Palestinians "desire death" with the same intensity that Israelis "desire life."
Edit rationale
I have edited the page for better neutrality and readability, No new material was added, nor data deleted. Hyperbole and claims worded as proven fact have been restructured to highlight the allegation nature of the contending claims. I argue my edits are a marked improvement over the former rather polemic in neutrality and readability and thus should remain.Starstylers (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
- Verily, I concur; marked improvements indeed. Why are we talking like this? --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 13:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Populist?
Is it possible to call Hamas a populist party. They are known for their financial assistance to the poor in Gaza.
Separation of funds
Under Funding it states, "In Hamas, there is a strict separation of funds used for military operations and those used for political, social or other activities." This is the first and only source I have seen that states that funding remains separate. All others such as Council on Foreign Relations and the U.S. Department of Justice state the opposite; that funding does not remain separate. I followed the relevant link in the reference section to find a very weak source. It stated, "According to authoritative sources, however, there is a strict separation in Hamas between funds used for military operations and those used for political, social or other activities." It did not list who these authoritative sources are. I recommend this section be corrected or removed.69.62.163.56 (talk) 04:05, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Terrorism is not subjective
Hamas engages in it, period. Rockets are launched on civilian populations.
Move this to a prominent part of the introduction. One should not have to read the entire introduction only to hear that they are "considered" to be terrorists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.43.111.1 (talk) 21:06, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that Hamas is a terrorist organization, but terrorism IS subjective. Firing weapons on civilians is seen as terrorism to some, and righteous killings to others (and hopefully unforgivable war crimes to all). Hamas considers itself to be fighting for the freedom of its people. Beyond all that, it's simply against WP policy to refer to any individual or group as Terrorists, Extremists, or Freedom Fighters (and this isn't the place to argue it). WP:TERRORIST --Kingoomieiii ♣ Talk 13:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
- "Hamas: Human Shield Death Industry". Al-Aqsa TV (Hamas.
- "Hamas: Human Shield Death Industry". Palestinian Media Watch.
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