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The Matharus predominatly made up of Sikh Sirdars mainly work in the Trades. Most of them in the carpentry and metalwork areas. Known for their strength and skill in working inate objects to pieces of art.

Matharus are also have profession as farming & many of them are Landlords & Zamindars doing farming on large scale these days in Punjab,they also called as Jatts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.7.132.71 (talk) 09:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Very odd content

Hi user named Sikh-history

"Scholars such as H. A. Rose , believe that they are descended from the Sakas, the Kushans and the Huns."

Where is the specific reference page in your citation  ??

There is no separate listing of Matharu in any of the three volumes of A H Rose.

On page 457 volume III under Tarkhan - Matharia are listed and not Matharu , .
there is absolutely no mention of descent of anyone Matharu , or Tarkhan from Sakas , or Kushan or Huns

If there is a page that says as you quote ….please mention it .

  • I also find strangely that anonymous ids seem to be making very simillar disingenuous content to yours on many pages and categories .

I hope you will provide the specific reference page for the citation you have provided .Otherwise your repeated misquotes on various articles is getting really odd .
Intothefire (talk) 18:52, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

and your WP:Stalking, WP:Lawyering and lack of WP:Assume Good Faith is getting rather tiresome. Thanks--Sikh-History 08:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Response 1 from Intothefire to the user named Sikh History
  • But why dont you provide a specific page number from a book you cite ?? ...instead of evasively quoting rules to me .
  • Apparently we simply happen to be interested in common topics ...and I am repeatedly finding insertions of content with odd/misuse of incomplete citations by you on various pages .
  • You are an editor , and it would be befitting an editor to not insert unreferenced , or phony citations and content as you have done blatantly also for example on the Khatri page which I requested you to clarify on the Khatri Talk page . Your respone there as well "Will take a look when I get a chance" was at best facetious .I could provide other examples as well .
  • It is safe to assume then that your inability to provide a proper page no and volume number is proof of a fake citation and content once again.
Intothefire (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the reference to H. A. Rose was originally added by an anon editor Special:Contributions/210.7.132.71 in November 2007, as part of a long series of edits. Although I have not found copy of Rose's original work, I have also since reinstated this citation in good faith when it has been deleted from this article without explanation. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Fayenatic thanks for the intervention but,Intothefire's WP:Stalking, WP:Lawyering and lack of WP:Assume Good Faith is getting tiresome. Thanks anyway.--Sikh-History 19:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I haven't checked any previous contributions by either of you. Intothefire's tone above is rude and fails WP:AGF. However, on this occasion he appears to be correct on the point of fact. I just looked up H. A. Rose's book at Google Books and can't find Matharu or Matharoo in Volume 1 or in volume 3 L-Z. So it seems that you and I have both been reinstating it in good faith but in error. - Fayenatic (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh well, such is the life of an Editor, unfortunately, WP:AGF means sometimes we don't delve more deeply into the references. Pk Mohanty's book may be of value here. Thanks--Sikh-History 09:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

More bizzare content by the user named Sikh-History

  • On 2 November 2010 Sikh-history adds another odd unreferenced paragraph constructed of of unrelated facts juxtaposed to seem reasonable.
    Now lets look at the paragraph in question The Matharu clans of West Punjab claim Jadaun (also spelt Jadon) ancestry from Rajputs. They are found in Sialkot, Narowal, Gujranwala, Hoshiarpur, Jalandhar and Patiala districts. In Hindu culture, the Jadaun are a clan (gotra) of Chandravanshi (Yaduvanshi) Rajputs found in North India and Pakistan .
a) An entire unreferenced para contributed by an editor ??
b) The link shows clans of West Punjab but links to page Jat Muslim ??? .....patently misleading ...!!! are there only Muslim Jats among the clans of West Punjab ?? Ludicrous !
c) Matharu is listed on the Jat Muslim Page ....but unreferenced ??
d) According to which verifiable source do Matharu claim Jadaun ancestory ?? another unreferenced insertion .
e) The Jadaun page has no listing of Matharu ?? it has a listing of Mathura .??? completely unrelated ??
f) Its another matter that the Jadaun page was set up after deleting referenced information from the article Jadoon ...see the talk page Talk Jadoon

And then the user called Sikh-History ostensibly reinstates
Matharus also have historical connection with Nanda and are also mentioned Lions of Punjab.

a) on this Nanda page ....which is full of uncited and crazy content ....NANDA IS MENTIONED ....again unreferenced .???
b) But the user called Sikh History has been contributing to this page itself and in edit its of 4 December 2009 Sikh-history the user called Sikh History presumably reinstates and inserts various unreferenced information about Nanda.
c) More importantly a Notorious vandal user called Msnanda along with many other anonymous ids have been instating vandal information simmilar to what user Sikh history has been putting here.

What am getting at is that the confusing informations being put in on this page by a user called Sikh History is only one instance of a very large number of articles having confusing unreferenced information inserted by many ids icluding the user Sikh History whoi is now an editor . Every time I point out a glaring Inconsistency , it either feigns oversight or starts throwing wiki rules . Its about time that this user was investigated for sock and meat puppetry . Intothefire (talk) 07:14, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

  1. A Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North-West Provinces, compiled by H. A. Rose
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