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Hoping for help

Hello, Atama. Does this offer still stand? A dispute has been going on regarding multiple attendance claims for Wrestlemania 23 since mid-December, especially on the talk page of WP:PW. Those opposed to any inclusion originally made incorrect appeals to WP:V and WP:RS and WP:CON, and declared the discussion "closed". That argument failed to carry the day; now they wish to control the wording to reflect their continued dislike of the edit. I have remained civil throughout. However, the most recent message from 3bulletproof16 violates so many different WIkipedia guidelines and policies that further discussion seems pointless. The post is just one of a string that have demonstrated indifference, if not contempt, for Misplaced Pages policy.

The editors' behavior is unacceptable. But before I proceed to the Incidents board-- which is unlikely to improve either the editors' responsiveness or the situation-- I'd much rather listen to a cooler head.

I've helped edit Misplaced Pages for almost six years, but I have never previously interacted with any of the other participants in this dispute. However, GaryColemanFan apparently has, because he notes that "Request for Comment has not worked with this group before" I can't speak to the validity or the history of that statement, but after what has occurred, I find his opinion to be plausible.

Any advice or assistance you might be willing to offer would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. 208.120.153.110 (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Chabad on Misplaced Pages arbitration request

Since you have been kind enough to comment at the unresolved WP:COI case at Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/User:Yehoishophot Oliver, you may wish to know that it has now been nominated for arbitration. Feel free to review at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration#Chabad movement editors and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thank you for your input and patience, IZAK (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the notice, thank you very much. -- Atama頭 18:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I dont really have any reason to be comming her but I was wondering. It's been a while since you were promoted to Sysop. In case you did'nt know, I !voted for you :) I was wondering, how's adminship? Do you think that you have been doing a good job at it?--Coldplay Expért 01:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I know, and thank you. I was frazzled for a while after the RfA with real life things and never put together a proper RfA spam but I do appreciate (and was surprised by) all the support I received.

I don't know if I've been doing a good job, I have yet to have anyone accuse me of being a bully, corrupt, or a terrible person in any way. Yet. I'm not sure if that's a good thing, since the cliche is that administrators are always under attack from people. To be honest, I don't feel any different than before I got the mop, all that is different is that when I go patrolling expired proposed deletions I don't just endorse them if I agree, I delete them. I've also made a few blocks (uncontroversial so far) but otherwise I haven't been going wild with the tools. I did have an unplanned semi-wikibreak over the holidays and was slow to reply to a few people who sent me messages, and I'm still trying to catch up.

The one thing I've learned in this short time is that adminship really isn't that big of a deal, just like the oft-repeated mantra. At least it hasn't been for me. I do enjoy being able to take a more active role with proposed deletions, though, and also being able to do a little bit more at the conflict of interest noticeboard (a few really obvious speedy deletions and I think one or two username blocks). -- Atama頭 01:46, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

That's nice to know. At least you have'nt screwed anythnig up! Anyway I just that I'd come by and see how its going. I also came to thanks you for when you stuck up to me during Polargeo's RFA. Thanks.--Coldplay Expért 01:54, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, no problem, I generally call them as I see them and I meant what I said. -- Atama頭 01:55, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil 07:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration case opens/Chabad movement

Hi Atama: Since you have been involved in the topic of Chabad, this is to let you know that an official arbitration case has been opened at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement. You may wish to add your comments for the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Evidence. The ArbCom asks that evidence be submitted within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Workshop. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 05:57, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Keepin Busy? :-)

Hey Atama, a quick question (not about keepin busy). I'm trying to help another editor. He is getting himself in some hot water by going around deleting a certain source that he feels is a spam source. He says an Admin told him it was spam and he feels justified. The source appears in many places. I think he would be willing to hand this over to administration but he doesn't know where to go. How should someone handle something like this? Thanking you in advance,-- — Kbob • Talk • 03:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I see that there is already a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. And the BLP noticeboard, and ANI. Your friend wouldn't happen to be DegenFarang? Forum-shopping, for one, makes them look pretty bad. This feud with 2005 is also not good. Now, the other person is just as much to blame. My suggestion would be simply for DegenFarang to find something else to do. It's almost like the man who goes to a doctor, and says "my leg hurts when I poke it in this spot", and the doctor just says "stop poking that spot".

By the way, the consensus I see forming about that web site from the various noticeboard discussions is that it's situational. It's neither spam nor a completely reliable source. It shouldn't be relied upon for anything and everything poker-related, but at the same time it shouldn't be removed from every single article. It shouldn't be used for BLPs, but for articles discussing general poker topics it might be okay. Any sort of crusade about it one way or the other isn't productive. -- Atama頭 16:50, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Ha! Yes I was inquiring on behalf of DegenFarang, looking to diffuse the situation somehow without taking a side and getting between him and 2005. Personally I think the source is OK, so I am not on Degen's "side" of the issue. But, I hate to see an editor self destruct who, at least some of the time, has good intentions and makes some good contribs to Wiki. Anyway thanks for your comments and insights. We'll see how the whole thing shakes out. Cheers!-- — Kbob • Talk • 17:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

History of Terrorism

I feel the only person acting like they own the article is PBS. As for Haberstr have you read the talk page archive? how issues are constantly raised until he loses, then he abandoned the article for a few months and comes back with the exact same issues, In order to push his personal POV. However if you want proof of vandalism then my biggest issue with version would provide it, he placed those tags in the summer yet dated them as march that is clearly vandalism is it not? Sherzo (talk) 19:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

No. Vandalism doesn't mean "doing something wrong". It means deliberately trying to damage the article. What my biggest concern with your editing of the article is that as you declared to me, your only interest in the article is to revert a particular person's edits to it. You're not interested in improving it, or discussing its content, you just don't want a particular person editing it. That does seem like ownership and possibly harassment. As to misdating the tags, that's factually incorrect, the tags came about in April. -- Atama頭 19:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

ANI notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Pinkadelica 21:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your input

I'm in complete agreement with you. And yes, the article is David Littman (historian). But the templates are still there, though I believe they do not at all belong.

Sorry about raising it on the wrong page. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

You should go back to Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive589#User Bowei Huang/A1DF67 (ongoing). I've left a new comment there.

A1DF67 (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments

Thanks for your comments at the COI noticeboard. Regards, PDCook (talk) 18:20, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm not quite sure what to do about any of the articles you've mentioned yet. I may try to prod a couple, but any that aren't deleted should definitely be cleaned up. -- Atama頭 18:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I already PRODed them a while ago. Both were contested (along with removal of maintenance templates). I listed Alison Davis on AfD. I'm going to look a little harder into Matthew Le Merle to see if it should be listed on AfD as well. Regards, PDCook (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:PLAXICO

I have nominated Misplaced Pages:PLAXICO (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. ╟─Treasury Tag►stannary parliament─╢ 19:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

COI

Thanks for your comments, I have taken the article of my watchlist but just got attracted by a AFD comment for a quick look, as regards the coi tagging, I know we usually use that for when people have a direct connection to the person but I felt that it could also be used if someone has an apparent very strong opinion related to the pov that the article is moving towards then this can also come under the coi umbrella, I wanted to draw extra attention to the big changes that were occurring there and now I feel free of any need to defend the subject, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 19:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem! And I think that Epeefleche might have been just a bit too defensive in the process too, but no harm done by anyone there. -- Atama頭 20:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Defensive or not, he can not deny his edit history. Off2riorob (talk) 20:26, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

You deleted an article due to copyright infringment of material in the public domain

see http://en.wikipedia.org/NOV-205

You claimed it violated copyright of http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00372983

But all US federal government works are in the public domain (common knowledge in IP circles), and that is easily verified by following the copyright link on the page you accused it of copyright infringement upon:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/copyright.html

"Government information at NLM Web sites is in the public domain. Public domain information may be freely distributed and copied"

It seems that you're trying to be helpful, but maybe a basic check of the copyright terms should be in your checking process when you move to delete articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.102.46.21 (talk) 20:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I may have made a mistake here. It says that information was provided by Novelos Therapeutics, but as you said everything there is released into the public domain. I'll restore it, but seeing as the article was created by a now-blocked editor who was promoting the manufacturer and the article itself fails our inclusion guidelines I will see if anyone objects to a proposed deletion. -- Atama頭 20:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Mediation for Longevity Myths

Mediation at Longevity myths

Hello Ryoung122, I just wanted you to know that I've taken the mediation case requested here, and I'm offering my help as a mediator to help resolve issues at the article, specifically whether or not the "myth" classification applies to content in the article. As a mediator, I don't intend to make a decision myself, nor is it my desire to give personal opinions on who is right or wrong, but I'd like to help the two of you come to a mutually-accepted compromise. If you feel that mediation is required at the article, and are interested in participating, please let me know. Thank you. -- Atama頭 20:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Greetings,

Let me start by welcoming you to the discussion. However, I believe that this dispute is one of science versus religion. Science relies on facts and evidence; religion is based on beliefs. As such, I don't hold out a lot of hope for reaching a "mutually-accepted compromise."Ryoung122 01:36, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, and to be honest, the issue seems stale as it looks like there hasn't been any real debate since June of last year. JJB also seems to be on a Wikibreak. I'll wait a few more days in the unlikely chance that he responds and then I'll close the mediation request as "stale". Tanks for your response! -- Atama頭 18:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Community de-Adminship - finalization poll for the CDA proposal

After tolling up the votes in the revision proposals, it emerged that 5.4 had the most support, but elements of that support remained unclear, and various comments throughout the polls needed consideration.

A finalisation poll (intended, if possible, to be one last poll before finalising the CDA proposal) has been run to;

gather opinion on the 'consensus margin' (what percentages, if any, have the most support) and

ascertain whether there is support for a 'two-phase' poll at the eventual RfC (not far off now), where CDA will finally be put to the community. Matt Lewis (talk) 01:03, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

RfA

Well, I was using that as a hypothetical to stress the point. Realistically speaking, I'm not going to close an AfD, but even if for some reason I did, I'd do so in the manner broadly accepted by the community. I was worried that some people would see that hypothetical as "wiggle room", but I figured it was more important to stress that I would adhere to the broader consensus. Also, I was worried that stating flatly that I would never ever ever close an AfD would be used against me, because in the past I've been opposed on the grounds that I'd be a "partial admin", so I thought it wiser to just say: I'm not going to close an AfD, but even if under some weird circumstance I did, I would do so in an uncontroversial manner and nobody would even care. I'm sure you can see how difficult it is to "thread the needle" on this AfD issue—but if you like, I will personally promise you that I won't close an AfD ever ever ever. Everyking (talk) 00:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, I'll think it over and see how the discussion continues, and look at your last RfA, but I'm definitely leaning support. I appreciate your clarification. -- Atama頭 00:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Highgrove Luxury Condominiums

You have previously written me stating that my addition to the Highgrove Luxury Condominiums page, regarding the amenities was written too much like a promotion. I was wondering if you could assist me in creating an "Amenities" section which you would deem unbiased. I am asking because the amenities at Highgrove seem to be one of a kind not only in the town but also in the state. No other buildings provide private elevators to each residence, a pool with retractable ceiling, a private climate-controlled wine cellar designed by Wine Enthusiast, or a screening room. Because they are so unique I believe they do deserve to be represented in the article. Please help if you can. Thanks. Todtanis (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, I will note that for the most part you've done a very good job of finding references for articles and building up content in a positive way. I'd be very happy to help you out, and you make a very good point. The key to getting this info into the article without anyone objecting is to try to word things in a neutral manner, and to reference it. Since you're obviously the expert on these matters, do you happen to know of a reference for this info? If we can verify it with a reliable source, it would definitely warrant inclusion in the article, especially if these are unique features. Thanks for dropping me a line! -- Atama頭 21:31, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks so much for agreeing to help. This Elite Traveler Article provides all of these amenities in a list form, as does this article from The 203 Magazine. This New York Times Article has slightly more detail about the private elevators for the residences, and the elevators for the parking garage both of which are firsts in the state. Todtanis (talk) 22:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

That's perfect. I'll work on rewriting the text you had added before and use those references. Let me see what I can come up with shortly. -- Atama頭 22:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I have added a WP:COI message on User:Todtanis' talk page. I would be happier if he was upfront about his special interest (preferably on his user page) in this article before attempting to recruit us as proxies for this article. All the links being provided are on their official websiteAnnette46 (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. But while the COI is of course something to keep in mind, the guideline itself states, "In a few cases, outside interests coincide with Misplaced Pages’s interests." The specific example used in the guideline is removing unsourced defamatory material. Another example that I've run into is when the article subject is notable and the editor with a COI has knowledge that can help to develop the article, which is the case with Highgrove. If neutral editors can vouch for the way the information is presented and work to keep the language from becoming promotional, the COI itself shouldn't present a problem. That's why the guideline specifically allows for editors with conflicts of interest to participate in talk page discussions. Highgrove has survived an AfD and the community wants the article around, so why not work with Tod to develop it?

Also, it has been a couple of days and I haven't made the changes I had said I would. I still intend to, but I've been at a bit of a loss as to how to include the material without making the article look like an advertisement. I'm still trying to figure that out. -- Atama頭 16:46, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar an idea

An idea I wanted to float by you. I doubt that a topic ban is the answer because the editors disrupting the article will simply resort to sock puppetry. So to stop the disruption:

1. Indefinitely semi-protect the articles to stop IP disruption.
2. Regularly do sock puppet checks on any editors who edit the article.
3. Introduce a red card system, where any mention of nationalism or ad hominem attacks gets a yellow card, then a red card leading to a block. With an escalating scale of blocks, 24 hrs, 48hrs etc.

It would need a referee and you have the respect of all editors to be independent, so I wondered if you would be prepared to countenance taking on the role. Of course everyone would have to agree. Is this a workable suggestion? Justin talk 10:02, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the ideas Justin. These situations are always tough on Misplaced Pages, I think that possibly the only articles that are more contentious than articles about nations are the Global Warming articles. I'll address them one at a time.

1. It's possible, semi-protection will stop both IPs and newly-created accounts from editing the main page. I'll look over the page history to see if I can justify it. Keep in mind that semi-protection won't stop anyone from participating on the talk page. Talk pages can be semi-protected, but that only happens in the most extreme cases because talk pages are generally considered "sanctuaries" where anyone but banned editors can give their input. If you intend for the talk page to be semi-protected that's extremely unlikely.

2. Sockpuppets need to be checked by checkusers, who require evidence before they'll take the time to do it. I don't think there's any chance of an automatic checkuser for anyone who participates, that's totally unprecedented. You have to take it one person at a time, even articles like Lyndon LaRouche that have sockpuppets almost constantly aren't given that sort of treatment.

3 A system like you propose is a sanction, most commonly referred to as "article probation". Certain articles, or types of articles, are given special editing rules such as only allowing one revert per day, or not making ad hominem attacks (as you propose) with generally 1 warning followed by an escalated series of blocks. It works exactly as you propose, but it's beyond the ability of a single person to do. Just like bans, these sanctions can only be put into place by a community consensus or the Arbitration Committee. I'd support your idea, but if I were to act on it I'm sure that any blocks I put into place would be overturned and I'd be warned. Administrators really don't get more authority than other editors, we can enforce rules but can't make them up.

This doesn't mean that nothing can be done. As I said before, the Arbitration Committee can issue sanctions. Gibraltar articles have been through different dispute resolution steps already (including RFC and mediation), and if those steps don't end up eventually settling things down, ArbCom will take the case. Keep in mind that it can take months before they make a decision, and such a decision could result in bad things happening to affected editors (such as topic bans or even being blocked from Misplaced Pages) but it might eventually be the only way to fix things. -- Atama頭 22:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually I had it in mind to be a voluntary code of conduct, where the protagonists involved would agree to the terms in order to avoid arbcom and ultimately the sanctions that will result. Some will be undeserved but I would be prepared to support it. IF we agree is there a problem? Justin talk 22:25, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Everyone can agree to whatever standards you like, and it can be very helpful to do so. But nobody can enforce it at this point, even if the people involved agree to it. A community sanction has to be open to a wider audience, such as WP:AN or WP:ANI. For an example of what a sanction looks like, look at Obama article probation which came about as a result of this discussion. I believe this was the last step in a long, drawn-out dispute between a very large number of editors. I don't know if the Gibraltar articles have reached that point yet, but maybe they have, there have been quite a few ANI discussions already (I think most revolved around Gibnews and Ecemaml in particular). Honestly, I've never proposed a sanction before and judging from what I see at WP:GS they're pretty rare (there are less than 40 of them for all of Misplaced Pages, and some of the sanctions listed are duplicates) so I'm not completely sure how to go about it. Probably just suggest on ANI exactly what you suggested to me and ask the community to approve or disapprove. Again, though, this is somewhat new to me so don't take my word as gold for this process. I'm sure if this isn't really how to do it, someone will correct you without biting your head off. -- Atama頭 23:09, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

I gave it a try and the only comment I've got so far it was the wrong place! Please feel free to add your 2c. Regards, Justin talk 23:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

That's my fault, I should have been more specific. I should have clarified that you should have added that to one of the two existing topics on ANI. I've moved it for you. -- Atama頭 00:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Need Your Help

Dear Atama, you are the third senior I am asking this. How do you suggest I should deal with a user called Rapido and his accusations of personal attacks when out of good faith I want him to understand why he is being problematic. He has misquoted everything I say at http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:AN/I#WP:AOBF_issue_with_IP_address_94.193.135.142 and I am afraid by engaging and defending my self against his accussations, seems to give him more substance to create false views. He will quote this too out of context. Can you help? Suggest what I should do? I'm not very experienced here, and would like to know what I can do? I have tried to make friends in his talk page to resolve our dispute, but no reply. --94.193.135.142 (talk) 21:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

The Original edit war dispute: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:94.193.135.142_reported_by_User:Rapido_.28Result:_24h.29

This has gone to WP:AN/I, altho' the personal attacks and accusations of bad faith have (as you can see) continued. Rapido (talk) 21:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

It will take me some time to look over everything, but I'll dig into this and see what help I can offer. -- Atama頭 21:53, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

RfC: Self-government

Talk:Gibraltar#RfC:_Self-government Guy (Help!) 11:54, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

In an attempt to end the madness, I've made a proposal that I think covers things, take look at the talk page and see if you agree with my wording. --Gibnews (talk) 22:23, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Chapman Waste Disposal

You deleted Chapman Waste Disposal as an expired prod. Another editor recreated the article, but without some of the sources I had added, and someone else nominated it for AfD. Could you please restore the history of the article? - Eastmain (talk • contribs) 07:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Nationality Profiling

Hi, Atama. At this point, I hope you'll be aware that I am really bothered by the constant labeling (concerning nationality) some editors have been enduring for months. I started an AN/I thread a few days ago to request for external help, as the various complaints made to the involved users were being ignored day after day. From what I understood of your comments in the aforesaid noticeboard's thread, you believe as well that to describe one person as citizen of a State which is part in a discussed dispute is very unhelpful (1 and 2 led me to that conclusion, sorry if I misunderstood something).

I turn to you because even when I've previously adressed directly the involved editors, I've agreed to a moratorium under the premise of avoiding further personal attacks, and I've posted a complaint in the AN/I twice already, yet I am still being aggravated with such comments. So I've got nothing left to do. Could you, please, help me? This has nothing to do with the content of any dispute. It's a persistent breach of elementary civility rules. It is very disruptive for any debate as well, in my opinion. Thanks in advance. Cremallera (talk) 12:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't you think this is getting a tadge silly, this is inventing reasons to complain now. Justin talk 12:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Justin. I was going to leave a notice on your talk page, but you've somehow found your way to here. Alright then. Cremallera (talk) 12:56, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Atama. I'm afraid I need an answer, whichever it may be, because at this point I don't really know how I should react to this kind of comments and tone (1, 2). If this attitude is acceptable, then I rest my case. I might have been overly susceptible, but I don't really see the point in volunteering through this perennially. Cheers. Cremallera (talk) 18:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't really see a problem with those diffs. All of those comments are about the content, not the editors. The ad hominem identification of editors as belonging to one nationality or another is what has been causing problems with the Gibraltar articles (and happens on almost every nation article) but talking about nationalities within the content of the article itself is fine. That's all that I see Justin doing in each diff you provided. Saying that Ecemaml is giving a Spanish POV as a Spaniard is wrong, saying that a reference is from a Spaniard may or may not be wrong depending on the circumstances. Civil debate about the content and references is what we want on a discussion page, not debates over what country an editor is from. If it gets to the point where people reject a reference only because it's author is from a particular nation, that's a real problem. But I don't see behavior that extreme from those diffs. -- Atama頭 22:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Alright. Thanks, Atama. Cremallera (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to add, if I did see Justin profiling other editors I'd be very disappointed, as he has been the one pushing to enforce a moratorium on that kind of behavior. At first I thought that's what was in those diffs but I had to give them a second look. I sympathize with the troubles going on, but unfortunately it's still mostly a content dispute and I can't enforce anything without a community sanction or ArbCom ruling (as I've said above in another section on this page, talking to Justin). -- Atama頭 23:08, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

You know I just took this to be reporting to an admin in order to make trouble, yes I know I should assume good faith but I've already had a number of false allegations made already. You might care to drop by and have a look at who is rejecting sources because they're Gibraltarian. Justin talk 00:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

RFA

Hello Atama. You are receiving this notice because you have either supported or posted constructive suggestions during my recent self-nominated RFA, submitted on 18-01-2010. Please do spend a few minutes to read my comments on the nomination, and feel free to respond on the relevant talkpage for any further comments or questions. Thank you for participating. Regards. Rehman 15:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

COI

Hi, I was about to post the following:

I need to ammend my comments. The outing policy is actually pretty specific and stringent, and User:Atama's comments make more sense to me now that I've reviewed that policy again (thanks for bringing that specific policy to our attention, Atama, sorry for my misfire.) Standing by my statement "we should not worry so much about COI/Sock as with the inappropriateness of the edits themselves", and recalling again Atama's statement that "Justice2day is a single-purpose account and is editing in a promotional manner”, User:Justice2day has no reason to celebrate.

May we please replace your last edit with this apology? Thanks.--96.233.40.199 (talk) 21:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

You got it. :) Thanks for your comment. -- Atama頭 21:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I placed my comments on the page with a foreword. If you want to remove your comments and my forward so that my retraction follows my original statment that might make the "conversation flow better" but it's not a big matter. Thanks again, and sorry again for not concentrating on the specifics of the WP:OUT policy. --96.233.40.199 (talk) 21:54, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem, it's actually a fine line to walk sometimes. Talking about an editor's identity is fine if you have on-wiki evidence (the editor admits to it, or signs a post with their real name, or picks a user name that matches the person's name, etc.). If you guess based on an editor's habits, or use off-wiki info to verify (their MySpace page shows they drive a red Ferrari and their user name is RedFerrari) then that goes against our policies and is treated seriously. In this case I don't think people have flaunted the policy, they just were unaware of it or didn't consider it (although in Brangifer's case, that's doubtful, since they link to the policy at the top of their talk page and ask people to not "out" them, ironically enough). -- Atama頭 22:04, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

My RfA

Hello Atama. Since you correctly opposed my RfA based on my limited experience of speedy deletions I have been trying to rectify this. I have made many more edits since then. I would appreciate any feedback and advice that you may have on this issue. I am also requesting advice from SoWhy, an editor with whom I have had some contact in the past. Polargeo (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhh

Atama, could you please explain to Imalbornoz, the difference between correcting an error and refactoring an RFC. He has chosen to completely refactor the RFC proposal, whenever I try to correct it he edit wars to return it. The RFC question is now completely different from that originally proposed. When I in good faith tried to explain this to him, well see here "cachondo mental"! means funny guy, ie a piss taker, clearly he isn't taking the comments in good faith. This is just getting ridiculous. Justin talk 21:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Justin, you shouldn't have corrected anything in the RfC in the first place. An RfC on a talk page is essentially a statement or post from an editor. It's much like any other comment from an editor; after all, the person who creates the RfC is supposed to sign it to mark it as their own words. Per WP:TPO, you should not edit other editors' comments except in specific circumstances as listed in the guideline. Fixing what you perceive as a factual inaccuracy is not allowed, even fixing a typo from another editor's comment isn't allowed. If you disagree with something that Imalbornoz stated in the RfC, either state your objection in the discussion of the RfC or ask Imalbornoz to fix it himself, and even if he fixes it, he should do so with a strikethrough and not totally remove it. Otherwise it can potentially cause confusion if anyone who has already responded to the RfC has referred to the portion of text that was corrected. Keep in mind that changing another editor's message is a potentially blockable offense, though in this case I'm sure you didn't realize that. -- Atama頭 23:41, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

About the only thing you should really be touching at all is links. If they make a spelling error, that's their problem, but fixing links is allowed (provided you're actually fixing the link, of course). HalfShadow 23:43, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

OK I think you may have misunderstood, Guy missed one of the links that were used in the edit so I added it. He also included a link that wasn't so I struck through it. In both cases I attached a note saying I'd done it. If I've crossed a line it was inadvertent and out of ignorance but in my defence I didn't change the RFC. Imalbornoz has been totally refactored the RFC, adding his own comments and opinions. You try and tell him anything and he immediately assumes bad faith and accuses me of doing the same thing when I haven't and he has done so since the day he joined. Justin talk 08:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

As an aside, I would fix it back to the way it was but I just know based on past interactions with him, he'll edit war to turn it back and if I try and explain where and what I did wrong it'll be taken the wrong way. Yes I know you're going to say I should assume good faith but I know he won't. Justin talk 09:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I see... Guy was the one who created the RfC, not Imalbornoz. I should have known that. What I said still applies, but I'll have to leave the same message for Imalbornoz. Thanks for pointing that out. -- Atama頭 17:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry

I can only say I'm sorry, I didn't know it was wrong (I saw it being done so I thought it was OK), and please tell me if I can do anything to compensate what I've done. Thank you for the informal warning. -- Imalbornoz (talk) 18:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I guess since the "cat's out of the bag" the best thing to do is just leave it alone. The more anyone messes with the RfC, either to make further changes or to change it back, the worse it becomes. To be fair there really should be a reminder at WP:RFC#Suggestions for responding that people should not refactor RfCs. I'll start a discussion on the talk page, and if nobody objects I'll add that language myself. I am sure that both you and Justin did everything in good faith, and I'm definitely not concerned about what you did. -- Atama頭 18:58, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Award of a Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		The Barnstar of Diligence is hereby awarded for extraordinary scrutiny, precision, and community service, especially in regard to mediation. Awarded by PhilKnight (talk) 18:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I really appreciate it. :) -- Atama頭 06:59, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

RFA

I'm not going to bother with RFA again. Joe Chill (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

I can't argue with you. At my RFA, the support percentage never dropped below 89%, well above the discretionary area for success. And yet I was anxious all week, worried that at any moment a bunch of people would oppose me and kill it. Even though I didn't really care all that much about adminship, I wasn't sure if I really wanted to be an admin and had plenty of stuff to do on Misplaced Pages without having the tools. Now that I have them, I'm glad I went through with it because being able to see deleted contributions helps a ton at WP:COIN where I hang out, as well as being able to block obvious spammers reported there, and now I can delete pages at PROD rather than just evaluate them. I personally think you'd do well as an admin, but that's because you already do plenty as a non-admin. -- Atama頭 23:33, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Mentorship

There is no easy conjunction in our edit histories which explains my contacting you. I reach out, in part, because of the nuanced reasoning which informed your comments here. In the months since I created Teachable moment, the topic has taken on an unanticipated personal relevance. I wonder if you might consider joining other co-mentors in a mentorship committee for me?

Perhaps you might consider taking a look at an old edit at Misplaced Pages:Mentorship#Unintended consequences? In the search for a mentor deemed acceptable by ArbCom, I cite this as a plausible context for discussing what I have in mind.

I am sending you an e-mail as well. Please contact me by e-mail or on my talk page --Tenmei (talk) 04:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks regarding ANI

Though I didn't especially merit any support, I'd just like to thank you for your cogent comments in the ANI dealing with me. And I got the trout. -- spin 05:18, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I saw a good recipe for grilled trout with parsley, garlic, rosemary, and basil that would be particularly tasty. No worries, I thought people were treating you unfairly for what was an acknowledged mistake. -- Atama頭 17:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler

Hi, Atama. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/JWASM, a discussion in which you participated, was closed as redirect to Open Watcom Assembler. Open Watcom Assembler has now been nominated for deletion due to notability concerns. If you would like to participate in the discussion, please comment at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 09:15, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Incivility blocks

Hey Atama, just letting you know that we finally have some proposed text for the incivility policy proposal, which can be found here. I was wondering if you would be interested in commenting on this? We are looking for some feedback. Incidentally, I totally agree with your comments about the difficulty of balancing the conflicting needs of editors who produce quality work but are irrascible contributors and those editors who aren't so skilled but are polite and inoffensive, who may get upset by the more actions of the more skilled editors. Not an easy thing to get right I'm afraid :( Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) 14:19, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's fantastic. There's a lot to read over but I'm glad you're doing this and it's getting support. I'll give my input once I sift through everything. Thanks for the note! -- Atama頭 17:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler

You're under no obligation to respond of course, but I've replied to you in the course of this discussion. A response may be helpful. JBsupreme (talk) 21:38, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey Atama-san, thanks for sharing your experience. Its strange and unsettling to be formally accused of doing something you would never even think of. I expect the matter to be cleared up shortly. Meanwhile, I appreciate your vote of confidence and reassurance. Cheers!-- — Kbob • Talk • 17:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I just didn't want you worrying unnecessarily. It's not the accusation that matters, it's the result. -- Atama頭 17:39, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:Plaxico

Misplaced Pages:Plaxico, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Plaxico (2nd nomination) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Misplaced Pages:Plaxico during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Unit Anode 19:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Protected your user page

Just to inform you I have protected your user page for 24 hours to try put off the block-evading IPs who continually vandalise it. Feel free to undo prior to the expiry as you see fit. Hope this helps, --Taelus (talk) 20:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I think 24 hours will probably be sufficient. I guess I wouldn't be much of an admin if I wasn't under attack from someone every once in awhile. -- Atama頭 21:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Stern Talking To From Jimbo

I've posted on Jimbo's talk page regarding:

Misplaced Pages does not exist to make people feel bad - shame on you! How would you like if they had a Misplaced Pages policy using your name regarding something dumb you had done?144.189.100.25 (talk) 00:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

You're not Jimbo, and I'm not a celebrity serving jail time for shooting myself with an illegal handgun. Your ire should be directed toward the media and the Misplaced Pages community who have made the meme popular. -- Atama頭 00:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

IP editor - It's up for MFD already. No need to complain about it here or at Jimbo's page. 7 00:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Noindex

Thanks for being open minded about all of this. On a related issue, I see that you already have the noindex template in there but it doesn't appear to be working because googling the effect has this essay as #1 search result. I manually added the magic word as well (I know, repetitively redundant) - but if you have any other ideas to keep it out of the headlines until the MFD is decided please let me know. Thanks. 7 02:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm not that savvy about getting things removed from search engines. I believe that it isn't being indexed, but Google search results are cached so it doesn't have an immediate effect. The noindex template was only put up after the MFD was opened. I'm going to try to get the cache cleared using Google's webmaster tools, we'll see if it works. -- Atama頭 16:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

An update: I submitted the request, saying that the page has been blocked from indexing already using metatags, and the result was...

Pending removal requests will be processed as soon as possible. Successful webpage removal requests will show a status of "Removed" and will be excluded from Google search results for 90 days. Successful SafeSearch removals will be excluded from Google SafeSearch results entirely. If your request is denied, click on the "Learn more" link for detailed information about why the removal was unsuccessful.

So we'll see! -- Atama頭 16:44, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. 7 02:33, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

An update, with good and bad news (if anyone is checking). If you look at Google, the essay no longer appears. But the talk page still does. What this tells me is that a noindex template takes a long time to remove a page from Google's cache, but requesting removal is effective. I assume the talk page will vanish eventually, but to be safe I'll try to do the same thing to the talk page that I did to the main page. I would have done this before but I didn't know that it was necessary. -- Atama頭 21:50, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

(Final?) Update: The talk page doesn't appear either on a Google search. Googling "Plaxico Effect" doesn't bring up any Misplaced Pages pages. -- Atama頭 18:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiLove

Hello, Atama. I placed a heart on your user page as a way to spread the WikiLove. If you don't want the heart on your user page, feel free to remove it. Thank you. -NerdyScienceDude :) (✉ click to talk • my edits) 03:34, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it! Especially with Valentine's Day coming up. :) -- Atama頭 16:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Essay

If you are concerned that your essay could get deleted, you could probably move it to your userspace and rewrite it to comply with the BLP policy. -NerdyScienceDude :) (✉ click to talk • my edits) 04:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I actually have an alternative at User:Atama/Sandbox, which doesn't even mention Plaxico's name or relate to him in any way. I linked to that in the MFD, and gave that as an alternative. I don't see more than one person supporting that change, however, so it's probably a moot point. If the MFD ends with a "delete" result, as I expect it will, I'll just let it stay deleted (and I'll delete the sandbox page as well). I honestly don't really mind if people want it gone, actually the last thing I want is to write an essay that the community dislikes, so I'm happy to see it deleted if that's what people want. As I said before, my whole goal in creating the essay was a convenience for people who were linking to a (then) non-existent Misplaced Pages space entry "WP:PLAXICO". I personally am not a huge fan of the meme, or at least its use on Misplaced Pages, because I don't think it's wholly accurate. When people invoke "Plaxico", they do so when an editor's complaint actually gets themselves in trouble, but Burress not only didn't complain to the police, he actually turned himself in peacefully when he saw that he was wanted. So I honestly don't take any of this essay business personally. -- Atama頭 16:42, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

IP vandal

You have a detractor, it seems--look at the history of User:Atama/User/Barnstar, User:Atama/User/Box, and User:Atama/User/Stuff. Drmies (talk) 06:00, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Does that block evader ever stop? If you spot an IP in the 123.27 range making such edits to Atama's pages or Joe Chill's pages, please report them to any admin, as they are evading their block and thus can be reblocked quickly. --Taelus (talk) 08:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks folks, I appreciate the help. This is new for me, I've never had someone attacking me like this. I guess it all comes with the territory, huh? :) -- Atama頭 16:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

See the quote from User:Kelapstick on my user page...welcome to the club! Drmies (talk) 18:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Gibraltar again

I responded to your RfC on this page. I have gone through a fairly comprehensive review of the arguments for and against the inclusion of one specific phrase and think it fair to say that I have achieved practically no progress towards any consensus. If anything positions have hardened.

I feel that we need an administrator to look at the current process and comment/act as required. If you can either intervene once more, or suggest another suitable administrator to leap into the lion's den, this may be helpful. This diff may be relevant. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Richard Keatinge (talk) 16:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

You may note the allegation "There are still editors who object to any mention of San Roque on grounds which I find not relevant to Misplaced Pages." which happens to be a) untrue and b) not objective or even handed, which Richard has declined to refactor on request. Justin talk 16:24, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Justin, perhaps we could continue this discussion on my user page, or on the talk page for Gibraltar? Richard Keatinge (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Just a note, I've followed your conversation and it seems reasonable from both sides; Richard may have misunderstood Justin's views, with Justin trying to clarify. -- Atama頭 21:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Could you please look at Gibraltar again, that edit is being imposed on the article, there has been edit warring by a tag team to impose it. Not one person has actually addressed the argument, it appears that its a case of shut up there are more of us. Is the way that consensus is achieved? Justin talk 21:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Skillstrain

You might want to take a look at what I've done here and see if you still vote delete. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 02:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Tree shaping COI accusations a flyin'

Hi Atama, I found you to be quite helpful at level-headed approaches to COI issues. Could you take a peek at Tree shaping? Two, or more, editors are accusing each other of COI and it's spilled over to a post at WP:CNB which I tried to answer simply from a content approach. However, there does seem to be an already heated up brew bubbling at the article and talkpage. Any help appreciated, I didn't want to just send them to COIN or ANI but if that's best then so be it. -- Banjeboi 12:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll look, there's a report at COIN already but I haven't addressed it yet. Thanks for the note, I'll see if there's anything I can do to help. -- Atama頭 17:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I didn't see anything at COIN, am I missing it? In any case Silktork has stepped in a bit so I'll try to get all concerned to use the article talkpage unless intervention is needed. -- Banjeboi 17:16, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind. It was archived already. -- Banjeboi 17:22, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

There is currently a mediation request for that article, I'm taking the case and I'll see if mediation can help solve the problem. -- Atama頭 21:29, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow, and I thought they were doing better! Good luck and let me know if you'd like any assistance. -- Banjeboi 19:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Protected your user page and subpages for 1 week

That block evader won't give up, so I protected your user page and three subpages for a week as those are the targets each time they gets a new IP. Hopefully this will convince them to find something else to do with their time. Hope this helps, --Taelus (talk) 13:24, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

FYI: Hutch48

Has been indef blocked. Since then an anonymous Australian IP has been trolling the talk page of Open Watcom Assembler and vandalizing my user page. Pcap ping 09:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I've semi-protected your user page for 3 days, hopefully that's enough to convince him to buzz off. -- Atama頭 11:25, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Pcap ping 11:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Bioidentical hormone replacement therapy mediation

Hello,

I really don't know what to tell you about the BHRT page - the two other disputants, Hillinpa and Riverpa, have not edited in a while (more than a month for the former, and a couple weeks for the latter). Chances are if they return to the BHRT page they will still disagree with the current content, but right now there isn't an active dispute. User:Literaturegeek has been contributing to the content and talk page, which may be responsible for the decline in active disagreements, but without an explicit statement from the other editors I can't tell you what is wrong with the page or how it should be changed. Thanks for the offer and would certainly welcome any suggestions you might have about how to proceed. WLU (t) (c) Misplaced Pages's rules:/_complex 13:24, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, I thought much the same thing actually when I saw that the editors hadn't edited in awhile (more than a month for Hillinpa) but I felt it was better to check anyway. I'll mark the mediation request as stale if I don't hear anything soon from either of them. -- Atama頭 21:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Participation at my RfA

Thank you for taking the time to weigh in on my RfA. It was successful, in that the community's wish not to grant me the tools at this time was honored. I'm taking all the comments as constructive feedback and hope to become more valuable to the project as a result; I've also discovered several new areas in which to work. Because debating the merits of a candidate can be taxing on the heart and brain, I offer this kitten as a low-allergen, low-stress token of my appreciation. --otherl left 14:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment

Atama. I have great respect for your judgement and comments so I am commenting here. I am linking you to the TM sock puppet case so you can if you have the interest look at the situation yourself. . For some reason the IPs from the small town of Fairfield Iowa and the IPs from the university are similar. Neither is the TM organization although the university has associations with organization. I am neither a sock puppet nor a meat puppet. Probably the fact that I am telling you this is a justifiable frustration with information that is not accurate. Anyway I wanted to clarify comments made on the COI page.(olive (talk) 22:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC))

There still have been no checkuser results yet. Keep in mind that a CU can do more than simply see what IP address an editor used, they can also see information like what computer (MAC address I assume) and what browser an editor uses. If it can be found that editors are sharing a computer, that is almost a clincher that they are sock or meatpuppets. As to IP similarity, that is less clear as you said. It has already been suggested that the case be brought to the Arbitration Committee, and I think that would be a good idea, to settle things. Keep in mind that ArbCom may also bring sanctions against anti-TM editors also, so it might not be a bad thing for you and others who support TM. -- Atama頭 23:34, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Had I known you were keeping up with the situation I probably wouldn't have commented here seeming to bias you in anyway. But thanks for your measured, kind, and objective response to my somewhat emotional comments. There hasn't been much of that in my Misplaced Pages dealings lately. And yes, arbitration will be a good thing. At least editors there have a chance to fairly defend themselves. (olive (talk) 23:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC))

No worries, it's not like I've participated a lot in the discussion so I'm not surprised you didn't know I've been following it. I hope that the issue can be settled properly before long, I know that this dispute has been ongoing for a long time and I'd like to see people get back to improving the articles. -- Atama頭 23:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

mike734

Atama, not sure how/where to respond to you. Thank you for your support. Mike Mike734 (talk) 01:47, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Either place is fine, and you're quite welcome. -- Atama頭 01:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Farewell

Anyway I have decided to quit wikipedia, I just can't work for this project anymore. It stopped being fun a long time ago. Before I went I wanted to say thank you to a few people who genuinely tried to be even handed. Cheers. Justin talk 15:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, but gone less than 24 hrs and dragged back as I see Red Hat is using AN/I to settle old scores with Gibnews. Gibnews is not Gibraltarian and Red Hat is well aware of that, he made an SPI check before. Gibraltarian still edits using IP addresses, this is a clear case of working the system to settle old scores. Gibnews might have the computer skills to rig an IP proxy, Gibraltarian was too stupid to do it and Red Hat knows that. Gibnews and Red Hat have a long and acrimonius history, Red Hat is simply working the system and is more adroit at the politics. I know you're fair minded, please could you do something about it. Justin talk 09:34, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

As I said to you on your talk page (which you reverted, so I'll post here instead), this and this are more than enough to get you a block. Please note that I have refrained from replying to your comments at WP:ANI. I do not "settle scores". Gibnews has clearly flouted the rules in a major way. All he had to do was retract his legal threats and he could continue editing, yet he has not chosen to do so. The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick 10:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to post those messages at AN/I, when you do please do include the implicit threat of seeking a block of my account. People who know me and have worked with me, know those comments are out of character. You are settling old scores, you're just better at working the system. Justin talk 11:20, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Those very offensive comments ("fascist irredentist dreams", "a fascist racist agenda" and -especially- "I don't see any difference between you and that Fascist fuckwit") were directed at me (this is not the first time: he has repeatedly blanked or edited my comments in article talk pages , accused me of sock- and meat-puppetry , accused me and other editors of disruptive editing MANY times, vandalised my talk page...) I admit I have discussed with him in a charged atmosphere, but always trying to respect him. In spite of that, from his continuing attitude towards me and from his comments, he seems to think that I am advancing some kind of nationalist agenda or something very bizarre like that.

After his last attack, I decided not to take any action in the hope that Justin would take a break and come back to WP with a more balanced attitude (and asked him to do so, I mean I asked him to come back and to do so with a more balanced attitude, he had already announced he was leaving). But not only he has not taken a wikibreak but is now asking to block other editors with the same aggresive attitude. I don't know what to do, Atama. Should I go to AN/I? Should I ask someone else to tell him something? (he has forbidden me from his talk page). -- Imalbornoz (talk) 12:10, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Still trying to get me blocked Imalbornoz, that'll make your 5th or is it 6th attempt? You go to AN/I again if you like but as soon as Gibnews is unblocked and can defend himself I'm outta here. As someone commented on my page your agenda is clear and chickens come home to roost eventually. Justin talk 12:27, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Justin, calm down. I have not once tried to get you blocked (any diffs?). But now I will probably try to do something about your attitude. It's getting worse and worse. Justin, please, talk to me in my page: it's more effective and Atama will have a more peaceful talkpage (myself, I apologize; but I can't answer in Justin's page) -- Imalbornoz (talk) 13:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

An Aside

I've explained why I'm quitting and made an apology for the remarks I made here. I think I've also figured out what I did wrong with wikibreak enforcer and will set it on long term block so I can make a clean break. There is a lot wrong on the Gibraltar article and soemthing really needs to be done about it. I don't think I'm too wrong about people usually and I kind of get the impression you're a person with the integrity to do something about it. Apologies for cluttering up your talk page. Farewell. If you ever wish to get in touch, my email address is enabled. Justin talk 16:39, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your kind words, and honestly if Misplaced Pages is getting you riled up a break is a good idea. Really, this place isn't worth it. I hope you come back someday, when the mood strikes you. If you do, maybe you could think about working on articles that aren't prone to a ton of drama? (If that exists.) Take care of yourself Justin. -- Atama頭 16:47, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your RfA Participation

Atama - Thanks for your participation in my recent successful RfA. Although you did not express confidence or trust in me, the community did and as you are an equal part of that community, deFacto your confidence and trust in me is much appreciated. As a new admin I will try hard to keep from wading in too deep over the tops of my waders, nor shall I let the Buffalo intimidate me.--Mike Cline (talk) 10:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Zengzhi Li

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Your VOTE 2 vote at CDA

Hi Atama,

Firstly, apologies for this long message! I may need a response from you directly underneath it, per (3) below.

You are receiving this message as you voted in VOTE 2 at the recent Community de-Adminship 'Proposal Finalization' Poll. Unfortunately, there is a hitch regarding the "none" vote that can theoretically affect all votes.

1) Background of VOTE 2:

In a working example of CDA; ater the 'discussion and polling phase' is over, if the "rule of thumb" baseline percentage for Support votes has been reached, the bureaucrats can start to decide whether to desysop an admin, based in part on the evidence of the prior debate. This 'baseline' has now been slightly-adjusted to 65% (from 70%) per VOTE 1. VOTE 2 was asking if there is a ballpark area where the community consensus is so strong, that the bureaucrats should consider desysopping 'automatically'. This 'threshold' was set at 80%, and could change pending agreement on the VOTE 2 results.

This was VOTE 2;

Do you prefer a 'desysop threshold' of 80% or 90%, or having none at all?

As a "rule of thumb", the Bureaucrats will automatically de-sysop the Administrator standing under CDA if the percentage reaches this 'threshold'. Currently it is 80% (per proposal 5.4).

Please vote "80" or "90", or "None", giving a second preference if you have one.

This is the VOTE 2 question without any ambiguity;

Do you prefer a "rule of thumb" 'auto-desysop' percentage of 80%, 90%, or "none"?

Where "none" means that there is no need for a point where the bureaucrats can automatically desysop.

Please vote "80" or "90", or "None", giving a second preference if you have one.

2) What was wrong with VOTE 2?

Since the poll, it has been suggested that ambiguity in the term "none at all" could have affected some of the votes. Consequently there has been no consensus over what percentage to settle on, or how to create a new compromise percentage. The poll results are summarised here.

3) HOW TO CLARIFY YOUR VOTE:

Directly below this querying message, please can you;

Clarify what you meant if you voted "none".

In cases where the question was genuinely misunderstood, change your initial vote if you wish to (please explain the ambiguity, and don't forget to leave a second choice if you have one).

Please do nothing if you interpreted the question correctly (or just confirm this if you wish), as this query cannot be a new vote.

I realise that many of you clarified your meaning after your initial vote, but the only realistic way to move forward is to be as inclusive as possible in this vote query. I will copy any responses from this talk page and place them at CDA Summaries for analysis. Sorry for the inconvenience,

Matt Lewis (talk) 23:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

For Vote 2, I !voted for a 90% upper threshold. I felt that if 90% or more of the participants felt that the admin deserved to have the bit removed at the end of the CDA discussion period, that it should count as an automatic desysop. I apologize if I was too ambiguous in my original comment at the poll. -- Atama頭 20:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Typo

Hi Atama - Think you meant RFA instead of AFD here. Too many acronyms and abbreviations. ;) 7 00:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Yup, too many acronyms. Le sigh. It's even archived now so I can't fix my boneheadedness. Oh well, thanks for pointing it out, I'll keep it in mind in the future to avoid other slips. :) -- Atama頭 19:56, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your comment on WP:AN/I

So there's 57 states in the US of A? Counting Hawaii & Canada gets us to 51, so what are the other six? Puerto Rico, Iraq, Israel, East Dakota, Upstate New York, & Hollywood? -- llywrch (talk) 06:24, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

It was a joke, referring to this. :) -- Atama頭 21:00, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I knew you were joking -- although I didn't catch the allusion. My comment above was just an attempt to keep the joke going. (Although it might earn us some goodwill if we signed an agreement with the citizens of Iraq that they could vote in any future presidential election when a member of the Bush family was a candidate. ;-) -- llywrch (talk) 22:36, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi. I've tried to address some of the concerns you raised on my RfA. If you get the time to have a look at what I've said then I'd be grateful. Wikiwoohoo (talk) 15:04, 23 February 2010 (UTC)