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An Award!

User:QwerpQwertus/The Puzzle Piece Award

Khojaly Massacre

The protection of the page on the version advocated by some does not accord to the requested consensus by the same protection. Neither does it encourage those users to be more constructive. The request for edit was not even requesting the deletion of the claim. It was a request to input that the issue is being discussed. What were the bases for rejection considering this? Aregakn (talk) 04:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I declined it because {{editprotected}} is only for uncontroversial requests or those that have consensus because bold, revert, discuss is a lot more difficult when only admins can edit the page. The protection expires tomorrow anyway, so you can make the edit yourself. Sorry, 16:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Understood. But I thought marking that the sentence (for which the edit-wars started and the page was protected) is disputed and link it to the discussion is an uncontraversial change, because it just projected the reality :). Regards, Aregakn (talk) 12:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC) Aregakn (talk) 12:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Pst... can you keep an eye on the article? it is again becoming a battle-ground :(. Aregakn (talk) 21:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll add it to my watchlist. Anything in particular I should be looking for or just the usual edit warring? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The edit warring in general. There's an editor that doesn't want to edit after discussions and compromise and he jumped into it just at once after the block on the article was lifted. He did the same thing on Karabakh Khanate Article. I remember the WP:TE speaks of this type of behavior. There's also a big Arbitration case against a large group of editors conducting their actions on Misplaced Pages and harassing people in real life now taking place in Ru.WP ru:Википедия:Заявки на арбитраж/Азербайджанский список рассылки where the editors involved in these and other articles in En.WP are participating. Don't know if it's relevant. Aregakn (talk) 13:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, well if anybody specifically is edit warring or generally causing trouble or making a nuisance of themselves on en.wiki, I might be able to do something, but unfortunately what happens on ru.wiki will have to be dealt with by the admins there. I'm keeping an eye on things there, though, don't worry. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:46, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they do have to deal with that themselves, but if the editors are conspiring and agreeing on every move (on en.wiki too) it should be brought up here too, right? Maybe I should file an Arbitration on en.wiki soon oo. Thanks for watching! Aregakn (talk) 19:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I did some poking around and it looks like it's already subject to discretionary sanctions from a previous arbitration case, so if there's anyone being particularly disruptive, I can take action as an uninvolved admin. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:55, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Grandmaster, Brandmeister and Parishan are the most active. But they have calmed down due to these activities now. I think they're busy with the case at the moment.

From their conversations it is obvious they have a connection to the Azeri media and press as well and they are putting recruiting announcements on them periodically calling for edit-warring in Misplaced Pages. As a result there's now this whole thing taking place. I have invited the attention of Admins to it on ANI once or twice.

So now we have a group of 26 members under arbitratin. And these are yet the ones that could have been spotted. Also it's a closed circle, in a way, and I wonder how many miscellaneous editors we have of this type. Aregakn (talk) 07:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Klemens Murańka

Hello HJ Mitchell, could you post a copy of a recently deleted article to my sub-page? Yes, there is always one lone voice out there never satisfied :-). The article Klemens Murańka was recently deleted through consensus at a AFD, as shown by the previous supplied link. I believe, in the near future, we will be able to bring this piece up to the standards required under notability guidelines. Thanks for your help. Regards. ShoesssS 18:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Certainly, give me a moment. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

May I help you? KzKrann (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks appreciate the quick respone....and of course....all help is welcome....This is Misplaced Pages :-). ShoesssS 02:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

IP Vandal

Thank you for blocking User:88.26.26.159 User:80.31.248.45 User:83.39.9.248 User:79.146.111.65 User:83.59.244.54. He is quite persistent. Can you do more please? Eg semi protect Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's such a great idea considering he's not causing that much disruption and there are constructive IP edits to that article (it's actually on my watchlist and I've not seen very much of this guy). I can give you rollback if you like to make reverting him easier, but for now I think we should go with revert, block, ignore. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:16, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I have rollback thank you. I don't know how to slap him with an "only warning" sticker. Whenever I see your name I think RJ Mitchell of Spitfire fame. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Not according to my checks (yes, I stalk everyone who posts here!). You have autoreviewer, but not rollback. I can rectify that in three clicks if you want. As to "only warnings", if he's just IP hopping, there's probably not much point. If he get really annoying, I'll plat whack-a-mole with a series of short blocks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh. Then yes please. Kittybrewster ☎ 14:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Done. Just remember, vandalism only, no edit warring, etc etc. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

IRC

Please pop in #wikinews. Need to talk with you. --Diego Grez 16:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Akkadian Empire

Thank you for your assistance on this.Ploversegg (talk) 16:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

File:DF-ST-98-00046 cropped.JPEG

Please be more careful when deleting image files featured (or will be featured) on Main Page. This cropped image has been uploaded to English Misplaced Pages only, so you shouldn't use the {{C-uploaded}} tag, nor should you delete it, since it is likely to be used for OTD next year as well. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough, but surely it makes more sense to restore it next year if it's used. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Because? It doesn't do any harm to leave it without deleting it, but it certainly does harm if we forget to restore it next year. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sesame Street

Sorry about that. Just another *facepalm* moment. Perhaps I should get a bit more sleep. :)Connormah (talk | contribs) 17:27, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries! Looks like there is vandalism there but not recently enough for protection to do much good. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:29, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it. Connormah (talk | contribs) 17:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

AL GA

Hi HJ, just checking in. Was there something else that needed to be done that I missed before you go over the article for GA review? Since last I wrote you, the overlinks were removed and most of the unreliable sources were replaced. There's only one {{fv}} tag left, and I honestly can't find any source for it (Canon Singapore). I've asked for help on the talk page, but little to no response. So we can either leave it or remove it, let me know what you think. Or maybe it won't affect the GA at all. – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 18:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look in a bit. Obviously it would be nice if we could find a proper source, but if there isn't one available and the information attached to the tag isn't essential, I'd suggest removing it- I can't pass the GAN until it's resolved :(. Anyway, I'll be over there in a bit to take a look. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:52, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh! Had I known it would stall the GA, I would've removed the info. I'll do so now. – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 22:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, info was removed. Although I've no doubt it was added in good faith a long time ago, I spent quite a bit of time, several days ago, looking for a reference, including Google's news archives, and was not able to dig up any information that supported the phrase tagged {{fv}}, so it's now removed. I don't see any other tags, AL doesn't seem to have any hidden categories that make me nervous, several people have trimmed the lede down, and the article has actually remained stable for the most part in the last couple of days; so the article should be 100% ready for your review. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 22:51, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll take my admin hat off and put my GA reviewer hat on :). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:57, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:When

Hi HJ Mitchell, would you mind having a look at Template talk:When? In my opinion the recent change doesn't make sense and breaks numerous existing uses of the template.

Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied at Template talk:When#Edit. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reaction!

Regards, HaeB (talk) 19:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikinews - Turkey bans Google

i edited and developed the article regarding your comments. i hope you have time to re-check the article.

--78.162.177.220 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion

Just asking for your honest POV on this. Thanks.--White Shadows 20:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

HJ Mitchell - Thank for your participation and support in my RfA.

I can honestly say that your comments and your trust in me are greatly appreciated.

Please let me know if you ever have any suggestions for me as an editor, or comments based on my admin actions.

Thank you!  7  23:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

support

The last option that you mentioned in the RFC lacks your support/oppose. Although I AGF, it appears to be a joke. Perhaps you could add your support to it? Suomi Finland 2009 (talk) 23:11, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Mail?

Thanks for the user block re Karel Capek and the unblock at The Sydney Morning Herald. Thought you may have been going for an early night 'today' (but you're back!). I have had a late night myself. Did you get my mail? Cuppa?

Someone has poured you tea.

220.101.28.25 (talk) 00:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, mail. I haven't seen it- another reason you should get an account- then you can email me via WP's system (and I can confirm you and generally make editing so much easier for you)! I'll check all my various email addresses in case it got lost somewhere! As to the SMH, you're welcome. It had been protected for a while, so I thought unprotection was worth a try. I'm always on around this time- 00:00UTC is switchover time on the Main Page so someone has to check that the TFA is move protected, check the balance of the columns, make sure all the images are protected and have their licensing info! It's not that easy being an admin! Thanks for the cuppa, though (you got anything stronger...?) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

How about this, some in the tea and It'll help you nod off! Which I need to do a little of even though it is morning! Ah Johhny Walker, I miss him! Have not seen him around recently! <sigh>. I'll have to check that e-mail address, it was the one you gave me in May when you wanted to vent something about the 'peanut gallery', I think it was. Or ping me on my one, I haven't used that exact one since December '09 but I mailed myself to check so apparently it is still working. --220.101 (talk) -01:13, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, getting closer! ;) In that case, I've probably got it, I'll have to more closely examine the contents of my inbox in the morning (it's currently full of "I tried to advertise on WP and you deleted it" type crap!). While I'm thinking about it, why don't you set up an account, use it for a little while and if you don't think much to it, you can just go back to being 220.101....? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

← Waddaya want, Black Label? or how about some: ? Account? Hmm,...thinking. --220.101 (talk) -02:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I've got a 15 year old bottle of single malt knocking around somewhere, but it's a bit late to be cracking open expensive whisky now! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeh, Keep the cheap(er) stuff for 'sleep enhancement' . Tis' late so I'll let you go for now. By the way Jimbo certainly ain't God, cause I think God works for Jimbo! --220.101 (talk) -02:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I've no problem with the guy, but the way some people talk about him, if you didn't know better, you'd think they were talking about some mystical deity. As far as I'm concerned, he's just another editor for all intents and purposes. Let me know what conclusion you come to about an account, but for now, I need sleep ;). Even admins need to sleep! Sometimes. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Yet another ban proposal

That was not the most drama-reducing proposal, and probably didn't help a whole lot...

I'm not quite at the "that's troutable" level on this, but it would help if admins didn't do things that increase drama.

Thanks. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:08, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Alas, you're probably right. Not that I have anything at al against those three editors but I'm just so sick of seeing them carry on such pathetic arguments in any forum they can find! Ah well, I probably just need sleep! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:31, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of German Ministers-Presidents by longevity

I found your closure of this AfD as keep, without any explanation of your rationale, surprising. Purely numerically there were three editors for delete and three for keep, but two of the keep rationales were based simply on WP:WAX so should carry little weight. Whilst it's a judgment call, I certainly don't see a "keep" result there; I appreciate that you did, but its not so obvious it needed no explanation. The AfD also cited Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_German_Federal_Ministers_by_longevity which itself cites two other AfDs - all of which are near-identical and resulted in delete and again, your reasoning for coming to a different conclusion would have been appreciated. I42 (talk) 08:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Frankly all the arguments made in that AfD were pretty weak. Personally, if I'd opined, I would have gone woith a delete !vote, but analysing the discussion as it is, nobody had commented in over a week so, after the nom, we have, in order:

• WP:OTHERCRAP
• "Jut not encyclopaedic"
• The only !voter to actually provide a rationale for their opinion
• "Just not encyclopaedic"
• and finally, another othercrap argument

Given that the only strong, or even valid, argument besides the nomination was a keep !vote, I closed it as keep, but you may consider this leave to re-nominate in a few weeks when hopefully the discussion will attract more participation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I think that ignores the primary rationale that the two categorisations are unrelated, ie fails WP:NOTDIR #6 (Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations). I think the article can be made encyclopedic (List of German Chancellors by longevity, for example, includes non-indiscriminate information such as age at inauguration in addition to age at death) so I will see if it can be developed before renominating for deletion. I42 (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ever reviewed a GA?

(pretend it's an ad) Well now you can by reviewing the article Ersatz Monarch class battleship! Just follow the Good Article Criteria and tell me of any issues! But wait there's more, act now and you'll get a free.....well I've got nothing just please review this thing for me. I need this for the WikiCup as Casliber is catching up to me and this article has been awaiting a GA review since mid May.--White Shadows 16:41, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

PS: Can you please delete the redirected page German Type IXA submarine so I can move my sandbox article User:White Shadows/German Type IXB submarine to that page? Thanks.--White Shadows 16:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'll have a look later on (and yes, about 50 in response to the title!) ;). You sure you've got the right link there, that's not a redirect... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I think you meant IXB, so that's where I've stuck it (I didn't leave redirect behind, but I figured you'd only have me delete it under U1 later). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks I did mean IXB :) As for the review, go for it!--White Shadows 17:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

I appreciate that. Dare I reveal my ignorance by asking what happens next? Obviously, I have a slight agenda here, in that I'm really asking "will the userfication happen", rather than "talk me through the nitty-gritty of processes that I should already know about"...!

Cheers, TFOWR 18:59, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I've no issue with userfication as long as the creator is aware that WP isn't a web host and it may be MfD'd if it just sits there indefinitely. As for the nitty-gritty, if the article hadn't been deleted, I'd just move it to an appropriate place, unticking the "leave a redirect behind" box that admins get. Since it's been deleted, I'll restore it first, then do exactly the same. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

No worries. I can move to their userspace if you let me know when I can. If I'd been on the ball I'd have done that prior to posting at ANI... Regardless, I'll let them know about what's required. Ta! 19:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

But you can't move without a redirect (yet!) so you would have had to have tagged the redirect for speedy, meanwhile the AfD says it was deleted but it's a bluelink. Basically, it's esier if you're an admin! I've stuck it at User:Rohedin/Newgrounds Linux. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:10, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've volunteered myself for any further questions. I'm a Linux person, so I see the motivation, but I'm not convinced it's a Linux distribution that meets WP:N yet. TFOWR 19:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Qassim Afzal

I have serious concerns about your AfD close. In particular:

• This site (which had most sources, but not all) doesn't look like a "local newspaper". Neither this, for example.
• Even if they were, I have never heard consensus that local news are not considered RS.
• The fact that other sources don't verify "basic biographic information" seems irrelevant in face of WP:GNG and similar guidelines -we can simply avoid to give such information and stick to what is effectively in sources (if I am wrong, please link the appropriate guideline).

In the light of above (and of your "reluctance" mentioned in the close statement), can I hope in a reconsideration of the close? Thanks! --Cyclopia 20:25, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, if you genuinely have "serious concerns", then I suggest you raise them at WP:DRV, but if you're just expressing a strongly held opinion, I'll take it as that. As I recall, neither of the sources above were in the article (but I'll check the deleted content in a minute). Local news sources can be RS, but they don't do a lot for establishing notability- for example, coverage in the Lincolnshire Echo would do less for notability than coverage in, say, The Guardian (just example). My reluctance in closing it that way was that I felt it could have gone the other way if a few more people had made strong keep arguments and actually improved the article and its sourcing. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:45, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking about DRV from the start, in fact. :) About "improving the article", well, it's not the status of the article that counts, but the subject itself (WP:ATD). In fact, there is the opposite problem: people (including myself) are often wary of touching AfD'ed articles because they feel their work would be wasted if it closes as delete anyway. So, better to bring the arguments and sources before and then waiting a decision. --Cyclopia 23:15, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Well I have to say that, in borderline cases, a few edits to improve the sourcing can make all the difference. If you'd like, I can userfy it for you to work on and you can move it back into the mainspace after it's been sourced and there's been a reasonable "grace period" since the AfD... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:21, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Good idea, please do! How much time would you advice to wait (in any case it won't be less than a month due to real life stuff)? --Cyclopia 14:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

A month seems reasonable. I'll sort that out for you now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:48, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It's now at User:Cyclopia/Qassim Afzal. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Nadal Australian Open 2009 2.jpg

Hello! Please note that when cropping an image for the main page, it should be uploaded under a different filename (with "cropped" appended) to preserve the original file's appearance within articles. (Instead of the {{c-uploaded}} tag, the {{m-cropped}} template is used). Thank you! —David Levy 20:27, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. I forgot when I was cropping that file- I was in a hurry! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 22:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

To present/onward

I finally got around to starting a discussion about the date range issue, and I'm curious as to what the responses will be. If you're interested in chiming in or simply following along, the discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#.22.E2.80.93present.22_in_article_body – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 23:02, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm equally curious, but I don;t have much to add, so I'm just watching. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Friendly heads up.

So I guess 4chan is mad at you or something. Heads up, you'll probably be getting a lot of spam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.210.154 (talk) 23:20, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Re:In case you're not watching it

—MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 00:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

—MC10 (T•C•GB•L) 00:51, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Robots.txt

re: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=MediaWiki%3ARobots.txt&action=historysubmit&diff=365898941&oldid=353973694

You need to close the source tag, too; the /pre is still at the bottom ;) Jack Merridew 03:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry- you know I'm useless with markup! ;) Is that better? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Ya. Tags should be balanced. The same rule applies to some templates, too; see here (scroll to the end of the diff past a lot of miscellaneous nits). This pair of templates should travel as a pair. The core issue with all the stuff re markup and colors is that most users have no clue about markup. But some are just full of opinion, anyway. They need to see Equus. Cheers, Jack Merridew 03:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, it's the same with being an admin- plenty of armchair generals with no appreciation for the difficulties of the job! That's Misplaced Pages (and life in general) for you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Custom welcome page spread by Diego Grez onto ~1000 user pages

Hi Mitchell,

RE:Diego Grez

I'm not sure that this custom welcome page spread by Diego Grez onto ~1000 user pages is such a good idea. It's really unorthodox. And it also spreads following images:

• Potential privacy/privacy of a minor issues: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Bullying_Irfe.jpg ~ 1000 pages
• Likely without permission: Special:WhatLinksHere/File:My_Grandfather_Photo_from_January_17.JPG ~1000 pages
• ...

I've also seen IP users finding this welcome page downright offensive. Please consider replacing it with a regular welcome page.

--Dc987 (talk) 05:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Erm, dDiego hasn't edited a user talk page besides mine and his (and one to Xeno's) since early January... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Harassment again at my page

Hello Mitch, as you told me before and I understand that you could help to semi-protect my talk page (could use the indef-SPP right now, thanks!), but what about this harassment? Looks awfully like JA or his clone operating under an ANON IP, which is their usual MO. Anyway, I'm kind of indifferent to their nonsensical behaviour these days, meaning that I'm mildly irritated but I'm not angry at a mentally disturbed soul. Regards. --Dave 09:29, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I've semi'd your talk page for another 6 months. I wouldn't worry too much- they seem to have new-found fascination with me after I used RevDel on the edit summaries from the latest round of Grawp page moves. Just ignore them and they'll get bored. Eventually. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

• Many thanks for the little help. Going through the records, I must say that I've noticed about the current trend of disturbances (leading to the various RevDels all over WP) that has been going on for the last 2 weeks, their particular interest seems to be focused on the several Admins and editors who had crossed their path, you being one of them. But like you've mentioned, they will get bored by it, eventually. --Dave 13:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

HighKing

Perhaps you could also delete all his unfounded accusations. By the way, I posted NO personal information about him; I made a point of not doing so by leaving out vital elements. I tried to keep the whole issue confidential but he ws having none of it. Mister Flash (talk) 13:30, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

In the interests of fairness, and because HK obviously feels strongly about it, I should point out that you've only done half a job - two revisions of minor edits remain, therefore keeping the whole text. However, please pay attention to the background here, and also note that I HAVE NOT OUTED HIM, NOR DID I INTEND TO. I have not divulged ANY information that could lead anyone to his identity. He insisted on noting the fact that I'd sent him an email which he descibed as threatening. Not to put too finer point on it, he was asking for it to some extent. Maybe you could remove a whole string of related revisions, then we might get back on the stright and narrow. Mister Flash (talk) 13:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Those two revisions shouldn't contain the information because the first had been deleted, but I've deleted them just in case. You posted an IP address and a location- regardless of your intent, that kind of information, unless specifically given by the subject, is private and has no place being posted on one of the most visible noticeboards on the wiki. As for the rest, I've no interest in what's going on between you and HK and that belongs on ANI, not here. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

click year ahead

You are obviously a few 'click years' ahead of me in wikipedia. You make an edit, at... 13:22 (Deletion log)‎... I cannot fathom its effect but hope you can answer for the simple reason that I am somehow linked to that edit and I try to understand what happens in wikipedia now and then. Thanks! Politis (talk) 14:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a diff or a page name so I know which action you're referring to? I had a look through my deletion log and couldn't find anything in my last 200 deletions with that timestamp, but if it was in the deletion log it was either a revision deletion (which removes an edit or an edit summary from the page history) or a page deletion (what it says- first it's there, then it's not). hope that helps. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:26, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

In case you are at the receiving end of lots of daft questions, thanks! This is what appeared on my watchlist and I had never seen it before: 14:07 (Deletion log)‎ . . . Politis (talk) 15:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, that means something was deleted, but without a diff or a title, I couldn't tell you what or why. Most of my deletions are spam or expired proposed deletions, though close the odd AfD and zap a few attack pages and copyright violations. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Datastat

He created a similar article on the Visa policy of Ukraine. I nominated for a speedy on the grounds of no content, but then had second thoughts. Can you take a look? Thanks. ScottyBerg (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, it doesn't qualify for speedy, but I'd suggest an AfD might be in order. I mass-deleted a number of his contributions due to copyright problems a few weeks ago. At least this one isn't a coyvio, so it might be worth just leaving it for a while and seeing what happens- it's not harming anyone. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's sort of informative. I think I'll just leave it be. ScottyBerg (talk) 16:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

History merge needed

I would like 2010 Pennsylvania 500 and 2010 Sunoco Red Cross Pennsylvania 500 histmerged. I created the latter a few minutes ago when I realized the former existed. The latter has the correct title and is more up-to-date. Thanks. ~NerdyScienceDude (✉ • ✐) 15:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done, you can just use {{db-histmerge}} in future and leave a note explaining whats up on the talk page. --Taelus (Talk) 15:45, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Taelus :). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Reid Stowe Biography

Hello HJ Mitchell. I've suggested you extend the protection of this article indefinitely as the edit wars are likely to reopen as soon as protection is dropped, and that the article will suffer from even more imbalance once those wars escalate and the article is relocked. I believe that the article should continue to be managed through consensus. Thanks. Regatta dog (talk) 15:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't protect the article and my only involvement was to answer an {{editprotected}} request while patrolling CAT:PER. You might like to contact Tcncv (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:08, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Regatta dog (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

AfDs

Isn't it about time that there was a rule in place saying that editors who nominate an article for deletion should present their case in the nomination and the leave the AfD alone for the closing admin to decide after weighing up all the arguments presented in favour of deletion and in favour of retention? This being instead of keep chipping away at every editor who does not share the nominator's POV (I'll give you one guess as to which AfD discussion and which editor I mean). Mjroots (talk) 16:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, as someone who closes the odd AfD, I prefer it if the nominator makes their case and just shuts up, but I don't have a problem with them replying civilly to one or two of the keep !voters (I'm guilty of it myself occasionally). Badgering gets on my nerves, but I tend to ignore bickering when I close unless someone actually has a valid point. I suppose my thoughts on running up and down a thread bombarding those who disagree with you is documented in the AN thread I started. I've seen much worse AfDs, though. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I tried to resist the urge, honestly! Mjroots (talk) 17:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It's not worth it. You could get more arguing than an FAC in, but almost none of it will affect the close. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

(best Andy Pipkin voice) Yeah, I know! Best way to counter an AfD like this is to keep improving the article. Mjroots (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Lol! That's a good approach- all too often, people !vote keep in AfD citing "lots of sources" but don't even edit the article, then they're surprised when the AfD is closed as delete! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Avril Lavigne: The final push

Hi HJ, I don't mean to be insistent, but I had completed your GA suggestions two nights ago. I'd love to just get this thing a final push and have it done after all these months. If you still think there are issues, don't hesitate to let me know (or fail the damn thing lol). Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 18:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll be on it later this evening. I need to eat! ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate it, see you then! :D – Kerαunoςcopia_galaxies 19:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Text

Is this the text that needed to be removed? I can't see where it was re-added. Dreadstar ☥ 20:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

That was indeed the text intended to be removed- I thought I'd deleted that... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:41, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

It certainly looks like you deleted it, but for some reason...it's still there. Maybe somebody copied it or changed it when they did a later edit...but I couldn't find where that might have happened. Dreadstar ☥ 20:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I made another redaction and it's not appearing in the current version. Hopefully that's it sorted. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:04, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Take 2 successfully removed the visibility fo the text from my edit, but it's still in the history before I removed it. Very strange, must be some glitch with that particular function. The content doesn't appear on before the first redaction, then suddenly appears on the page the next edit after the redaction - but that edit didn't add it. Maybe I'll email an oversight admin to take a look and see what happened.. Dreadstar ☥ 21:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. They're more knowledgeable with RevDel than we humble admins. At least it's out of the current version and not easily accessible, though. Weird. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Apparently they are...

. Whoops. You should ahve seen the page BEFORE I tried to fix it, though! Courcelles (talk) 22:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

I know. It popped up on my watchlist. It's really not that difficult! I've done it at least twice and "un-transcluded" a fair few SNOW closes and my markup skills are appalling. How can you be an admin if you can't copy and paste 2 lines of code? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:24, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I screwed it up because I was trying to fix everything in that RFA

That it was broken, though, is hard to understand. Further, not answering the questions first killed the chances that RFA had, IMO (So does letting an editor with under 300 edits nominate you...) Courcelles (talk) 22:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunate but true. I've bumped into the nominator and nominee a few times and both are good editors but a cack-handed transclusion of an incomplete RfA is unimpressive. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Not trying to influence your opinion at all, but I personally think it is harsh to hold the nominators mistake against the nominee. But that said, I have not yet had time to analyse the candidate, so perhaps you know them already. Just felt I should comment though. :) --Taelus (Talk) 22:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

If I was a 'crat, I'd remove the RFA, remove all the votes, and tell the candidate to re-transclude it when ready... but I'm not sure how that would go over at this point. Courcelles (talk) 22:37, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

If I were feeling extremely bold, I'd delete the whole thing and tell him to try again when he's ready, but I've manged to go for a few days without being accused of admin abuse and I'm quite enjoying it! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:40, 7 June 2010 (UTC)